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database market share 2003

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040526/tech_...etshare_1.html

Interesting to see that database sales for windows is more than
Unix.
Nov 12 '05
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Serge Rielau allegedly said,on my timestamp of 9/06/2004 11:49 PM:
One can pick on the fact that the author didn't fully qualify "DB2 UDB"
to "DB2 UDB for Linux Unix and Windows".
We discussed this "legacy" problem of the UDB qualifier in earlier posts
in this thread. UDB is unfortunately commonly used similarly to "SQL".
"SQL" means MS SQL Server, UDB means DB2 UDB for Linux Unix and Windows.
The whole thing could be dropped if IBM used the terms it has always used:
AS400 SQL, mainframe DB2 and UDB for the rest.
This idea that "everything is DB2" but in fact isn't is just
confusing, open to mis-interpretation and a dirt easy target.
Whoever came up with this at IBM should be summarily shot...
Mark over a beer what that feature means we settled for "marketing
doesn't know better".


Yup, I'd go along with that.

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Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #161
Noons wrote:
.... In a way the Java generation has it easy: they hardly ever need
to bother with this crap...


Except that using a common JDK level on any range of operating systems
is almost impossible - if you're 32- and 64-bit, you end up supporting
JDK 1.3.n in some places and 1.4.0 and 1.4.1+ in others.

Nov 12 '05 #162
Blair Adamache allegedly said,on my timestamp of 10/06/2004 12:29 AM:

Except that using a common JDK level on any range of operating systems
is almost impossible - if you're 32- and 64-bit, you end up supporting
JDK 1.3.n in some places and 1.4.0 and 1.4.1+ in others.


Oh no! I forgot about that one, it's gonna be fun and
games to move everything to 64: gonna take years.
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Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #163
Noons wrote:
The whole thing could be dropped if IBM used the terms it has always used:
AS400 SQL, mainframe DB2 and UDB for the rest.
This idea that "everything is DB2" but in fact isn't is just
confusing, open to mis-interpretation and a dirt easy target.
Whoever came up with this at IBM should be summarily shot...

I disagree. Everyone equates Oracle (no qualifier) with the Relational
database, yet the same name is used for Apps, and of course the mobile
database offering.
IMHO the problem is that DB2 "for the rest of us" never got a clean name
that kept steady for several releases.
The lastest crime is "for Muliplatforms" which sounds like Milla
Jovovich in the "5. Element" and is largely ignored.
And of course there is UWO, LUW, "distribute d platforms", "common
server", ...
We had similar problems with "SQL Procedural Langage" (SQL PL) which
isn't a language at all, really.. It's just SQL.
Things need short memorisable names, the market demands it, and if there
is none chaos prevails.
It's an IBM blindspot.

Cheers
Serge
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Serge Rielau
DB2 SQL Compiler Development
IBM Toronto Lab
Nov 12 '05 #164
You can't gather facts by searching on google, looking at the first two
lines, and reaching a conclusion. It's a good way to stuff one's head
with assumptions and hyperbole, but you have to read the links you find
to start learning anything. Good God, they must teach research
methodologies at the University of Washington, right?

And please let everyone refrain from searches like "Blair
Adamache"+wanke r or the same for Daniel, Serge or Nuno.

Daniel Morgan wrote:
I just went to google and put in the following as my seach criterion:

"DB2" AND "Single code base"

You might want to do the same.

The first link returned was:
www-1.ibm.com/....
Top of the next page was:
www.db2mag.com/ story/....
And Oracle ... at otn.oracle.com has White Papers
detailing where that claim has been made.

I think the claim has been made numerous times. And like so much
marketing hyperbole is one that would best be apologized for.


Nov 12 '05 #165
Actually, Oracle does a lousy job of extesibility.
Informix has it done right, however, it took them quite some time in
getting Stonebraker's stuff morphed in to IDS.

Its a pitty cause that's what helped cause Phil's downfall. He saw the
vision, yet no one understood how to sell/market it and how to integrate
it in to the existing platform.

I worked with Oracle 8i. Their "object relational" approach was garbage
then and I seriously doubt things have changed much.
Serge Rielau wrote:
Daniel Morgan wrote:
Serge Rielau wrote:
Even if extenders would need to be changed (which I don't know) when
going against DB2 AS/400 or DB2 z/Series it would still be irrelevant
since Oracle cartridges are effectively a no show on these platforms.

Cheers
Serge


Oracle 'cartridges'? How long as it been since you've looked at Oracle?

