very much new to c need ur help

[cool_ratikagupta]

hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the tips
to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best in
watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me out in
improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in c
lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in c . as
programming is best when u use less memory space n less ilterations.

[Joe Wright]

co**************@rediff.com wrote:

hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the tips
to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best in
watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me out in
improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in c
lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in c . as
programming is best when u use less memory space n less ilterations.

First, spell out your words in proper English, capitalize the personal
pronoun, instead of 'u', spell out 'you'. Instead of 'plz' spell out
'please' please. Turn on the spell checker. We don't know from 'lanuage'
or 'watever' or 'techer'.

Otherwise, welcome to the comp.lang.c newsgroup.

--
Joe Wright
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
--- Albert Einstein ---

[santosh]

In article <11**********************@e9g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
co**************@rediff.com <co**************@rediff.comwrote on
Sunday 11 Nov 2007 10:05 pm:

hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the tips
to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best in
watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me out in
improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in c
lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in c . as
programming is best when u use less memory space n less ilterations.

Practise.

Post any problems along with source here.

PS. Do practise your English composition skills too. It'll be even more
important than C in the long run.

[CBFalconer]

"co**************@rediff.com" wrote:

>
hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the
tips to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best
in watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me
out in improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in
c lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in
c . as programming is best when u use less memory space n less
ilterations.

You might start by improving your punctuation and spelling. The
shift key exists for a reason. 'u' has not posted here for ages.
The first person pronoun is spelled 'I'. 'plz' is totally
unknown. m and n are not English words. Mistakes are
understandable, but these are deliberate foulups.

--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

[Keith Thompson]

"co**************@rediff.com" <co**************@rediff.comwrites:

hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the tips
to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best in
watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me out in
improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in c
lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in c . as
programming is best when u use less memory space n less ilterations.

If you're already familiar with the basics, I recommend the
comp.lang.c FAQ, www.c-faq.com.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks***@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Looking for software development work in the San Diego area.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

[santosh]

In article <47***************@yahoo.com>, CBFalconer
<cb********@yahoo.comwrote on Monday 12 Nov 2007 12:00 am:

"co**************@rediff.com" wrote:

>>
hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the
tips to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best
in watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me
out in improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in
c lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in
c . as programming is best when u use less memory space n less
ilterations.

You might start by improving your punctuation and spelling. The
shift key exists for a reason. 'u' has not posted here for ages.
The first person pronoun is spelled 'I'. 'plz' is totally
unknown. m and n are not English words. Mistakes are
understandable, but these are deliberate foulups.

Many people from the world of SMS, Web forums and Chatrooms are
unfamiliar with the rather high standards of the technical groups on
Usenet.

[Ark Khasin]

santosh wrote:

In article <47***************@yahoo.com>, CBFalconer
<cb********@yahoo.comwrote on Monday 12 Nov 2007 12:00 am:

>"co**************@rediff.com" wrote:

>>hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the
tips to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best
in watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me
out in improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in
c lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in
c . as programming is best when u use less memory space n less
ilterations.

You might start by improving your punctuation and spelling. The
shift key exists for a reason. 'u' has not posted here for ages.
The first person pronoun is spelled 'I'. 'plz' is totally
unknown. m and n are not English words. Mistakes are
understandable, but these are deliberate foulups.

Many people from the world of SMS, Web forums and Chatrooms are
unfamiliar with the rather high standards of the technical groups on
Usenet.

<OT>Prolly by respecting proper use of the language we (u and i) betray
our age? ;-) No flames plz. :-) </OT>

[Richard Heathfield]

santosh said:

In article <47***************@yahoo.com>, CBFalconer
<cb********@yahoo.comwrote on Monday 12 Nov 2007 12:00 am:

>"co**************@rediff.com" wrote:

>>>
hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the
tips to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best
in watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me
out in improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in
c lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in
c . as programming is best when u use less memory space n less
ilterations.

You might start by improving your punctuation and spelling. The
shift key exists for a reason. 'u' has not posted here for ages.
The first person pronoun is spelled 'I'. 'plz' is totally
unknown. m and n are not English words. Mistakes are
understandable, but these are deliberate foulups.

Many people from the world of SMS, Web forums and Chatrooms are
unfamiliar with the rather high standards of the technical groups on
Usenet.

Many people from the world of English are unfamiliar with the patois du
jour of SMS, Web forums and Chatrooms. The onus for communicating clearly
is on those who have most to gain from the communication. If
co**************@rediff.com wishes to seek advice from C experts (which is
how I have chosen to interpret his posting of "i want to be the best in
watever i do" in this newsgroup), he would do well to learn how to
communicate effectively with them. If he is satisfied with the kind of
experts you get in other fora, well, that's his choice.

