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database market share 2003

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040526/tech_...etshare_1.html

Interesting to see that database sales for windows is more than
Unix.
Nov 12 '05
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"Data Goob" <da******@hotma il.com> wrote in message
news:WO******** *********@fe41. usenetserver.co m...
What's the price for a zSeries z990?

I've been perusing the z990 webpages over at ibm.com
but no prices. It's intriguing to see mainframes in
vogue running Linux, but no context of how fast these
things are and how much they cost to implement. The
jargon is also completely opaque unless you grew up
in a mainframe environment, which I did not.


Here is the announcement letter for z990. IBM does not publish prices for
mainframes because they require complex configuration of all the components.
An IBM representative will give you a quote.
http://www-306.ibm.com/common/ssi/OI...=Announcements

For future reference, here is the IBM Announcement search page:
http://www-306.ibm.com/common/ssi/OI...ed=NAV002PT090
Nov 12 '05 #101
"Data Goob" <da******@hotma il.com> wrote in message news:<WO******* **********@fe41 .usenetserver.c om>...
What's the price for a zSeries z990?

I've been perusing the z990 webpages over at ibm.com
but no prices. It's intriguing to see mainframes in
vogue running Linux, but no context of how fast these
things are and how much they cost to implement. The
jargon is also completely opaque unless you grew up
in a mainframe environment, which I did not.


Not surprised to hear that there aren't listed prices - anything at
the 0.25 mil and up range tends to be custom-priced to some degree.
And not necessarily so that sales can offer the steepest price you'll
bite at - but because the complexity at that price range typically
requires the involvement of professional staff to size an offering.

And, I suspect that they sell more based upon reliability,
managability & adaptability than upon pure speed. After all, if all
you want is speed, and your app will allow it - you might implement a
clustering/grid solution cheaper than a mainframe.

But, if you want to run a few dozen MVS environments, along with
1-10,000 linux environments - you can do it on a mainframe. And with
more-or-less the flip of a switch you can bring up a new session.
Will it be more reliable than intel? yeah, almost certainly. Will it
be easier to manage? Probably, depending on your staff. Will it be
cheaper? Well...that depends on what you host.

Using a mainframe to consolidate really busy databases doesn't sound
attractive to me from a cost standpoint (though it would provide
better reliability). But using a mainframe to consolidate dozens of
standby databases could be extremely economical.

So, yeah - there's a role for mainframes today. But then again, I
prefer my databases owned by the business units rather than the IT
units...so I seldom run across mainframes these days...

buck
Nov 12 '05 #102
Larry allegedly said,on my timestamp of 5/06/2004 9:09 AM:
Precisely! The case is made that different code bases is actually
better! You've got to have different exploitative code on each platform.


Is it better really? I'd hate to have to write ANYTHING for a "same
code base" product that needs this:
https://aurora.vcu.edu/db2help/db2c0/frame3.htm#db2c024
for people to be able to use it in each platform.

The same crap for Oracle would be resumed in one (1) sentence:
Oracle works EXATLY and PRECISELY the same REGARDLESS of what
platform you run it on.

Now, you can take your "optimized-single-code-base-that-is-not-
quite-the-same-but-we'd-really-really-like-everyone-to-believe-
it-is" and quite frankly, shove it...

;)

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #103
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 5/06/2004 8:50 AM:
because of that. The Oracle market share has been dropping, especially on
new installations, as MS and IBM have improved their DBMS products.


and that, quite frankly, is good in my book.
At last, some serious competition. It might get
Larry's feet back to earth for a change.
(I mean, the Oracle Larry, not the one from
this thread!).

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #104

"Noons" <wi*******@yaho o.com.au.nospam > schreef in bericht
news:40******** **************@ news.optusnet.c om.au...
Larry allegedly said,on my timestamp of 5/06/2004 9:09 AM:
Precisely! The case is made that different code bases is actually
better! You've got to have different exploitative code on each platform.


Is it better really? I'd hate to have to write ANYTHING for a "same
code base" product that needs this:
https://aurora.vcu.edu/db2help/db2c0/frame3.htm#db2c024
for people to be able to use it in each platform.

The same crap for Oracle would be resumed in one (1) sentence:
Oracle works EXATLY and PRECISELY the same REGARDLESS of what
platform you run it on.

Have you ever used Oracle on OS/390?
I wouldn't say it works EXACTLY and PRECISELY the same there.
Oracle on OS/390 comes with quite a few manuals specific for that
environment, which wouldn't be necessary for a product that doesn't care on
which platform it is executed.
Nov 12 '05 #105
Noons wrote:
... [many pithy things and then] ...
Don't try the semantics bullshit here, moron.


Very professional. Your words speak for themselves. Your debating skills
and use of logic are eclipsed only by the respectful manner in which you
display your learning and intellect. You must be proud of your
rhetorical acumen. You are truly a credit to the Oracle community.

Nov 12 '05 #106
Noons wrote:
Thank you for admitting IBM is NOT being honest.
WTF doesn't IBM do it?

Well, Blair commented on the language, so I shall refrain from that.

