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database market share 2003

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040526/tech_...etshare_1.html

Interesting to see that database sales for windows is more than
Unix.
Nov 12 '05
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I have NEVER said that DB2 was the same code base on zOS (MVS) as it is
on Linux/UNIX/Windows. I have NEVER said that DB2 is the same code base
on zOS, VM and AS/400. I am willing to send you all newsgroup postings I
made in 2001 if you feel a need to verify (as long as you promise to use
them for nothing else).

Noons wrote:
Serge Rielau allegedly said,on my timestamp of 7/06/2004 10:42 PM:

Noons, can you point us to a google-link where this claim was made.
I'm following these newsgroups since about 6 years and I have never
seen such a claim.

I think it was one of Blair's claims for DB2 that started it.
Can't find the original post, it's not in google anymore
although many of my replies are. Somewhere around this time
of the year, 2001. It's the marketing "season" anyways.


Nov 12 '05 #131
Noons wrote:
Serge Rielau allegedly said,on my timestamp of 7/06/2004 10:42 PM:

Noons, can you point us to a google-link where this claim was made.
I'm following these newsgroups since about 6 years and I have never
seen such a claim.

I think it was one of Blair's claims for DB2 that started it.
Can't find the original post, it's not in google anymore
although many of my replies are. Somewhere around this time
of the year, 2001. It's the marketing "season" anyways.

http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en...com%26rnum%3D1

I quote from Blair's post, and yours (appended):

DB2 is the same code base on all versions of Windows (95 through 2000), AIX,
Solaris, HP-UX, NUMA-Q and OS/2. There are three other DB2 code bases
(390, AS/400
and VM/VSE). 4 code bases is not "zillions". Each RDBMS vendor has an
additional
code base kicking around (Oracle has RDB, Sybase has SQL Anywhere, and
Microsoft has
Access and Foxpro) - at least IBM has aligned DML across the platforms.

Nuno Souto wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2001 09:36:46 -0400, Blair Kenneth Adamache
<ad******@ca.ib m.com> wrote:
merging object-relational features into a parallel relational database) meshnicely with DB2's approach. It is our expectation that Informix
releases under
Yeah, they might eventually allow IBM to deliver one version of DB2,
instead of the zillion versions out there, one for each platform...

<d&r>

Cheers
Nuno Souto
ns****@bigpond. net.au.nospam
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/the_Den/index.html


----------------
So could we now put this myth about IBMers pretending there is only one
codebase to bed?

Cheers
Serge
--
Serge Rielau
DB2 SQL Compiler Development
IBM Toronto Lab
Nov 12 '05 #132
Noons wrote:
Serge Rielau allegedly said,on my timestamp of 7/06/2004 10:55 PM:
Correct. That's how the game goes when one enters the market late.

Don't know... After all, DB2 commercially PRE-DATES Oracle, funny
enough!

Yes, just not on Unix and Windows. Brand new codebase. Remember?!
When I joined IBM shortly after DB2 V5 shipped I was not certain I
made a good move given an abysmal marketshare at the time.
Now, tracking the share over 3 releases I think I'm in the right spot.

DB2 or UDB? You see, that is where these things have to be
VERY precisely stated, because of this permanent confusion about
what is what. And is that across the board or just on IBM's own
Unix boxes?

UDB is not a specifier for the codebase either.
When refere to DB2 I uusally refer to DB2 UDB for Linux,Unix and
Windows. That's the codebase I work on and it seems the majority of the
posters in comp.databases. ibm-db2 use this platforms. (An interesting
statistical phenomenon in itself, actually)
So I was refering to DB2 UDB V5 for Unix, Windows (and Linux? Don't
recall) having had a small marketshare at that point. It was only the
second release I think. The first release was only on OS/2 AFAIK and not
even yet owned by Toronto. DB2 UDB V5 merged DB2 CS with DB2 PE (shared
nothing paralelism). With DB2 PE coming AFTER DB2 for OS/390 already did
shared-disk paralelism - to clean up with yet another myth.