For what it's worth, when I use SMS, I write in English. When I use IRC
(which is very rare nowadays), I write in English. When I contribute to a
Web forum, I write in English. I have no idea why others do otherwise. I
have heard the claim that it's too difficult to compose and type English
properly at the kind of speed that prevails in some IRC channels, but this
is not in keeping with my experience. (In fact, on several occasions in
IRC conversations I have anticipated a follow-up question and typed a
long, detailed, precise, accurate, and properly-written reply to it,
posting it two or three seconds *before* the questioner has finished
typing the question in halting "13375p34k" or "txt", from which I conclude
that short cuts make for long delays.)

--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999

[santosh]

In article <Iq******************************@bt.com>, Richard Heathfield
<rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote on Monday 12 Nov 2007 12:45 pm:

santosh said:

>In article <47***************@yahoo.com>, CBFalconer
<cb********@yahoo.comwrote on Monday 12 Nov 2007 12:00 am:

>>"co**************@rediff.com" wrote:

hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the
tips to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best
in watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me
out in improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in
c lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in
c . as programming is best when u use less memory space n less
ilterations.

You might start by improving your punctuation and spelling. The
shift key exists for a reason. 'u' has not posted here for ages.
The first person pronoun is spelled 'I'. 'plz' is totally
unknown. m and n are not English words. Mistakes are
understandable, but these are deliberate foulups.

Many people from the world of SMS, Web forums and Chatrooms are
unfamiliar with the rather high standards of the technical groups on
Usenet.

Many people from the world of English are unfamiliar with the patois
du jour of SMS, Web forums and Chatrooms. The onus for communicating
clearly is on those who have most to gain from the communication. If
co**************@rediff.com wishes to seek advice from C experts
(which is how I have chosen to interpret his posting of "i want to be
the best in watever i do" in this newsgroup), he would do well to
learn how to communicate effectively with them. If he is satisfied
with the kind of experts you get in other fora, well, that's his
choice.

I was raising a point against CBFalconer's assertion that the post was a
deliberate foul-up. It's certainly a foul-up but I would
replace "deliberate" with "ignorant", at least until it's established
that the OP was trolling.

For what it's worth, when I use SMS, I write in English.

As do I, one the rare occasions that I find myself using SMS.

Apparently SMS is charged by the character, so abbreviations are
tolerable there. But it soon gets to be a nasty habit contaminating all
written communication.

When I use IRC (which is very rare nowadays), I write in English. When
I contribute to a Web forum, I write in English. I have no idea why
others do otherwise.

This has been of mild bemusement to me too, over the years.

I have heard the claim that it's too difficult to
compose and type English properly at the kind of speed that prevails
in some IRC channels, but this is not in keeping with my experience.

And if everyone typed in proper English there would be no need for these
silly abbreviations. Granted bandwidth usage would increase by a
fraction, but I doubt that it's of concern to even dial-up modem users.

Barring exceptional cases I can't think of any benefits in using these
abbreviations.

[Richard Bos]

santosh <sa*********@gmail.comwrote:

In article <47***************@yahoo.com>, CBFalconer
<cb********@yahoo.comwrote on Monday 12 Nov 2007 12:00 am:

"co**************@rediff.com" wrote:

>
hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the
tips to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best
in watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me
out in improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in
c lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in
c . as programming is best when u use less memory space n less
ilterations.

You might start by improving your punctuation and spelling. The
shift key exists for a reason. 'u' has not posted here for ages.
The first person pronoun is spelled 'I'. 'plz' is totally
unknown. m and n are not English words. Mistakes are
understandable, but these are deliberate foulups.

Many people from the world of SMS, Web forums and Chatrooms are
unfamiliar with the rather high standards of the technical groups on
Usenet.

....and job applications. At his current language skills, I would not
even employ the OP to blow the dust out of phone lines, let alone to do
a job where he's supposed to communicate with people. Not knowing about
correct spelling is one thing; not _caring_ quite another.

Richard

[sweet rati]

On Nov 11, 10:33 pm, Joe Wright <[e-mail]:

[e-mail] wrote:

hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the tips
to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best in
watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me out in
improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in c
lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in c . as
programming is best when u use less memory space n less ilterations.

First, spell out your words in proper English, capitalize the personal
pronoun, instead of 'u', spell out 'you'. Instead of 'plz' spell out
'please' please. Turn on the spell checker. We don't know from 'lanuage'
or 'watever' or 'techer'.

Otherwise, welcome to the comp.lang.c newsgroup.

--
Joe Wright
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
--- Albert Einstein ---

thank you for correcting me where i was wrong . actually i was not
aware of this . i came to know about Google newsgroups from my book as
newsgroups is one of the topic which is taught to us in our college.

[sweet rati]

On Nov 11, 11:09 pm, santosh <[e-mail]:

In article <[e-mail]. com>,
[e-mail] <[e-mail] on
Sunday 11 Nov 2007 10:05 pm:

hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the tips
to make myself strong in c language . as i want to be the best in
whatever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me out in
improving my c .plz(please) guide me as a teacher . to do my best in c
language . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in c . as
programming is best when u use less memory space n less iterations.

Practise.

Post any problems along with source here.

PS. Do practise your English composition skills too. It'll be even more
important than C in the long run.