Either way: IBM does NOT know how many customers use which parts of the
i/Series's operation system.
What you refer to as DB2 is a surpringly small SQL interface to OS/400.
Customers choose to work with OS/400 filesystem or the SQL interface.
Either way they may or may not use triggers, concurrency control etc,
etc. i/Series is a DBMS with a capital S for SYSTEM. It is what
Microsoft wants to have. One big "magic box" (remember the commercial?).
It is IMPOSSIBLE to separate DB2 function from OS/400 function.
I'm on the phone with these guys once a week and more often, than not
when we discuss new "DB2" features I get: "Oh we do this through the
filesystem interface like that since n-years".
If a customers use OS/400 but not the SQL Interface, are they not using
DB2? If customers are using Oracle through XQuery are they not using
Oracle the database system? Should they not be counted? Does Oracle know?
Brace yourself, because that whole "relational " DBMS categorization is
going to get pretty meaningless anyway as MS, Oracle and IBM bury XML
deep into their "engines" and Information Integration and Content
Management gets bigger and bigger.
It's all data. Your favorite email repository, text, image, XML, network
router for crying out lout.

Cheers
Serge
--
Serge Rielau
DB2 SQL Compiler Development
IBM Toronto Lab
Nov 12 '05 #107
It makes sense to invest in any product or technology that can make a
profit, and give you a good return for your investment. The 5% number is
irrelevant if further investment is rewarded with more sales. A good
example is IBM's original commercial database, SQL/DS (also known as
System R and now known as DB2 for VSE & VM). IBM has continued to
release new function on this platform since its debut 23 years ago.

You don't have to have 100% of a market ot make a profit - you don't
even need 10% - consider BMW if you want an example in another industry.

Data Goob wrote:
If I were an Informix customer who just could not live without
Informix, it would be most interesting to know what the future
holds for those customers. Last I heard Informix only had 3%
of the market, similar to many other niche database markets.
It may be a great database, but in the final analysis it is
totally irrelevant when compared to what DB2, Oracle, and MS-SQL
are doing. If your statement is true, 140 million is indeed a
lot of money, but compared with over 2 billion in revenue for
DB2 it is not. It looks like side money. Is it really sensible
for IBM to spend any kind of effort on a product that brings
in little more than 5% of its database revenue? I would think
staying with Informix and its certain death would get people
interested in the future. Technically speaking, most of the white
papers I've read point to DB2 as the clear winner in just about
every single category and puzzling why anyone here would even consider
Oracle or MS. The one area of relevance that Informix **does**
bring to the table is that DB2 will be incorporating many Informix
features. If I were an Informix customer I would consider that
good news, but it doesn't look like that here, it looks like a
bunch of sour grapes for Informix peoples.

"rkusenet" <rk******@sympa tico.ca> wrote in message news:2i******** ****@uni-berlin.de...
"scottishpoet " <dr*******@yaho o.com> wrote
In the UNIX segment of the database market, Gartner said sales fell
5.9% to $2.34 billion last year as most of the leading vendors
declined. Oracle's new license sales fell 8.3% to $1.34 billion, or
57.4% share; while IBM's sales fell 5.8% to $586.5 million, or 25.1%
share.


Informix's total new license sales in 2003 was 140 million.
Even assuming that all of those 140 million is on Unix,
it means sales of Db2 on unix has overtaken Informix.
Interesting . Only last year or so I read that Informix was
still outselling Db2 in Unix despite step child treatment
by IBM.



Nov 12 '05 #108
IBM's relational database software revenue on zOS has increased for more
than 5 consecutive years. If you want to project ahead 10 years, perhaps
Oracle's share on Sun should be discounted - I think Oracle+Sun is much
more of a legacy business than DB2 on zOS.

robert wrote:


growing??? there was a news report a couple of days ago that IBM's
MF business was about $3 (or $4) billion annually. and that 10 years
ago it was $12 billion. i didn't attempt to verify this, of course.
anyone is welcome to do so. but, on the face of it, DB2/MF is NOT the
future.

robert


Nov 12 '05 #109
More respectful and thoughtful comments from an Oracle bigot.

You continue to demonstrate your biases and your pure opinionated
non-logic that is frankly extremely short-sighted and dismisses anything
but your own twisted reasoning.

It has already been stated that the DB2 codebase is exactly the same
across the Intel/AMD/UNIX platforms ... the ones that DB2 competes
against Oracle on. How you can just completely dismiss the benefits of
the minor differences in code base (mostly not at an application level)
is beyond me, and shows how you think. There are great similaries across
all these code bases. If you'd hate to have to write any applications
that might (stress MIGHT) have to differ somewhat across the
Intel/AMD/UNIX vs. iseries vs. 390/z platforms, so be it. Evidently,
thousands of ISVs differ with you. It's a matter of cost vs. benefit,
and that is a business decision ... something you either apparently
don't want to consider ... or that hasn't occurred to you.

The point is this. Why are you worried about having to do a bit more
work if it results in a better product, sells licenses for your
application, and makes you more money? Does Toyota put the same engine
in all their cars? Don't you think their development costs would be
lower if they did? Does GE make only one size air conditioner and tell
consumers to install it in their house no matter how small or big it is?
Don't you think GE's costs would be lower if they could do this?

Yes ... it IS better really.

Larry Edelstein

Noons wrote:
Larry allegedly said,on my timestamp of 5/06/2004 9:09 AM:
Precisely! The case is made that different code bases is actually
better! You've got to have different exploitative code on each platform.

Is it better really? I'd hate to have to write ANYTHING for a "same
code base" product that needs this:
https://aurora.vcu.edu/db2help/db2c0/frame3.htm#db2c024
for people to be able to use it in each platform.

The same crap for Oracle would be resumed in one (1) sentence:
Oracle works EXATLY and PRECISELY the same REGARDLESS of what
platform you run it on.

Now, you can take your "optimized-single-code-base-that-is-not-
quite-the-same-but-we'd-really-really-like-everyone-to-believe-
it-is" and quite frankly, shove it...

;)


Nov 12 '05 #110

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