473,396 Members | 2,154 Online
Bytes | Software Development & Data Engineering Community
Post Job

Home Posts Topics Members FAQ

Join Bytes to post your question to a community of 473,396 software developers and data experts.

Re: Dev-C++ compiling problem in Vista

On May 3, 8:09*am, apati...@gmail.com wrote:
I use Windows Vista Basic.

A programmer that uses Vista? :O

Vista is a hog of an operating system. Downgrade to Windows XP or get
yourself a Linux distro.
Jun 27 '08
60 3985
On May 6, 4:47*pm, jacob navia <ja...@nospam.comwrote:
The work of the linux/GNU developer is completely taken from his/her
hands and sold later by other people that make relatively big profits
(SUSE/IBM/RedHat/) At least under the traditional model, the developer
doesn't keep his/her work but he/she receives a salary, normal health
benefits, retirement contribution, etc.
Yes, under the traditional model for example the company that I work
for matches my retirement package which is self-directed and portable
unlike much of the code that I write and I squirrel away quite a good
amount every month. Our deferred profit sharing is in addition to
that, as are my medical benefits and dental plan. The plan extends to
children even while in university and spouse of course. Courses are
paid for as long as they fall into career development and are pre-
approved. The benefits are good and I am grateful for them as well as
for flexible hours and a 4 month leave of absense each year as well as
scheduled paid vacation. I am grateful for my employer's generosity.
The company functions and lucnhes etc. are extended to all of our
employees as well as other percs like cool computers at christmas
time. All of our employees get most of what I do.
Under the GNU/Linux model, the developer doesn't receive *anything*.
Life is full of choices. I would never say to my employer because I
trust these guys and I would never say that I will never use Vista.
And I have a new dual core desktop machine paved with Vista courtesy
of one of our clients as well as more desktops and linux and windows
servers than you can shake a pragma at.

I have registered versions of many Qt cross-development environments
and all that other stuff that we traditional model programmer's get.
No wonder I did not really like that model, sorry
Well, I never doubted your preference to work for money. I am always
surprised when anyone writes ShareWare expecting to make a profit. We
traditional programmers just kick that stuff out for proof of concept
or fun between wifetime, playtime, family time and sleeptime or while
coffeeing it up and letting the dogs out in the morning before we make
the commute or VPN in to the client's site.

So it is with a great deal of sadness that I hear these young guys who
deserve better buying-in to this GPL model and pouring their hearts
and souls into someone else's profit margin.

At the end of the day guys like me have tossed more resumes in the
trash because I did not see the career path strategy and work history
that should have followed the excellent transcript of marks. I always
wanted someone who was motivated by greed as well as technical
ability. We are in business computing and practicing sound business
analysis in one's career path is always desired because it generally
results in sound solutions and good client relationships and of course
money.

Bill
Jun 27 '08 #51
On May 6, 11:24*am, jacob navia <ja...@nospam.comwrote:
Eligiusz Narutowicz wrote:
What succesful SW? And please do no say "oracle".
>Software developers should be like
the ideal GNU developer: work for free for endless hours, and
work as pizza delivery man to feed your family.
So you still don't understand about selling other services on the back
of the SW.
Other services like sys admin possibly. But designing a web for someone
and that web being put on linux is not really "developing sw for linux".

Oracle is precisely the software that confirms it: linux is for servers.
OBVIOUSLY you will find all data bases, (excluding Microsoft SQL server
maybe) represented under linux.

But tell me what popular games you can buy for linux?
http://www.linuxgames.com/
http://whdb.com/2008/top-25-linux-games-for-2008/
http://icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
There is Microsoft Office clone yes, but developed by SUN
and not for linux!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_office_suites
http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/Lin...lications.html
http://www.linux.org/vendor/software.html

HTH
Jun 27 '08 #52
On Tue, 06 May 2008 23:47:18 +0200, jacob navia wrote:
Ian Collins wrote:
>jacob navia wrote:
>>Dann Corbit wrote:
At connx.com, we make lots of sales (I guess millions of dollars, but
I am not in sales so it is only a guess) to the Linux market.
This confirms what I say:
CONNX - Simplified Data Access Via ODBC, JDBC, OLEDB for RMS, VSAM,
CISAM ... ODBC RMS VSAM CISAM