Unfortunetely like with many products names sometimes go their own ways.
MS folks refer to their product as "SQL" (which makes me reach for teh
switchblade) many DB2 folks refer to DB2 for
Unix, Windows and Linux as "UDB" because it was the first labeled UDB
(the IBM link itself still reflects that heritage).
IMHO IBM is rather bad about naming things..... But then again I'm
neither marketing nor a smart cookie. So I just shut up :-)
--
Serge Rielau
DB2 SQL Compiler Development
IBM Toronto Lab
Nov 12 '05 #133
Serge Rielau <sr*****@ca.e ye-be-em.com> wrote in message news:<ca******* ***@hanover.tor olab.ibm.com>.. .
<snip>
I quote from Blair's post, and yours (appended):

DB2 is the same code base on all versions of Windows (95 through 2000), AIX,
Solaris, HP-UX, NUMA-Q and OS/2. There are three other DB2 code bases
(390, AS/400
and VM/VSE). 4 code bases is not "zillions". Each RDBMS vendor has an
additional
code base kicking around (Oracle has RDB, Sybase has SQL Anywhere, and
Microsoft has
Access and Foxpro) - at least IBM has aligned DML across the platforms.


nah. all the UDB books i've seen say, in effect, "don't try this on
the mainframe." i've been bitten more than once. my two pets: you
can't set integrity (without getting a COBOL-er to run a Job), and
you can't reset an identity.

robert
<snip>
Nov 12 '05 #134
Noons <wi*******@yaho o.com.au.nospam > wrote in message news:<40******* *************** @news.optusnet. com.au>...
Serge Rielau allegedly said,on my timestamp of 7/06/2004 10:29 PM:

It is a bit like me going out there and asking Mark Townsend to _admit_
that RDB licenses are counted under Oracle's marketshare. Well, I


If they are and I'm not aware of such a thing, then it is EQUALLY
wrong and as blatantly deranged as IBM's claims. And quite frankly if that
is what Gartner is doing, they truly deserve the title of morons.
Even Oracle admits RDB is a "hierarchic al db" and doesn't have
the nerve to call it relational!


Whoops! http://www.oracle.com/rdb/index.html?content.html

(It's been 10 years?)

jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...mz1b7ebay.html
Nov 12 '05 #135

"Noons" <wi*******@yaho o.com.au> schreef in bericht
news:73******** *************** **@posting.goog le.com...
"Jeroen van den Broek" <Jeroen@NO_SPAM baasbovenbaas.d emon.nl> wrote in message news:<10******* ******@corp.sup ernews.com>...
Have you ever used Oracle on OS/390?
Matter of fact, I have. When that crap was called MVS/XA.


Assuming this has been >10 years back, as MVS/XA has been withdrawn end
1992, do you think nothing has changed since, both for the OS as for Oracle?
I wouldn't say it works EXACTLY and PRECISELY the same there.


I would say you don't have a clue what you're talking about.


Why are you getting personal?
Did I attack you? No.
Did I attack your favorite DBMS? No.
As a matter of fact, I work both with DB2 and Oracle (on OS/390) and
although I am far more familiar with DB2, I am perfectly happy with Oracle
as well.
Oracle on OS/390 comes with quite a few manuals specific for that
environment, which wouldn't be necessary for a product that doesn't care on which platform it is executed.


And coming with manuals that explain that deranged platform is
a fault of Oracle in not being the same as everywhere else?


The manuals don't explain the OS (lots of IBM-manuals for that), but the
differences in architecture, administrative procedures, parameters, messages
etc between the OS/390 version of Oracle and the 'standard' Oracle
environment.
Here is a clue: stop measuring your knowledge of a product
by the weight of manuals. It helps too if you read them...


