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Re: The Obamanation Gets a Dire and Critical Warning From South Africa..

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2*******@googlemail.com>
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>She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa
Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? Niiice.
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What happened there will happen here. White guilt and PC elected this
joker and we will all pay the price

On Nov 7, 7:12*am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2Zabc...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa

Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? *Niiice.
Nov 7 '08 #2

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In article <gf**********@registered.motzarella.org>,
Bill Sornson <As***@Ask.Me.Orgwent outside of the scope of comp.lang.c
to write:
>Carl Beattie top-posted (rest removed):
>Emanuel Was Director Of Freddie Mac During Scandal
New Obama Chief of Staff, Others on Board, Missed "Red Flags" of
Alleged Fraud Scheme
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ

November 7, 2008-
This is off-topic in comp.lang.c.

There is no mention of Barack Obama in any of the C standards documents.

Nov 7 '08 #3

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Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article <gf**********@registered.motzarella.org>,
Bill Sornson <As***@Ask.Me.Orgwent outside of the scope of comp.lang.c
to write:
>Carl Beattie top-posted (rest removed):
>>Emanuel Was Director Of Freddie Mac During Scandal
New Obama Chief of Staff, Others on Board, Missed "Red Flags" of
Alleged Fraud Scheme
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ

November 7, 2008-

This is off-topic in comp.lang.c.

There is no mention of Barack Obama in any of the C standards documents.
It's part of Obama's liberal agenda to rewrite the C standard to make it
compliant with Microsoft Basic circa 1985.
Nov 7 '08 #4

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Fred Fredburger wrote:
>
It's part of Obama's liberal agenda to rewrite the C standard to make it
compliant with Microsoft Basic circa 1985.
Very funny Fred. Soooo funny.

But... fact is, you lost. No amount of pettiness will hide that
fact now.

And... I am happy you and Mr Bush lost.

You, Mr Bush, Thick Cheney, all the neocons will go now.

Phew, what a nice cleanup!
--
jacob navia
jacob at jacob point remcomp point fr
logiciels/informatique
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32
Nov 7 '08 #5

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Kenny McCormack wrote:
>This is off-topic in comp.lang.c.
There is no mention of Barack Obama in any of the C standards documents.
Fred Fredburger wrote:
It's part of Obama's liberal agenda to rewrite the C standard to make it
compliant with Microsoft Basic circa 1985.
Thats obfuse, but at least its not (casting) the proverbial before swine.
Nov 7 '08 #6

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Donald Munro wrote:
Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>This is off-topic in comp.lang.c.
There is no mention of Barack Obama in any of the C standards documents.
Fred Fredburger wrote:
>It's part of Obama's liberal agenda to rewrite the C standard to make it
compliant with Microsoft Basic circa 1985.

Thats obfuse, but at least its not (casting) the proverbial before swine.

The robotic replacement for Larry Wall is still in alpha test. Last I
heard, there were still bugs in the fetus disposal module.
Nov 7 '08 #7

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On Nov 7, 7:44*pm, Fred Fredburger
<FredFrebur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos.Huhwrote:
Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article <gf1omo$d3...@registered.motzarella.org>,
Bill Sornson <As...@Ask.Me.Orgwent outside of the scope of comp.lang.c
to write:
Carl Beattie top-posted (rest removed):
>Emanuel Was Director Of Freddie Mac During Scandal
New Obama Chief of Staff, Others on Board, Missed "Red Flags" of
Alleged Fraud Scheme
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ
>November 7, 2008-
This is off-topic in comp.lang.c.
There is no mention of Barack Obama in any of the C standards documents..

It's part of Obama's liberal agenda to rewrite the C standard to make it
compliant with Microsoft Basic circa 1985.
Nah, that's only 23 years behind the times. Bill Gates has long since
handily beaten that record with Vista...

Andre Jute
My first Mac was signed "Love, Steve" and I had seen no reason to
change in the decades since...
Nov 8 '08 #8

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On Nov 7, 12:12*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2Zabc...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa

Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? *Niiice.
Actually, the Conservatives were the main opposition to the apartheid
government.