I have problem in link list . Nowadays they have became night mares to
me. i tried a lot to improve my concepts of link list but got no
benefit out of that . i m using books "c in depth " and a book by
"yasvant karnetkar"by they didn't helped me out but confused me a lot.

[ratika]

On Nov 11, 11:30 pm, CBFalconer <[e-mail]:

"[e-mail]" wrote:

hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the
tips to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best
in watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me
out in improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in
c lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in
c . as programming is best when u use less memory space n less
ilterations.

You might start by improving your punctuation and spelling. The
shift key exists for a reason. 'u' has not posted here for ages.
The first person pronoun is spelled 'I'. 'plz' is totally
unknown. m and n are not English words. Mistakes are
understandable, but these are deliberate foulups.

--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

thank you so much fro correcting me I would remember it from next time

[Ben Bacarisse]

sweet rati <co**************@rediff.comwrites:

On Nov 11, 11:09 pm, santosh <[e-mail]:

<snip>

>Post any problems along with source here.

I have problem in link list.

Note "along with source". Posting code here is a bit scary (you might
get *lots* of comments and some might be rather blunt) but grit your
teeth and post an example you are having problems with. Even if your
code is very basic, it helps people here know what sort of help you
need.

--
Ben.

[Richard]

sweet rati <co**************@rediff.comwrites:

On Nov 11, 11:09 pm, santosh <[e-mail]:

>In article <[e-mail]. com>,
[e-mail] <[e-mail] on
Sunday 11 Nov 2007 10:05 pm:

hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the tips
to make myself strong in c language . as i want to be the best in
whatever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me out in
improving my c .plz(please) guide me as a teacher . to do my best in c
language . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in c . as
programming is best when u use less memory space n less iterations.

Practise.

Post any problems along with source here.

PS. Do practise your English composition skills too. It'll be even more
important than C in the long run.

I have problem in link list . Nowadays they have became night mares to
me. i tried a lot to improve my concepts of link list but got no
benefit out of that . i m using books "c in depth " and a book by
"yasvant karnetkar"by they didn't helped me out but confused me a lot.

I would suggest using google to find more examples. Read. And re-read.
It will come to you.

http://www.vpg.vil.ee/~michael/C_tutorial/lists.html
Here is a very easy to understand tutorial:

http://stsdas.stsci.edu/bps/linked_list.html

If you do not understand this then you might need to rewind and learn
the C basics from K&R2 or some such.

[Charlton Wilbur]

>>>>"s" == santosh <sa*********@gmail.comwrites:

sBarring exceptional cases I can't think of any benefits in
susing these abbreviations.

It marks you as a member of a certain group.

Ages ago, when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I migrated from BITNET
RELAY to this newfangled thing called IRC, people used to say hello
every time their irc server reestablished its network connection.
This got shortened to 'rehi' and eventually to 're,' and after a
while, the IRC old timers greeted each other with 're.' Until someone
somewhere noticed it was going on, and told newcomers that the way to
say hello on IRC was to say 're,' at which point the old timers
stopped using it and it became a mark of novices or people trying too
hard to be cool.

This is the same sort of thing: someone has misinformed the original
poster that all the cool people on Usenet speak gibberish, so he's
trying to mark himself as a cool person. It hampers his communication
significantly, mais il faut souffrir pour etre belle.

Charlton
--
Charlton Wilbur
cw*****@chromatico.net

[Ben Pfaff]

Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

For what it's worth, when I use SMS, I write in English. When I use IRC
(which is very rare nowadays), I write in English. When I contribute to a
Web forum, I write in English. I have no idea why others do otherwise.

My wife teaches middle-school English (children approximately
ages 11 to 13). A surprising number of students try to turn in
homework assignments written in SMSese. These students are
summarily told to rewrite them in English.
--
Ben Pfaff
http://benpfaff.org

[santosh]

In article <11**********************@v29g2000prd.googlegroups .com>,
sweet rati <co**************@rediff.comwrote on Monday 12 Nov 2007
7:15 pm:

On Nov 11, 10:33 pm, Joe Wright <[e-mail]:

>[e-mail] wrote:

hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the
tips to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best
in watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me
out in improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in
c lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in c
. as programming is best when u use less memory space n less
ilterations.

First, spell out your words in proper English, capitalize the
personal pronoun, instead of 'u', spell out 'you'. Instead of 'plz'
spell out 'please' please. Turn on the spell checker. We don't know
from 'lanuage' or 'watever' or 'techer'.

Otherwise, welcome to the comp.lang.c newsgroup.

--
Joe Wright
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
--- Albert Einstein ---

One more small point. Snip signatures unless you're commenting on them.
They are the text that follows the signature delimiter: '-- '.

thank you for correcting me where i was wrong . actually i was not
aware of this . i came to know about Google newsgroups from my book as
newsgroups is one of the topic which is taught to us in our college.

Actually Usenet existed before the WWW and *much* before Google. It's a
distributed network of "servers" and their "clients".