Again, getting personal doesn't make a good argument.
I am perfectly aware that I am no match for you w.r.t. knowledge about
Oracle in general, but this doesn't give you the right to act like a VIP and
try to shut me up by being rude. Furthermore, I think I am safe in assuming
I have read more of the current OS/390-specific Oracle-documentation then
yourself.
Maybe you care to read this pdf-file:
http://shareweb.share.org/proceeding...data/S0961.PDF
It contains an 'Introduction to Oracle on OS/390 with OSDI' written by Ken
Panza from Oracle.

One final question: if you think Unix is the only viable environment not
only for Oracle, but for all critical business software, why bother about
'Oracle is Oracle is Oracle' or 'DB2 isn't UDB isn't DB/400'? Better try to
convince users of those 'crap'-OS's to step into the wonderfull world of
Unix, where Oracle is still in the lead...
Nov 12 '05 #136
Noons <wi*******@yaho o.com.au.nospam > writes:
Even Oracle admits RDB is a "hierarchic al db" and doesn't have
the nerve to call it relational!


Are you sure about that? I believe RDB originally stood for "relational
database".

From http://www.oracle.com/rdb/

"Oracle Rdb is a full-featured, relational database management system for
mission-critical applications on OpenVMS platforms.

<misc stuff deleted>

The Oracle Rdb family of products also includes Oracle CODASYL DBMS (a
network data model database system), Oracle CDD/Repository (for managing
meta data), and Oracle Trace."

Were you thinking CODASYL as above? Even that is not an hierarchical
database!
Regards,
--
Haider
Nov 12 '05 #137
Serge Rielau wrote:
Noons wrote:

So I was refering to DB2 UDB V5 for Unix, Windows (and Linux? Don't
recall) having had a small marketshare at that point. It was only the


In v5.0, DB2 that you're referring to was DB2 for UWO, I think. I
can't recall the order - but it's Unix, Windows, and OS/2.

IBM released a beta of DB2 for Linux with DB2 v5.2, but it never GA'd,
and thus wasn't publically available. Rather, it wasn't supported,
although the beta was a public beta.

DB2 for Linux GA'd with the rest of DB2 UDB on UWO with DB2 v6.1.

The platform identifier didn't seem to change until OS/2 was dropped
with v8, from UWO to LUW - DB2 for Linux, Unix, and Windows. This
corrects an oversight from previous releases that treated Linux as if
it could be contained under the Unix name, which, of course, it can't.
Nov 12 '05 #138
I remember RDB on the VAX. It was simple, primitive, and
come to think of it, faster than SQL-Server using cursors.
Very basic features, but it worked. VAX C was easy too, even
using VAX curses-library was interesting, but I could never
grasp an idea of where I was on VMS, directories just didn't
seem to be relevant...

"Haider Rizvi" <ha****@nouce.c a.ibm.com> wrote in message news:7z******** ****@thinkhr.to rolab.ibm.com.. .
Noons <wi*******@yaho o.com.au.nospam > writes:
Even Oracle admits RDB is a "hierarchic al db" and doesn't have
the nerve to call it relational!


Are you sure about that? I believe RDB originally stood for "relational
database".

From http://www.oracle.com/rdb/

"Oracle Rdb is a full-featured, relational database management system for
mission-critical applications on OpenVMS platforms.

<misc stuff deleted>

The Oracle Rdb family of products also includes Oracle CODASYL DBMS (a
network data model database system), Oracle CDD/Repository (for managing
meta data), and Oracle Trace."

Were you thinking CODASYL as above? Even that is not an hierarchical
database!
Regards,
--
Haider



Nov 12 '05 #139
IMHO IBM is rather bad about naming things.....


Right. Like actually understanding what words mean, or preteending they
don't mean anything. Like "Common" Server. Like the "Universal" Database
for Windows, Unix and Linux. Like the (other) "Universal" Database (for
OS/390). Like the other "Universal" Database (for iSeries). Like Truth
in Marketing. But then again, people in unbreakable houses shouldn't
throw stones.

Nov 12 '05 #140

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