But do tell us, John Forrest Tomlinson, how the fact that this woman's
husband was in the official opposition to the apartheid government in
any way makes the observable points she raises any the less valuable.
Are you claiming that South Africa is not dangerous and corrupt under
the present ANC government?

If you can refute here points, you should do so. If you cannot, you
shouldn't smear her with her husband's politics. You're indulging in
sexist and racist prejudice here; I would have thought someone of your
revealed politics would know better.

Andre Jute
Enquiring minds want to know
Nov 8 '08 #9

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On Nov 7, 1:31*pm, bigjimp...@gmail.com wrote:
What happened there will happen here. *White guilt and PC elected this
joker and we will all pay the price

On Nov 7, 7:12*am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2Zabc...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>She and her husband, a former conservative member of
>parliament, still reside in South Africa
Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? *Niiice.
Nov 8 '08 #10

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On Nov 7, 9:11*pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Nov 7, 12:12*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2Zabc...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>She and her husband, a former conservative member of
>parliament, still reside in South Africa
Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? *Niiice.

Actually, the Conservatives were the main opposition to the apartheid
government.

But do tell us, John Forrest Tomlinson, how the fact that this woman's
husband was in the official opposition to the apartheid government in
any way makes the observable points she raises any the less valuable.
Are you claiming that South Africa is not dangerous and corrupt under
the present ANC government?

If you can refute here points, you should do so. If you cannot, you
shouldn't smear her with her husband's politics. You're indulging in
sexist and racist prejudice here; I would have thought someone of your
revealed politics would know better.

Andre Jute
Enquiring minds want to know

Dumbass -
This thread's premise is flawed.

The United States and South Africa cannot be used as analogues for
each other. They are profoundly different from each other in too many
ways to list here.
thanks,

K. Gringioni.
Nov 8 '08 #11

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On Nov 8, 5:24*am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.comwrote:
On Nov 7, 9:11*pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Nov 7, 12:12*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2Zabc...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa
Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? *Niiice.
Actually, the Conservatives were the main opposition to the apartheid
government.
But do tell us, John Forrest Tomlinson, how the fact that this woman's
husband was in the official opposition to the apartheid government in
any way makes the observable points she raises any the less valuable.
Are you claiming that South Africa is not dangerous and corrupt under
the present ANC government?
If you can refute here points, you should do so. If you cannot, you
shouldn't smear her with her husband's politics. You're indulging in
sexist and racist prejudice here; I would have thought someone of your
revealed politics would know better.
Andre Jute
Enquiring minds want to know

Dumbass -
Why, thank you, kind sir. That's the nicest thing anyone thought about
me today.
This thread's premise is flawed.
But I didn't address the thread's premise. I addressed the methodology
of brainless left, of labelling anyone they do not agree with a
rightwinger and than considering that an adequate answer to all the
points raised by the party of the first part (I know who I am talking
about, but do you, Gringione?).
The United States and South Africa cannot be used as analogues for
each other. They are profoundly different from each other in too many
ways to list here.
Well then, just list a few, hmm, a sample from the ever so many
differences you claim.
thanks,
For showing you up as another brainless berk? I haven't even started
yet.
K. Gringioni.
When we have your list of differences between the pre-ANC South Africa
and the pre-Obama United States in hand, I'll explain why you're an
ignorant clown. You may count on it.

Andre Jute
Thumbs well clear of the bricks

Nov 8 '08 #12

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On Nov 7, 9:11*pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Nov 7, 12:12*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
You're indulging in sexist and racist
prejudice here; I would have thought someone of your
revealed politics would know better.
lol
Nov 8 '08 #13

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:11:08 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
<fi******@yahoo.comwrote:
>On Nov 7, 12:12*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2Zabc...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa

Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? *Niiice.

Actually, the Conservatives were the main opposition to the apartheid
government.