Well, everyone knows what I meant, right? What is the name du jour?
Package?


Nov 12 '05 #166
"SQL" means MS SQL Server
Something I'm sure MS are more than happy with.
UDB means DB2 UDB for Linux Unix and Windows.


This I just don't buy. You say this, but the IBM web site refers to
DB2 Universal Database for .... when referring to all three code bases.

And you have documents entitled "DB2 UDB Family On Common Ground".

And these documents say things like "In February of 1999, IBM® announced
DB2® Universal Database for iSeries (DB2 UDB for iSeries), ..."

Searching for all the following keywords on the IBM website returns vast
numbers of hits
DB2 UDB iSeries - 8,691 hits
DB2 UDB OS/390 - 8,095 hits
Note that the total nbr of hits for DB2 UDB is only 56,445
This is not accidental or even the result of a legacy. I firmly believe
that somebody somewhere at IBM is more than happy that some people read
UDB and mistakenly believe that it's all the same product.

Otherwise all this stuff would have been corrected by now, right ?

Nov 12 '05 #167
Blair Adamache allegedly said,on my timestamp of 10/06/2004 1:15 AM:

And please let everyone refrain from searches like "Blair
Adamache"+wanke r or the same for Daniel, Serge or Nuno.


Are you kidding? Been done before. In much more serious places
than this....

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Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #168
Serge Rielau allegedly said,on my timestamp of 10/06/2004 1:02 AM:
I disagree. Everyone equates Oracle (no qualifier) with the Relational
database, yet the same name is used for Apps, and of course the mobile
database offering.
and quite wrongly, IMHO. Been one of my old grudges with Oracle,
as a matter of fact. It's as stupid as it gets and only confuses people.
Let's not go into what it does to the heads of competition's marketeers.
(the expression "major meltdown" springs to mind...)

The names were originally Oracle Financials for the apps and Oracle RDBMS
for the database. Which would equate to IBM "this" or IBM "that", given
that Oracle is the name of the company. NOT the name of the product.
Somewhere in the last 12 years it all became mixed up, with dire
consequences for intelligible conversation.
The lastest crime is "for Muliplatforms" which sounds like Milla
Jovovich in the "5. Element" and is largely ignored.
Et tu, Brutus? ;)
We had similar problems with "SQL Procedural Langage" (SQL PL) which
isn't a language at all, really.. It's just SQL.
Yeah, that sounded always like a major twist of PL/SQL... :)
I never understood why not just call it what it is: ANSI SQL.
After all, IBM always called Cobol as ANSI Cobol...
Things need short memorisable names, the market demands it, and if there
is none chaos prevails.
It's an IBM blindspot.


Not just IBM...

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Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #169
Mark Townsend wrote:
"SQL" means MS SQL Server

Something I'm sure MS are more than happy with.
UDB means DB2 UDB for Linux Unix and Windows.

This I just don't buy. You say this, but the IBM web site refers to
DB2 Universal Database for .... when referring to all three code bases.

And you have documents entitled "DB2 UDB Family On Common Ground".

And these documents say things like "In February of 1999, IBM® announced
DB2® Universal Database for iSeries (DB2 UDB for iSeries), ..."

Searching for all the following keywords on the IBM website returns vast
numbers of hits
DB2 UDB iSeries - 8,691 hits
DB2 UDB OS/390 - 8,095 hits
Note that the total nbr of hits for DB2 UDB is only 56,445
This is not accidental or even the result of a legacy. I firmly believe
that somebody somewhere at IBM is more than happy that some people read
UDB and mistakenly believe that it's all the same product.

Otherwise all this stuff would have been corrected by now, right ?

Mark, I can't climb into other peoples minds,and I won't even try that
with executives.
But if DB2 UDB is best known on the Linux, Windows and Unix platform and
has that mindshare -
And Oracle is best known for databases, don't you think IBM executives
are as happy as Oracle to implicitly leverage brand-image and carry it over?
As you point out yourself, IBM's message there is inconsistent. It's not
IMHO ignoring the fact that they are different bases _systematically _
which is what is alleged.
I've never encountered having an publication of mine being polished to
exclude the platform identifier. I have seen teh reverse a lot.
If one submitts an article to IDUG or DBM Tech it is _mandatory_ to
clarify the applicability in the title if a talk is not cross-platform.

Cheers
Serge
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Serge Rielau
DB2 SQL Compiler Development
IBM Toronto Lab
Nov 12 '05 #170

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