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database market share 2003

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040526/tech_...etshare_1.html

Interesting to see that database sales for windows is more than
Unix.
Nov 12 '05
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"Larry" <La***@nospam.n et> wrote in message
news:Vl******** *************@n ews4.srv.hcvlny .cv.net...
It has already been stated that the DB2 codebase is exactly the same
across the Intel/AMD/UNIX platforms ... the ones that DB2 competes
against Oracle on. How you can just completely dismiss the benefits of
the minor differences in code base (mostly not at an application level)
is beyond me, and shows how you think. There are great similaries across
all these code bases.
Minor quibble - last time I looked 'great similarities' and 'exactly the
same' had 2 different meanings.

<snip>
The point is this. Why are you worried about having to do a bit more
work if it results in a better product, sells licenses for your
application, and makes you more money? Does Toyota put the same engine
in all their cars? Don't you think their development costs would be
lower if they did? Does GE make only one size air conditioner and tell
consumers to install it in their house no matter how small or big it is?
Don't you think GE's costs would be lower if they could do this?

Yes ... it IS better really.


In which way? - your initial well its all pretty much the same really way,
or your second its all designed for the use to which its put way? And of
course the billion dollar question - so why not move all the informix guys
to DB2 - after all it's better right.
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Niall Litchfield
Oracle DBA
http://www.niall.litchfield.dial.pipex.com
Nov 12 '05 #111
"Jeroen van den Broek" <Jeroen@NO_SPAM baasbovenbaas.d emon.nl> wrote in message news:<10******* ******@corp.sup ernews.com>...
Have you ever used Oracle on OS/390?
Matter of fact, I have. When that crap was called MVS/XA.
I wouldn't say it works EXACTLY and PRECISELY the same there.
I would say you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Oracle on OS/390 comes with quite a few manuals specific for that
environment, which wouldn't be necessary for a product that doesn't care on
which platform it is executed.


And coming with manuals that explain that deranged platform is
a fault of Oracle in not being the same as everywhere else?

Here is a clue: stop measuring your knowledge of a product
by the weight of manuals. It helps too if you read them...
Nov 12 '05 #112
> > Oracle on OS/390 comes with quite a few manuals specific for that
environment, which wouldn't be necessary for a product that doesn't care on which platform it is executed.


And coming with manuals that explain that deranged platform is
a fault of Oracle in not being the same as everywhere else?

MVS or zOS are not deranged platforms. But an application that is written is
C (like Oracle) is not going to perform well on that platform.
Nov 12 '05 #113
Larry <La***@nospam.n et> wrote in message news:<Vl******* **************@ news4.srv.hcvln y.cv.net>...

You continue to demonstrate your biases and your pure opinionated
non-logic that is frankly extremely short-sighted and dismisses anything
but your own twisted reasoning.
Get lost. You don't have the FOGGIEST what my motivations are,
what "biases" I have or ANYTHING about me, for that matter.
It has already been stated that the DB2 codebase is exactly the same
across the Intel/AMD/UNIX platforms ...
What was stated here many times by IBM people was that the
code base was the same. Unqualified. Period. Whereas
Oracle's wasn't. About as much sense as the rest of
IBM's policies...

How you can just completely dismiss the benefits of
the minor differences in code base (mostly not at an application level)
is beyond me, and shows how you think. There are great similaries across
all these code bases.
So, is it "exactly the same" or "greatly similar"?
Can't you idiots for once start to make sense in
all that jazz about the "same product", "same
code base" and all that UTTER crap?
Intel/AMD/UNIX vs. iseries vs. 390/z platforms, so be it. Evidently,
thousands of ISVs differ with you. It's a matter of cost vs. benefit,
They disagree so much with me that there isn't A SINGLE ONE
writing code for AS400 UDB as well as Unix UDB. That's how much
they "disagree with me"...
application, and makes you more money? Does Toyota put the same engine
in all their cars?


Who cares? Toyota is not stupid enough to claim they all aren't
internal combustion engines. or that they all have the same
number of cilinders.
Not something one can say about the "single code base" product.
Nov 12 '05 #114
Larry <La***@nospam.n et> wrote in message news:<4R******* *************** @news4.srv.hcvl ny.cv.net>...
You are making an issue out of a non-issue because of your obvious
biases. Go ahead. The rest of the group can see right through it.


Get on with reality: I couldn't care LESS what the "rest of the group"
might see, think, do or say. Capice?
Nov 12 '05 #115
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 7/06/2004 1:32 PM:

MVS or zOS are not deranged platforms. But an application that is written is
C (like Oracle) is not going to perform well on that platform.


Oh bugger: there goes the "portabilit y" and "single code
base" of UDB/DB2 down the drain....

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #116
Blair Adamache allegedly said,on my timestamp of 4/06/2004 10:15 AM:
Very professional. Your words speak for themselves. Your debating skills
and use of logic are eclipsed only by the respectful manner in which you
Here is a clue: stop the bullshit and you won't get it back.
Another one: don't dish it out if you don't like to cop it
across the face.
display your learning and intellect. You must be proud of your
rhetorical acumen. You are truly a credit to the Oracle community.


I am NOT the Oracle community and "they" don't speak through me,
as much as dimwits such as you would like that to be true.
Didn't you get that yet?