Another server application. And of course you sell to the
linux/windows AIX, whatever market. Linux is done for servers, as I
said several times, and with each example this gets only confirmed!
You are shifting the goalposts again, you originally posted "Selling
software under Linux is impossible, at least for developers like most
of us." Aren't the people who write server applications "developers
like most of us"?
Big corporations?
No, sorry, most corporations are NOT like small developers. There is a
small size difference :-)
The big company I work for is quite annoyed at the number of small
developers making way too much of OUR money selling add-ons to OUR
customers.

And none of the server software is specifically for linux. It is just
server side software that will run in linux but also in other unices and
windows server 2003!
Our software is Linux specific, though most of the code is written to
the <topicalC </topicaland Posix standards. It's intended to be
sufficiently portable (yay standards!) to move to some future next
big thing without death agony, but right now, it runs nowhere but Linux.

The work of the linux/GNU developer is completely taken from his/her
hands and sold later by other people that make relatively big profits
(SUSE/IBM/RedHat/) At least under the traditional model, the developer
doesn't keep his/her work but he/she receives a salary, normal health
benefits, retirement contribution, etc.
Under the GNU/Linux model, the developer doesn't receive *anything*.

The Redhat engineers I've worked with weren't starving, and I manage
to keep myself in motorcycles and tractors (despite my expensive
dependents. Poodles _never_ grow up and move out). My friends at IBM
have even better motorcycles than I do.

No wonder I did not really like that model, sorry
It would certainly be difficult to create a market for a for-profit
compiler on Linux systems. A company that depended on non-standard
extensions would give up portability; it's hard to imagine any way
for development software to be enough better to be worth that price.
In any case, it's unlikely that development software is even a
noticable percentage of code executed on systems. Applications
are where the money is, because that's where the volume is.
Martin
--
Martin Golding DoD #0236 | fo*****@comcast.net
Always code as if the person who ends up maintaining your code will be a
violent psychopath who knows where you live.
Jun 27 '08 #53
user923005 wrote:
On May 6, 11:24 am, jacob navia <ja...@nospam.comwrote:
>Jacob navia wrote:
But tell me what popular games you can buy for linux?

http://www.linuxgames.com/
OK. I went to that site. I found

------- 19 (nineteen) -----------------
entries.

In those nineteen I found popular "games" like "Wine", the
windows emulator. Obviously running wine allows you to run
more games...

Another entry was an Open GL develomment system, and news like
PC Vendors push for open source device drivers.

Great. True there were a few games in that list (maybe 10).
I did not look at the quality, whatever.

I followed the link to "half life". Last entry in the news page
was from Feb 12th 2003. Five years ago. Most of the links in the
page would not work.

Other links in the "hosted" tab either would not work or
lead to game companies that proposed as minimum requirement
windows XP.

Some links lead not to games but to game development systems,
and in all of them there wasn't something really new...
"XRally" (a car game) had a NEWS section. The last entry
was from 2001.

The only games I found (after some effort) were

"Secret Maryo chronicles" a two dimensional sprite game.
Globulation (strategy)
Dungeons and dragons (text based, no graphics)

and some others.

Like many linux stuff, when you try to really see what is behind those
links, you discover that most of the game developers will not give
their software for free, and that there is no market for games under
linux since neither the people responsible for creating the conditions,
nor linux users have any interest in games.


--
jacob navia
jacob at jacob point remcomp point fr
logiciels/informatique
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32
Jun 27 '08 #54
jacob navia <ja***@nospam.comwrote:
But tell me what popular games you can buy for linux?
Buy? BUY!? NetHack, Advent and Dungeon are free and available for Linux,
and what more does a serious gameplayer need?

Furrfu... children these days... never ascended... never even seen the
dwarves sleeping... what's coming of this world... muttermutter...