Google, as a part of Google Groups, provides a web based "interface" to
it's Usenet servers. Now there is nothing inherently wrong with a web
based interface to Usenet but it has been observed that it encourages
top-posting and spamming.

The conventional method to access Usenet before web based interfaces
became popular, is to use a newsreader program and get a connection
(free or paid), to a news server.

Some newsreaders are Thunderbird, KNode, Pan, slrn, tin, trn, Gnus etc.,
while two free Usenet servers are offered by motzarella.org and
aioe.org.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups>

Now coming to your problem, what exactly about linked lists confuses
you? Is the concept or an implementation? If you are having trouble
properly implementing a linked list in C then please show us your
attempt and state your problem in more detail. Copy and Paste the code
and use spaces instead of tabs for indentation.

[Keith Thompson]

rl*@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) writes:

santosh <sa*********@gmail.comwrote:

[...]

>Many people from the world of SMS, Web forums and Chatrooms are
unfamiliar with the rather high standards of the technical groups on
Usenet.

...and job applications. At his current language skills, I would not
even employ the OP to blow the dust out of phone lines, let alone to do
a job where he's supposed to communicate with people. Not knowing about
correct spelling is one thing; not _caring_ quite another.

A single posting isn't enough to tell us anything about the OP's
language skills. Followups show that the OP does have considerably
better language skills than exhibited in the original post; he/she
just chose not to use them.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks***@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Looking for software development work in the San Diego area.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

[Golden California Girls]

Ben Pfaff wrote:

Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

>For what it's worth, when I use SMS, I write in English. When I use IRC
(which is very rare nowadays), I write in English. When I contribute to a
Web forum, I write in English. I have no idea why others do otherwise.

My wife teaches middle-school English (children approximately
ages 11 to 13). A surprising number of students try to turn in
homework assignments written in SMSese. These students are
summarily told to rewrite them in English.

That is incorrect. They should be given them back with a large F across the top
and an attached recommendation for remedial English class with a note to see a
counselor and schedule a parent teacher conference. When you allow them a
second shot at doing the work you don't teach them the facts of life, there is
no second chance at a first impression. Can you see them later in life filling
out an employment application in SMSese? Can you see society giving them
welfare because they can't write English? Nip it in the bud and 99% of them
will become productive members of society.

Not that I know how to teach mind you.

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <fh**********@registered.motzarella.org>,
santosh <sa*********@gmail.comwrote:
....

>I have heard the claim that it's too difficult to
compose and type English properly at the kind of speed that prevails
in some IRC channels, but this is not in keeping with my experience.

I will grant that RH is well educated and a native speaker of English.
Many are not so fortunate.

>And if everyone typed in proper English there would be no need for these
silly abbreviations. Granted bandwidth usage would increase by a
fraction, but I doubt that it's of concern to even dial-up modem users.

Barring exceptional cases I can't think of any benefits in using these
abbreviations.

In most cases, it's the only English they know. If not for SMS speak,
they'd be posting in their native language (some Indian dialect, or, if
we're lucky, Hindi)

[Charlie Gordon]

"santosh" <sa*********@gmail.coma écrit dans le message de news:
fh**********@registered.motzarella.org...

In article <Iq******************************@bt.com>, Richard Heathfield
<rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote on Monday 12 Nov 2007 12:45 pm:

>santosh said:

>>In article <47***************@yahoo.com>, CBFalconer
<cb********@yahoo.comwrote on Monday 12 Nov 2007 12:00 am:

"co**************@rediff.com" wrote:
>
hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the
tips to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best
in watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me
out in improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in
c lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in
c . as programming is best when u use less memory space n less
ilterations.

You might start by improving your punctuation and spelling. The
shift key exists for a reason. 'u' has not posted here for ages.
The first person pronoun is spelled 'I'. 'plz' is totally
unknown. m and n are not English words. Mistakes are
understandable, but these are deliberate foulups.

Many people from the world of SMS, Web forums and Chatrooms are
unfamiliar with the rather high standards of the technical groups on
Usenet.

Many people from the world of English are unfamiliar with the patois
du jour of SMS, Web forums and Chatrooms. The onus for communicating
clearly is on those who have most to gain from the communication. If
co**************@rediff.com wishes to seek advice from C experts
(which is how I have chosen to interpret his posting of "i want to be
the best in watever i do" in this newsgroup), he would do well to
learn how to communicate effectively with them. If he is satisfied
with the kind of experts you get in other fora, well, that's his
choice.

I was raising a point against CBFalconer's assertion that the post was a
deliberate foul-up. It's certainly a foul-up but I would
replace "deliberate" with "ignorant", at least until it's established
that the OP was trolling.

>For what it's worth, when I use SMS, I write in English.

As do I, one the rare occasions that I find myself using SMS.

Apparently SMS is charged by the character, so abbreviations are
tolerable there. But it soon gets to be a nasty habit contaminating all
written communication.

That's not the real reason: SMS is charged by the message, itself limited in
size to about 160 characters. Telegrams used to be charged by the word, and
prompted the telegraphese style where one only keeps meaningful words and
drops articles, prepositions, verbs...