But do tell us, John Forrest Tomlinson, how the fact that this woman's
husband was in the official opposition to the apartheid government in
any way makes the observable points she raises any the less valuable.
Are you claiming that South Africa is not dangerous and corrupt under
the present ANC government?
It's certainly dangerous and there is certainly corruptonj. It's also
certainly better than 25 years ago.
Nov 8 '08 #14

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Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 8, 5:24 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.comwrote:
>[...]
Dumbass -

Why, thank you, kind sir. That's the nicest thing anyone thought about
me today.[...]
FYI - Kurgan Gringioni's standard Usenet salutation is "Dumbass", and
has become part of the rec.bicycles.racing culture.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.
Nov 8 '08 #15

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On Nov 8, 11:38*am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:11:08 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute

<fiult...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Nov 7, 12:12*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2Zabc...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa
Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? *Niiice.
Actually, the Conservatives were the main opposition to the apartheid
government.
But do tell us, John Forrest Tomlinson, how the fact that this woman's
husband was in the official opposition to the apartheid government in
any way makes the observable points she raises any the less valuable.
Are you claiming that South Africa is not dangerous and corrupt under
the present ANC government?

It's certainly dangerous and there is certainly corruptonj. *It's also
certainly better than 25 years ago.
A moment of pure chilling horror rippled down my spine when I read
that. How ignorant can anyone be, even the self-deluded? How can the
highest murder-rate in the world possibly be better than the peace and
stability that breeds the middle classes from whose works flows all
the other good things of a Western society? How can it possibly be
good to turn peace into a gun culture where no woman is safe on the
streets and everyone who can afford it travels in armoured trucks? How
can it be better when De Beers, to attract geologists, must tell them
they will live in an armoured, guarded building, and be driven to work
in armoured cars? How can constant tribal warfare, in the place of
peace, be good for anyone?

You're ignorant or you're wanking, John Forrest Tomlinson.

Andre Jute
who twice had assassins sent after him by the old apartheid government
Nov 8 '08 #16

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On Nov 8, 2:43*pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 8, 5:24 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.comwrote:
[...]
Dumbass -
Why, thank you, kind sir. That's the nicest thing anyone thought about
me today.[...]

FYI - Kurgan Gringioni's standard Usenet salutation is "Dumbass", and
has become part of the rec.bicycles.racing culture.
Ah, I see, Gringioni doesn't so much spray personal abuse as exhibit a
nervous defensive twitch. Makes a lot of sense. -- AJ
Nov 8 '08 #17

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Andre Jute wrote:
>
John Forrest Tomlinson

It's certainly dangerous and there is certainly corruptonj. *It's also
certainly better than 25 years ago.

A moment of pure chilling horror rippled down my spine when I read
that. How ignorant can anyone be, even the self-deluded?
Ignorant enough to think that the black majority in South Africa were
better off under the boots of their white oppressors, evidently.

Violent crime is probably a worse problem in the American South now
than it was during the days of slavery, too. I'm guessing that black
Southerners prefer not being slaves just the same.

Chalo
Nov 8 '08 #18

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On Nov 8, 8:53*pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.comwrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson
It's certainly dangerous and there is certainly corruptonj. *It's also
certainly better than 25 years ago.
A moment of pure chilling horror rippled down my spine when I read
that. How ignorant can anyone be, even the self-deluded?

Ignorant enough to think that the black majority in South Africa were
better off under the boots of their white oppressors, evidently.

Violent crime is probably a worse problem in the American South now
than it was during the days of slavery, too. *I'm guessing that black
Southerners prefer not being slaves just the same.

Chalo
So, Chalo, would you say Zimbabweans are better off now, being
murdered by their own (black) government, than they were under the
white regime which protected their lives and their liberty?