Richard
Jun 27 '08 #55
On 7 May 2008 at 8:27, jacob navia wrote:
Like many linux stuff, when you try to really see what is behind those
links, you discover that most of the game developers will not give
their software for free, and that there is no market for games under
linux since neither the people responsible for creating the conditions,
nor linux users have any interest in games.
You raise an excellent point, but I think you draw the wrong conclusion.

I agree that the lack of games is a major stumbling-block for widespread
adoption of Linux on the desktop. In many households, it's the kids who
basically understand and configure the family PC, so if they wanted
Linux then it would probably happen. But the lure of Lora Craft is too
great, and they stick with Windows despite the Linux cool factor.

It's funny how things work out - MS thought that Office or .NET or one
of their flagship products would be the killer app that kept people
using their operating system... but in fact, it's shoot-em-ups and RPGs
as well.

But the future is not so certain. Firstly, there is a move (possibly
because of "piracy" concerns) to release games only on the consoles, not
for PC at all - e.g. GTA IV, which is in the news at the moment. If that
happens then within a few years Windows will fade as a platform for
games.

Secondly, if PC games do have a future, then as Linux grows year by year
there will be more and more of a market for games on Linux, and that
could well drive games producers to experiment with Linux versions.
OpenGL and the LSB and other standardization efforts will help make it
viable.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

Jun 27 '08 #56
On 7 May 2008 at 8:44, Richard Bos wrote:
Buy? BUY!? NetHack, Advent and Dungeon are free and available for Linux,
and what more does a serious gameplayer need?

Furrfu... children these days... never ascended... never even seen the
dwarves sleeping... what's coming of this world... muttermutter...
Lots of modern interactive fiction, too (I still think of them as text
adventures, but I suppose that shows my age)... Just get yourself a
z-code interpreter like Frotz and the door opens to gems like Graham
Nelson's Curses (oh, sorry, curses is supposedly off-topic here!), Emily
Short's stuff, and "So Far", not to mention the original Zork trilogy
and HHGTTG.

Jun 27 '08 #57
"Antoninus Twink" <no****@nospam.invalidschrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:sl*******************@nospam.invalid...
On 7 May 2008 at 8:44, Richard Bos wrote:
>Buy? BUY!? NetHack, Advent and Dungeon are free and available for Linux,
and what more does a serious gameplayer need?

Furrfu... children these days... never ascended... never even seen the
dwarves sleeping... what's coming of this world... muttermutter...

Lots of modern interactive fiction, too (I still think of them as text
adventures, but I suppose that shows my age)... Just get yourself a
z-code interpreter like Frotz and the door opens to gems like Graham
Nelson's Curses (oh, sorry, curses is supposedly off-topic here!),
Well, as off-topic as this thread has developned, curses os almost back to
topic 8-)

Bye, Jojo
Jun 27 '08 #58
user923005 <dc*****@connx.comwrites:
On May 6, 11:24Â*am, jacob navia <ja...@nospam.comwrote:
>Eligiusz Narutowicz wrote:
What succesful SW? And please do no say "oracle".
>>Software developers should be like
the ideal GNU developer: work for free for endless hours, and
work as pizza delivery man to feed your family.
So you still don't understand about selling other services on the back
of the SW.
Other services like sys admin possibly. But designing a web for someone
and that web being put on linux is not really "developing sw for linux".

Oracle is precisely the software that confirms it: linux is for servers.
OBVIOUSLY you will find all data bases, (excluding Microsoft SQL server
maybe) represented under linux.

But tell me what popular games you can buy for linux?

http://www.linuxgames.com/
This is a joke I think.
http://whdb.com/2008/top-25-linux-games-for-2008/
Maybe 10 years back then yes.
http://icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
Are you joking here? Seriously joking?
>
>There is Microsoft Office clone yes, but developed by SUN
and not for linux!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_office_suites
http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/Lin...lications.html
http://www.linux.org/vendor/software.html

HTH
Jun 27 '08 #59
On May 7, 1:44*am, r...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
jacob navia <ja...@nospam.comwrote:
But tell me what popular games you can buy for linux?

Buy? BUY!? NetHack, Advent and Dungeon are free and available for Linux,
and what more does a serious gameplayer need?