What prompted SMSese is more likely the awkwardness of the input medium: the
cell phone keypad. Typing u instead of you is indeed much quicker and
simpler. If people posted on Usenet from regular cell-phones (no
blackberries ;-) SMSese would become ubiquitousm and no amount of ranting
would stop it. Thankfully, most posters do it from PCs, so we can try and
enforce a minimum of style, and stop this nasty contamination.

--
Chqrlie.

[Charlie Gordon]

"Ben Pfaff" <bl*@cs.stanford.edua écrit dans le message de news:
87************@blp.benpfaff.org...

Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

>For what it's worth, when I use SMS, I write in English. When I use IRC
(which is very rare nowadays), I write in English. When I contribute to a
Web forum, I write in English. I have no idea why others do otherwise.

My wife teaches middle-school English (children approximately
ages 11 to 13). A surprising number of students try to turn in
homework assignments written in SMSese. These students are
summarily told to rewrite them in English.

Do they submit them via email ?

--
Chqrlie.

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <47***********************@news.free.fr>,
Charlie Gordon <ne**@chqrlie.orgwrote:

>"Ben Pfaff" <bl*@cs.stanford.edua écrit dans le message de news:
87************@blp.benpfaff.org...

>Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

>>For what it's worth, when I use SMS, I write in English. When I use IRC
(which is very rare nowadays), I write in English. When I contribute to a
Web forum, I write in English. I have no idea why others do otherwise.

My wife teaches middle-school English (children approximately
ages 11 to 13). A surprising number of students try to turn in
homework assignments written in SMSese. These students are
summarily told to rewrite them in English.

Do they submit them via email ?

No, by cell phone...

[CBFalconer]

sweet rati wrote:

Joe Wright <[e-mail]:

>[e-mail] wrote:

.... snip ...

>>
Otherwise, welcome to the comp.lang.c newsgroup.

--
Joe Wright
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
--- Albert Einstein ---

thank you for correcting me where i was wrong . actually i was not
aware of this . i came to know about Google newsgroups from my book as
newsgroups is one of the topic which is taught to us in our college.

Sounds as if you are the same person as cool_ratikagu. Don't
change your name. It causes more confusion. Do capitalize first
letters in sentences, and the personal pronoun 'I'. Do snip
anything in quotes that is not relevant to your reply, which
especially includes sigs. Sigs are everything following the "-- "
sig marker.

--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.

--
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[Joachim Schmitz]

"CBFalconer" <cb********@yahoo.comschrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:47***************@yahoo.com...

Do snip
anything in quotes that is not relevant to your reply, which
especially includes sigs. Sigs are everything following the "-- "
sig marker.

The first or the last?

--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Bye, Jojo

[Mark McIntyre]

Joachim Schmitz wrote:

"CBFalconer" <cb********@yahoo.comschrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:47***************@yahoo.com...

>Do snip
anything in quotes that is not relevant to your reply, which
especially includes sigs. Sigs are everything following the "-- "
sig marker.

The first or the last?

Thats like saying, "which null is the end of the string, the first or
the last ?".

Axiomatically there /is/ only one sig marker. Everything after that is
not part of the message.

[Joachim Schmitz]

"Mark McIntyre" <ma**********@spamcop.netschrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:Og******************@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...

Joachim Schmitz wrote:

>"CBFalconer" <cb********@yahoo.comschrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:47***************@yahoo.com...

>>Do snip
anything in quotes that is not relevant to your reply, which
especially includes sigs. Sigs are everything following the "-- "
sig marker.

The first or the last?

Thats like saying, "which null is the end of the string, the first or the
last ?".

Axiomatically there /is/ only one sig marker. Everything after that is not
part of the message.

My question was a subtle (and apparently too subtle) hint at Chuck's too
long double sig.
He, who refuses to get that fixed, still gives advice to others to fix their
postings.

[Tarique]

Richard Heathfield wrote:
...snip..

>If
co**************@rediff.com wishes to seek advice from C experts (which is
how I have chosen to interpret his posting of "i want to be the best in
watever i do" in this newsgroup), he would do well to learn how to
communicate effectively with them. If he is satisfied with the kind of
experts you get in other fora, well, that's his choice.

Just to correct you,Ratika(Its an Indian name) seems to be a *she* ,a
rarity in this ng!

--
C is quirky, flawed, and an enormous success.
—Dennis Ritchie

[Keith Thompson]

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
[...]

My question was a subtle (and apparently too subtle) hint at Chuck's
too long double sig. He, who refuses to get that fixed, still gives
advice to others to fix their postings.

And, as it happens, his advice is usually correct.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) <ks***@mib.org>
Looking for software development work in the San Diego area.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

[Richard Heathfield]

Keith Thompson said:

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
[...]

>My question was a subtle (and apparently too subtle) hint at Chuck's
too long double sig. He, who refuses to get that fixed, still gives
advice to others to fix their postings.

And, as it happens, his advice is usually correct.