I love "being slaves", and the "under the boots of their white
oppressors" as inflammatory rhetoric, but it has nothing to do with
the facts of black goverments committing crimes ranging from
mismanagement to genocides in either Zimbabwe or South Africa, and
less to do with the white governments which preceded them, which were
competent and honest. I've been to these places. You haven't. Blacks
in southern Africa were better off than the blacks in the American
South as recently as the late 1960s (and possibly much more recently
-- it is merely that the last time I toured the South on the ground,
so to speak, was the late 60's).

What you're spouting here is wishful revisionism of the same nature as
your claim that Hoover offered Rooseveld the presidency early in
return for him dropping the New Deal.

Zimbabwe and South Africa are rich countries; under the previous
governments they exported huge amounts of food, and no one starved.
Now people are starving, and you hold that up as good governance? I'm
disappointed in you, man. I thought a guy who always gives superb
straightup advice on mechanical things would have more blunt good
sense about politics.

Andre Jute
It is not necessary to take sides, merely to observe accurately and
report dispassionately. -- Andre Jute to students destined for
journalism, Cambridge, c1978

Nov 8 '08 #19

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On Nov 7, 10:07*pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.comwrote:
..
>
When we have your list of differences between the pre-ANC South Africa
and the pre-Obama United States in hand, I'll explain why you're an
ignorant clown.


Dumbass -
You are correct. The pre-ANC South Africa and pre-Obama United States
were exactly the same. No differences whatsover.
thanks,

K. Gringioni.
Nov 9 '08 #20

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"Kenny McCormack" <ga*****@shell.xmission.comwrote in message
>
This is off-topic in comp.lang.c.

There is no mention of Barack Obama in any of the C standards documents.
Quite. A thread with a C angle on the new president-elect would be quite
tpoical and fun, but I don't see that anyone has found a connection yet.
Spinoza (Nilges) had a go over on comp.programming, but in my opinion
failed. The OP here didn't even try to find C content.

--
Free games and programming goodies.
http://www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm
Nov 9 '08 #21

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On Nov 9, 4:29*am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.comwrote:
On Nov 7, 10:07*pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.comwrote:
.
When we have your list of differences between the pre-ANC South Africa
and the pre-Obama United States in hand, I'll explain why you're an
ignorant clown.

Dumbass -

You are correct. The pre-ANC South Africa and pre-Obama United States
were exactly the same. No differences whatsover.

thanks,
Now you're getting it, Gringie. There are of course some subtle
differences. If we compare the American Deep South and South Africa in
the year Johnson became president, we find that South African rednecks
are better educated than the Southern ones, better read, real
Christians, and of course they don't have a Ku Klux Klan. Above all,
they take a paternalistic attitude to the blacks (quite as misty-eyed
as modern liberals like you). The key difference is that the South
African rednecks never were slave owners and would have reeled away in
revulsion from the idea of owning another person...

I know, you don't want serious discussion, you merely want your
prejudices stroked, like most in this discussion. My point is that,
while I don't agree with the politics of the lady's husband, the lady
who was quoted to start this conversation has her observable facts
right, and the conclusions relating to South Africa are inescapable. I
have already said that I don't think Obama will drive the US into the
same dire straits as South Africa or Zimbabwe, if only because four
years is too short a period to do serious damage.

I don't think Obama will serve a second term, also because the term is
four years; the economy will not recover in four years, regardless of
what he does (and his policies are in any event likely to extend a
short sharp correction into an extended recession), the electorate
will blame him, and these clowns, like you, now abusing people for not
having The Faith, will turn on him like they turned on Bill Clinton,
like they turned on Jimmy Carter, and so on. (They didn't so much turn
on LBJ as hate him from the beginning for not being a Kennedy. I
always thought that strange because he was by far the most effective
Democratic President of the entire century, in terms of achievement.)

The guys in this thread are professional whiners; nothing will ever be
good enough for them. Their specialty is demanding that someone else
do something, while at the same time they strive mightily to remove
the means of action.

Andre Jute
Practised observer of stupidity
Nov 9 '08 #22

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Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

Well, perhaps
Well, perhaps you ought to quite posting to off-topic threads here.


Brian

Nov 9 '08 #23

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