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #117
"Noons" <wi*******@yaho o.com.au.nospam > wrote in message
news:40******** *************** @news.optusnet. com.au...
Blair Adamache allegedly said,on my timestamp of 4/06/2004 10:15 AM:
Very professional. Your words speak for themselves. Your debating skills
and use of logic are eclipsed only by the respectful manner in which you


Here is a clue: stop the bullshit and you won't get it back.
Another one: don't dish it out if you don't like to cop it
across the face.
display your learning and intellect. You must be proud of your
rhetorical acumen. You are truly a credit to the Oracle community.


I am NOT the Oracle community and "they" don't speak through me,
as much as dimwits such as you would like that to be true.
Didn't you get that yet?


Have you tried increasing the BUFFERS parameter to improve the cache rate?
Nov 12 '05 #118
Serge Rielau allegedly said,on my timestamp of 4/06/2004 11:02 AM:
Well, Blair commented on the language, so I shall refrain from that.
Stop posting stupid and idiotic replies (not you!) and it will stop.
Until then, you get it back in whatever fashion I deem appropriate,
and there is preciously nothing anyone can do about it.
Sorry, but that's the way it goes when someone tries to insult
everyone's intelligence.
Either way: IBM does NOT know how many customers use which parts of the
i/Series's operation system.
Good. Can I quote that WIDELY as a truth finally admitted?
Just like the "same code base everywhere" three years ago that turned
out to be "only here and there" after the derision got too loud?
What you refer to as DB2 is a surpringly small SQL interface to OS/400.
I don't get this: Is it small in user base? Or small in code size?
Complexity? Or irrelevant to this discussion (as it should have remained)?
Customers choose to work with OS/400 filesystem or the SQL interface.
Yes. Therefore and until IBM knows precisely who is using what,
it is pointless, stupid and inaccurate to claim that ALL AS400 licenses
are DB2/UDB licenses (implied as being used as such).
etc. i/Series is a DBMS with a capital S for SYSTEM. It is what
Microsoft wants to have. One big "magic box" (remember the commercial?).
Serge, Serge, Serge: I KNOW what it is. When it came out, it was
a BIG step ahead in all this OS rubbish. And lauded as such, and the
customer base responded accordingly by making the AS400 the most
successful IBM platform EVER! Long before DB2 existed anywhere else other
than as SQL/DS.

What it NEVER was, is NOT and NEVER will be is DB2, or UDB!
No matter how many times the deranged IBM marketing decides to
change its name.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to separate DB2 function from OS/400 function.
But like you said above: many customers decide what to use.
Amazing how those customers can be more discerning than IBM's own
people...
when we discuss new "DB2" features I get: "Oh we do this through the
filesystem interface like that since n-years".
Bingo.
If a customers use OS/400 but not the SQL Interface, are they not using
DB2? If customers are using Oracle through XQuery are they not using
Oracle the database system? Should they not be counted? Does Oracle know?
Serge, when will you "folks" just wake up from the marketing
bullshit you're fed every day? Can't you even spot the cretin
abuse of language that is such an argument?

Here is a clue: Oracle does not bundle Oracle licenses with
other totally inappropriate products. They only sell Oracle.
Therefore, what they sell cannot be other than Oracle licenses.
A more clear example, in case you have not clicked yet:
NO ONE goes to Oracle to buy a coffee grinder and ends up with an
Oracle license (as much as it may hurt Larry's over-sensitive pocket).

However, in IBM's case it is perfectly possible to buy an AS400 -
or whatever IBM calls coffee grinders now - with a bunch of inherited
and badly ported 3rd party System 38 packages and end up counted as a
DB2/UDB(this last one is even more cretin!...) "user".
In Microsoft's and IBM's case, the onus is on the maker to
PROVE they are not just churning numbers.
And IBM's poor excuse of "we do not know how many" is at best
a poor attempt to get their arses off the firing line.
Got it now? Do you understand why I consider this kind of
semantics (by Gartner, IBM or whomever!) an offensive abuse of
anyone's patience and intelligence? Or do I have to use smaller
words to explain myself?

Cripes, you people have some really smart cookies around, maybe
you should bounce these moronic marketing campaigns off them
every once in a while?

Brace yourself, because that whole "relational " DBMS categorization is
going to get pretty meaningless anyway as MS, Oracle and IBM bury XML
deep into their "engines" and Information Integration and Content
Management gets bigger and bigger.
I've been braced for it since, let me see: around 1997.
It's all data. Your favorite email repository, text, image, XML, network
router for crying out lout.


Did I ever say it wasn't?
--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #119
> > MVS or zOS are not deranged platforms. But an application that is
written is
C (like Oracle) is not going to perform well on that platform.


Oh bugger: there goes the "portabilit y" and "single code
base" of UDB/DB2 down the drain....

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto


As previously stated: DB2 has the same code base for UNIX, Linux, and
Windows. There is a separate code base for OS/390, and a another one for
AS/400.

The point that was made is that Oracle doesn't even have a product for
AS/400, and the Oracle product on OS/390 does not seriously compete with DB2
on that platform. So on the platforms that Oracle and DB2 compete (UNIX,
Linux, and Windows, DB2 does have one code base.
Nov 12 '05 #120

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