Actually, in my experience Chuck's advice is /not/ "usually correct". It is
/often/ correct, true - but his mistakes are not as few and far between as
we all would wish. And his most common mistake is that of giving advice to
others that he is not prepared to take himself.

--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999

[Richard]

Mark McIntyre <ma**********@spamcop.netwrites:

Joachim Schmitz wrote:

>"CBFalconer" <cb********@yahoo.comschrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:47***************@yahoo.com...

>>Do snip
anything in quotes that is not relevant to your reply, which
especially includes sigs. Sigs are everything following the "-- "
sig marker.

The first or the last?

Thats like saying, "which null is the end of the string, the first or
the last ?".

Axiomatically there /is/ only one sig marker. Everything after that is
not part of the message.

The sig is measured from the bottom of the page. Everyone knows that.
And is why two of the oldest, most stable newsreaders don't correctly
snip that idiots double signature. He has been pointed to numerous free
usenet services but is too full of himself and his own self importance
to heed the advice.

[Keith Thompson]

Richard Heathfield wrote:

Keith Thompson said:

>Joachim Schmitz wrote:
[...]

>>My question was a subtle (and apparently too subtle) hint at Chuck's
too long double sig. He, who refuses to get that fixed, still gives
advice to others to fix their postings.

And, as it happens, his advice is usually correct.

Actually, in my experience Chuck's advice is /not/ "usually correct". It is
/often/ correct, true - but his mistakes are not as few and far between as
we all would wish. And his most common mistake is that of giving advice to
others that he is not prepared to take himself.

The latter is not the kind of "mistake" I'm talking about. By
"correct", I merely mean "factually correct".

To put it differently, most of the advice Chuck gives would be
considered correct and unobjectionable (except to the trolls) were it
not for his signature issue.

(And let's not start yet another long discussion about this.)

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) <ks***@mib.org>
Looking for software development work in the San Diego area.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

[Richard Heathfield]

Keith Thompson said:

<snip>

To put it differently, most of the advice Chuck gives would be
considered correct and unobjectionable (except to the trolls) were it
not for his signature issue.

Do the math.

(And let's not start yet another long discussion about this.)

Hear hear.

--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999

[Walter Roberson]

In article <fg***********@news.individual.net>,
Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:

>Mark McIntyre <ma**********@spamcop.netwrites:

>Axiomatically there /is/ only one sig marker. Everything after that is
not part of the message.

>The sig is measured from the bottom of the page. Everyone knows that.

Citation? Because that's not what the Usenet RFC's say.
--
"I was very young in those days, but I was also rather dim."
-- Christopher Priest

[Richard]

ro******@ibd.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Walter Roberson) writes:

In article <fg***********@news.individual.net>,
Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:

>>Mark McIntyre <ma**********@spamcop.netwrites:

>>Axiomatically there /is/ only one sig marker. Everything after that is
not part of the message.

>>The sig is measured from the bottom of the page. Everyone knows that.

Citation? Because that's not what the Usenet RFC's say.

Sigh.

Forget it.

3 possibilities:

(a) slrn and gnus (to name but 2) get rewritten/changed to cope with Mr
CBFalconer's double signature or
(b) he moves to a new server which doesn't add that ridiculous spam or
(c) he removes his signature asking for work.

The point is this : his and only his posts break the signature clipping.

It also makes MUCH more sense to clip from the bottom going up. I won't
argue the toss with you as to why but the most obvious thing is that IF
someone with signature inadvertently puts a sig delimiter in the message
body then it wont be snipped there.

Common sense. Common decency. Simple really.

Why you would defend something so idiotic yet trivial is a surprise to
me.

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <4q************@news.individual.net>,
Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:
....

>Common sense. Common decency. Simple really.

Why you would defend something so idiotic yet trivial is a surprise to
me.

No, it's not (that much of surprise, considering the source).

[Old Wolf]

On Nov 19, 11:57 am, Richard <[e-mail]:

You dont seem to get it : I dont care what the RFC says. I do care that
his sigs break some news readers and end up getting requoted. Common
sense over anal retentive I guess.

Common sense says that if news readers can be broken by
some particular message, then it is a bug in the news reader.

Oh, grow up and stop being so prissy. His double sigs break peoples news
readers. End of subject.

So you think that CBFalconer should modify his posting
habits just to work around a bug in your chosen news
reader?

Who had the ego problem, again?

[Richard]

Old Wolf <ol*****@inspire.net.nzwrites:

On Nov 19, 11:57 am, Richard <[e-mail]:

>You dont seem to get it : I dont care what the RFC says. I do care that
his sigs break some news readers and end up getting requoted. Common
sense over anal retentive I guess.

Common sense says that if news readers can be broken by
some particular message, then it is a bug in the news reader.

"broken" == not snipping his superfluous signature.

>

>Oh, grow up and stop being so prissy. His double sigs break peoples news
readers. End of subject.

So you think that CBFalconer should modify his posting
habits just to work around a bug in your chosen news
reader?

And thousands of others. And nice snipping. slrn/gnus are not "my" news
readers. One of them happens to be one I use.

