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database market share 2003

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040526/tech_...etshare_1.html

Interesting to see that database sales for windows is more than
Unix.
Nov 12 '05
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nobody wrote:
Its pathetic that you can't write good code. ;-)
It's pathetic that you top post. ;-)
If you can grok C++, then you should be able to write thread safe C code
and then use them.
I wrote C code for 25 years or so (since early 1970s). I have not needed
to write thread-safe code, since I find that Linux creates and destroys
processes cheaply enough that I just run multiple processes instead of
threads. If I need to share memory, I do so explicitly.
And actually if you're wroting in C++ then you need
to have your head examined. But thats a whole different flame war. ;-)
And if you think _wroting_ is an English word, you need to spend time in a
re-education camp.
This is 2004, and it is pretty boring to engage in that tired old flame war.
But I bet you have trouble with JDBC and how J2EE tries to use the
database only as a means to make objects persistent. ;-)

But hey what do I know? ;-)
I"m just an old school programmer.

Bah! I am an older school programmer thay you, probably. I have programmed
in three different assemblers for the IBM 704 alone, not counting NY-AP1.

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Nov 12 '05 #151
nobody <no****@devnull .org> wrote in message news:<40******* *******@devnull .org>...
Sigh.

I'll wager that you've never left the glass house. Let me guess, you
think a PC is best to be used for 3270 emulation?


Funny, that's what I see in numerous big-box retail stores (Office
Depot, among others). Or sad.

jg
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Nov 12 '05 #152
Jean-David Beyer wrote:
nobody wrote:
Its pathetic that you can't write good code. ;-)


It's pathetic that you top post. ;-)

If you can grok C++, then you should be able to write thread safe C
code and then use them.


Well, this flame war was unexpected.

Do people still disagree that rkuserthingy is a dickhead for starting this
thing?
Nov 12 '05 #153
Serge Rielau wrote:
Even if extenders would need to be changed (which I don't know) when
going against DB2 AS/400 or DB2 z/Series it would still be irrelevant
since Oracle cartridges are effectively a no show on these platforms.

Cheers
Serge


Oracle 'cartridges'? How long as it been since you've looked at Oracle?

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Nov 12 '05 #154
Serge Rielau wrote:
Noons wrote:
What was stated here many times by IBM people was that the
code base was the same. Unqualified. Period. Whereas
Oracle's wasn't. About as much sense as the rest of
IBM's policies...


Noons, can you point us to a google-link where this claim was made. I'm
following these newsgroups since about 6 years and I have never seen
such a claim.

Cheers
Serge


I just went to google and put in the following as my seach criterion:

"DB2" AND "Single code base"

You might want to do the same.

The first link returned was:
www-1.ibm.com/....
Top of the next page was:
www.db2mag.com/ story/....
And Oracle ... at otn.oracle.com has White Papers
detailing where that claim has been made.

I think the claim has been made numerous times. And like so much
marketing hyperbole is one that would best be apologized for.
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Nov 12 '05 #155
Daniel Morgan allegedly said,on my timestamp of 9/06/2004 3:30 PM:


I think the claim has been made numerous times. And like so much
marketing hyperbole is one that would best be apologized for.


Yeah, but let's be fair: Serge was talking about a specific thread
in the newsgroups where I and a few IBMers got into a bunfight
for a while. Pity it is not complete in google. Blair has promised
to send me his posts so I can try to make sense of what was
said back then by so many of us.

We all know marketeers were AWOL the day God was handing out
intelligence. I think it goes for all sides equally: Oracle
has come out with some doozies over the years. Let's not mention
the other m$ob...

The whole single code base thing is quite bogus, IMHO. Just
exactly when is a product single code base? I mean, in my time
I've written a fair amount of #define and #ifdef pairs to try
and make things work properly everywhere, and that was JUST in the
UNIX environment. You should have seen some of my DOS/VSE Assembler
macros! I wouldn't recommend that type of coding to anyone, but
it had to be done to get over the problems way back then.

In a way the Java generation has it easy: they hardly ever need
to bother with this crap. On the other hand they have to contend
with J2EE and the lesser said about that, the better...

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Nov 12 '05 #156
And I suppose that Oracle has no cross to bear in this area?

Larry Edelstein

Daniel Morgan wrote:
Serge Rielau wrote:
Noons wrote:
What was stated here many times by IBM people was that the
code base was the same. Unqualified. Period. Whereas
Oracle's wasn't. About as much sense as the rest of
IBM's policies...

Noons, can you point us to a google-link where this claim was made.
I'm following these newsgroups since about 6 years and I have never
seen such a claim.

Cheers
Serge

I just went to google and put in the following as my seach criterion:

"DB2" AND "Single code base"

You might want to do the same.

The first link returned was:
www-1.ibm.com/....
Top of the next page was:
www.db2mag.com/ story/....
And Oracle ... at otn.oracle.com has White Papers
detailing where that claim has been made.

I think the claim has been made numerous times. And like so much
marketing hyperbole is one that would best be apologized for.


Nov 12 '05 #157
Noons wrote (in part):
The whole single code base thing is quite bogus, IMHO. Just exactly
when is a product single code base? I mean, in my time I've written a
fair amount of #define and #ifdef pairs to try and make things work
properly everywhere, and that was JUST in the UNIX environment. You
should have seen some of my DOS/VSE Assembler macros! I wouldn't
recommend that type of coding to anyone, but it had to be done to get
over the problems way back then.

I used to have to write portable (among UNIX systems) code and as the
number of systems went up, the number of #ifdef #endif pairs went up as
well, to the point that code became unreadable (even though it worked).
Since we used makefiles anyway, we changed things around so that the
differences were mainly in header files instead of the #ifdef #endif
pairs. And the makefiles ensured the correct header files were included.

The stuff I was working with was related to assembly-level optimizers, so
that was not as easily done. In that case, the makefile determined from
the target what source files to use as the code for an AT&T 32100 chipset
differed too much from an Intel 80386 from a Motorola 68030 from a SPARC
from a MIPS ...: you just could not use the same assembly level optimizer
for each. But there was a lot of common stuff even so.
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Nov 12 '05 #158
You mean this:
http://www-1.ibm.com/industries/fina...270311103.html
"* Multiple operating systems, running on IBM and non-IBM hardware
* A single code base to deliver a consistent set of functionality
from small single CPU systems, to SMP, to clusters of either"

That statement is correct.

One can pick on the fact that the author didn't fully qualify "DB2 UDB"
to "DB2 UDB for Linux Unix and Windows".
We discussed this "legacy" problem of the UDB qualifier in earlier posts
in this thread. UDB is unfortunately commonly used similarly to "SQL".
"SQL" means MS SQL Server, UDB means DB2 UDB for Linux Unix and Windows.

I recall a debate with Mark on an Oracle claim alleging that "inline
procedural language" wasn't new and Oracle has it. After explaining to
Mark over a beer what that feature means we settled for "marketing
doesn't know better".
Not every fine slip is malicious.

Cheers
Serge
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DB2 SQL Compiler Development
IBM Toronto Lab
Nov 12 '05 #159
Daniel Morgan wrote:
Serge Rielau wrote:
Even if extenders would need to be changed (which I don't know) when
going against DB2 AS/400 or DB2 z/Series it would still be irrelevant
since Oracle cartridges are effectively a no show on these platforms.

Cheers
Serge

Oracle 'cartridges'? How long as it been since you've looked at Oracle?

Well, everyone knows what I meant, right? What is the name du jour? Package?

--
Serge Rielau
DB2 SQL Compiler Development
IBM Toronto Lab
Nov 12 '05 #160

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