Furrfu... children these days... never ascended... never even seen the
dwarves sleeping... what's coming of this world... muttermutter...
Actually, that argument solidifies Jacob's point:
It is hard to sell commercial software on Linux.

And (to some degree) there is a lot of validity in his argument.

Especially with something like a C compiler, it would be a tough
sell. His "LCC For Linux" would have to compete with the GCC tool
chain. How easy will it be to have a large value added in that
environment?

There are clearly a lot more games available for Windows. If the
majority of quality Linux games are also free (which seems to be your
point), then we are competing against free in that market, and that is
a tough sell. Why will a game developer spend a large effort porting
to an arena where the competition has a cost of $0.00 and the
potential market is much smaller in total as well?

The kind of products that we produce for Linux have very little
competition and the free alternatives are very shaky. So our value
add is an obvious easy sell. But there may well be areas in Linux
that are a waste of time to attempt to penetrate.

So I guess the real answer for "Should you try to sell commercial
Linux products?" is "It depends on what you are selling."
But the same sort of things also happen on the Windows platform. It
is not uncommon for some major tool system to get subsumed by
Microsoft and given away. If your company has spent a boatload of
money developing a competitor to the tool that got subsumed, you are
hung out to dry.
Jun 27 '08 #60
user923005 <dc*****@connx.comwrote:
On May 7, 1:44=A0am, r...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
jacob navia <ja...@nospam.comwrote:
But tell me what popular games you can buy for linux?
Buy? BUY!? NetHack, Advent and Dungeon are free and available for Linux,
and what more does a serious gameplayer need?

Furrfu... children these days... never ascended... never even seen the
dwarves sleeping... what's coming of this world... muttermutter...

Actually, that argument solidifies Jacob's point:
It is hard to sell commercial software on Linux.
Not really, because the same games are equally free on Windows.
Especially with something like a C compiler, it would be a tough
sell. His "LCC For Linux" would have to compete with the GCC tool
chain. How easy will it be to have a large value added in that
environment?
And back on topic, several C compilers, too, are free under Windows. So
how could anyone sell them? But jacob does. So he himself is a counter-
argument for his own point.

Richard
Jun 27 '08 #61

This thread has been closed and replies have been disabled. Please start a new discussion.

Similar topics

0
by: Charles Arthur | last post by:
How do i turn on java script on a villaon, callus and itel keypad mobile phone
0
BarryA
by: BarryA | last post by:
What are the essential steps and strategies outlined in the Data Structures and Algorithms (DSA) roadmap for aspiring data scientists? How can individuals effectively utilize this roadmap to progress...
1
by: Sonnysonu | last post by:
This is the data of csv file 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 2 3 2 3 3 the lengths should be different i have to store the data by column-wise with in the specific length. suppose the i have to...
0
marktang
by: marktang | last post by:
ONU (Optical Network Unit) is one of the key components for providing high-speed Internet services. Its primary function is to act as an endpoint device located at the user's premises. However,...
0
Oralloy
by: Oralloy | last post by:
Hello folks, I am unable to find appropriate documentation on the type promotion of bit-fields when using the generalised comparison operator "<=>". The problem is that using the GNU compilers,...
0
jinu1996
by: jinu1996 | last post by:
In today's digital age, having a compelling online presence is paramount for businesses aiming to thrive in a competitive landscape. At the heart of this digital strategy lies an intricately woven...
0
by: Hystou | last post by:
Overview: Windows 11 and 10 have less user interface control over operating system update behaviour than previous versions of Windows. In Windows 11 and 10, there is no way to turn off the Windows...
0
tracyyun
by: tracyyun | last post by:
Dear forum friends, With the development of smart home technology, a variety of wireless communication protocols have appeared on the market, such as Zigbee, Z-Wave, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc. Each...
0
agi2029
by: agi2029 | last post by:
Let's talk about the concept of autonomous AI software engineers and no-code agents. These AIs are designed to manage the entire lifecycle of a software development project—planning, coding, testing,...

By using Bytes.com and it's services, you agree to our Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.

To disable or enable advertisements and analytics tracking please visit the manage ads & tracking page.