>
Who had the ego problem, again?

Sorry?

It's not me sticking to some ridiculous double sig despite being asked
nicely to fix it or move to an alternative news service.

An analogy to this would be some bastard of a neighbour who turns his
stereo up every day during the daylight hours because he deems it legal.
This despite the fact that it is incredibly annoying and he has been asked
to turn it down. I must admit I have allowed "Chuck" to get under my
skin on this one primarily because of his constant net nannying of
others and his incredibly arrogant put downs of nOObs and beginners
whenever he can. Yet he does not practice what he preaches.

Still, he is in the killfile now and good riddance IMO.

[Chris Hills]

In article <11**********************@v29g2000prd.googlegroups .com>,
sweet rati <co**************@rediff.comwrites

>On Nov 11, 10:33 pm, Joe Wright <[e-mail]:

>[e-mail] wrote:

hello friends i ha just started learning c can u all give me the tips
to make myself strong in c lanuage . as i want to be the best in
watever i do . so just a request from all of u here plz help me out in
improving my c .plz guide me as a techer . to do my best in c
lanuage . i m clear with the concepts i just want to improve in c . as
programming is best when u use less memory space n less ilterations.

First, spell out your words in proper English, capitalize the personal
pronoun, instead of 'u', spell out 'you'. Instead of 'plz' spell out
'please' please. Turn on the spell checker. We don't know from 'lanuage'
or 'watever' or 'techer'.

Otherwise, welcome to the comp.lang.c newsgroup.

--
Joe Wright
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
--- Albert Einstein ---

thank you for correcting me where i was wrong . actually i was not
aware of this . i came to know about Google newsgroups from my book as
newsgroups is one of the topic which is taught to us in our college.

You are not on Google Newsgroups.

You are on Usenet. Google just does a strange web front end for googol
users. Most of the world does not use google for news.
--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
/\/\/ ch***@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

[Mark McIntyre]

Richard wrote:

Mark McIntyre <ma**********@spamcop.netwrites:

>Joachim Schmitz wrote:

>>"CBFalconer" <cb********@yahoo.comschrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:47***************@yahoo.com...
Do snip
anything in quotes that is not relevant to your reply, which
especially includes sigs. Sigs are everything following the "-- "
sig marker.
The first or the last?

Thats like saying, "which null is the end of the string, the first or
the last ?".

Axiomatically there /is/ only one sig marker. Everything after that is
not part of the message.

The sig is measured from the bottom of the page. Everyone knows that.

Everyone in your fantasy land.

Heck, I hate training new newsreaders. Anyone know how to import
killfiles from Agent to Thunderbird?

[CBFalconer]

Keith Thompson wrote:

CBFalconer wrote:

.... snip ...

>

>Bien. This I can discuss. The point in that code is to process
the char. sequence incoming. In the process it is necessary (once)
to detect error/eof by picking out the special EOF character.
Absent that, it is necessary to have unsigned char values to
satisfy the requirements of such routines as isdigit(), etc. It
also avoids the evils of mixing unsigned and signed values in

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>comparisons, for the range check.

^^^^^^^^^^^

>
getc() returns a result of type int, containing either the character
that was read (as an unsigned char converted to int) or the value EOF.

The is*() functions take an argument of type int, containing either the
character to be tested (as an unsigned char converted to int) or the
value EOF.

See the similarity? Perhaps storing the result in an unsigned object
doesn't mess things up, but it takes far too much effort to prove it.

See the underlined portion above?

--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

[CBFalconer]

pete wrote:

CBFalconer wrote:

.... snip ...

>>
No there isn't. The only values (outside EOF)

EOF is the whole problem.

>stored are those of
input chars. As long as sizeof int 1 there can be no confusion.

It has nothing to do sizeof(int),
and everything to do with when INT_MAX equals UINT_MAX.

If you have
unsigned ch = getc(fp);
and ch is equal to '\0',
then you have no idea whether or not ch is also equal to EOF.

If you look back at the original code the controlling expression is
approximately:

while (EOF != (ch = getc(f))) {
....
}

and everything you are talking about is within the .... where the
value of EOF can never arise.

--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

[santosh]

In article <fi**********@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>, Walter Roberson
<ro******@ibd.nrc-cnrc.gc.cawrote on Thursday 22 Nov 2007 11:18 pm:

In article <5j************@news.individual.net>,
Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:

>>You dont seem to get it : I dont care what the RFC says. I do care
that his sigs break some news readers and end up getting requoted.

I see. You are valuing convenience over correctness.

Also the word "some" is indeed important. I can say that the double sig
is snipped out in it's entirety by KNode, Pan, SeaMonkey and
Thunderbird.

So it's probably not true that CBFalconer's sig is breaking the majority
of newsreaders. It might be that only a few of them (among them slrn
and Gnus), are choking on this.

<snip>

[CBFalconer]

santosh wrote:

Walter Roberson <ro******@ibd.nrc-cnrc.gc.cawrote:

>Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:

>>You dont seem to get it : I dont care what the RFC says. I do
care that his sigs break some news readers and end up getting
requoted.

I see. You are valuing convenience over correctness.

Also the word "some" is indeed important. I can say that the
double sig is snipped out in it's entirety by KNode, Pan,
SeaMonkey and Thunderbird.

Also note that this is all launched by that notorious troll,
<rg****@gmail.com>. Just one of many Richards, but trouble.

--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

[pete]

CBFalconer wrote:

>
pete wrote:

CBFalconer wrote:

... snip ...

>
No there isn't. The only values (outside EOF)

EOF is the whole problem.

stored are those of
input chars. As long as sizeof int 1 there can be no confusion.

It has nothing to do sizeof(int),
and everything to do with when INT_MAX equals UINT_MAX.

If you have
unsigned ch = getc(fp);
and ch is equal to '\0',
then you have no idea whether or not ch is also equal to EOF.

If you look back at the original code the controlling expression is
approximately:

while (EOF != (ch = getc(f))) {
....
}

and everything you are talking about is within the .... where the
value of EOF can never arise.

That's the problem.
getc can return a positive value that compares equal to EOF
and the loop can stop before it's supposed to stop.

If these conditions are true:
CHAR_BIT == 32
sizeof(int) == 2
INT_MAX == 0xffffffff
UINT_MAX == INT_MAX
EOF == ('A' - 1 - (unsigned char)-1)
Then:
(unsigned)EOF compares equal to 'A'.

--
pete

[CBFalconer]

pete wrote:

CBFalconer wrote:

.... snip ...

>

>If you look back at the original code the controlling expression
is approximately:

while (EOF != (ch = getc(f))) {
....
}

and everything you are talking about is within the .... where the
value of EOF can never arise.

That's the problem.
getc can return a positive value that compares equal to EOF
and the loop can stop before it's supposed to stop.

This is ridiculous. You are going on about this and have totally
removed the original code. In passing, note (from N869):

7.19.7.5 The getc function

Synopsis

[#1]
#include <stdio.h>
int getc(FILE *stream);

Description

[#2] The getc function is equivalent to fgetc, except that
if it is implemented as a macro, it may evaluate stream more
than once, so the argument should never be an expression
with side effects.

Returns

[#3] The getc function returns the next character from the
input stream pointed to by stream. If the stream is at end-
of-file, the end-of-file indicator for the stream is set and
getc returns EOF. If a read error occurs, the error
indicator for the stream is set and getc returns EOF.

--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.

--
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[pete]

CBFalconer wrote:

>
pete wrote:

CBFalconer wrote:

... snip ...

If you look back at the original code the controlling expression
is approximately:

while (EOF != (ch = getc(f))) {
....
}

and everything you are talking about is within the .... where the
value of EOF can never arise.

That's the problem.
getc can return a positive value that compares equal to EOF
and the loop can stop before it's supposed to stop.

This is ridiculous. You are going on about this and have totally
removed the original code.

I didn't remove anything.
Your code was from another thread.
Charlie Gordon brought it up in this thread.

Anyhow, under the conditions that I stated previously
and which you snipped,
your loop will stop when getc(f) returns a value of 'A'.
You don't think that's a good way for the loop to operate,
do you?

Here's your code:

unsigned int rdvalue(FILE *f) {
unsigned int ch, value, err;
value = err = 0;
while (EOF != (ch = getc(f))) {
/* ch contains an int, which is the value of the char */
if (!isdigit(ch)) break; /* Only interested in digits */
ch = ch - '0'; /* form digit value */
if (((UINT_MAX - ch) / 10) value) {
/* overflow detected, decide what to do */
ch = ch + '0'; /* restore char value */
break;
}
value = 10 * value + ch;
}
ungetc(ch, f); /* keep exit char for the user */
return err;

} /* untested - you check it out */

Here's the conditions under which your loop will stop
when getc(f) returns a value of 'A':

CHAR_BIT == 32
sizeof(int) == 2
INT_MAX == 0xffffffff
UINT_MAX == INT_MAX
EOF == ('A' - 1 - (unsigned char)-1)

--
pete

[CBFalconer]

pete wrote:

CBFalconer wrote:

.... snip ...

>

>This is ridiculous. You are going on about this and have totally
removed the original code.

I didn't remove anything. Your code was from another thread.
Charlie Gordon brought it up in this thread.

Anyhow, under the conditions that I stated previously and which you
snipped, your loop will stop when getc(f) returns a value of 'A'.
You don't think that's a good way for the loop to operate, do you?

Yes I do. The routine is one to read an integer value from a text
stream. Alpha chars don't belong in that.

Here's your code:

unsigned int rdvalue(FILE *f) {
unsigned int ch, value, err;

value = err = 0;
while (EOF != (ch = getc(f))) {
/* ch contains an int, which is the value of the char */
if (!isdigit(ch)) break; /* Only interested in digits */
ch = ch - '0'; /* form digit value */
if (((UINT_MAX - ch) / 10) value) {
/* overflow detected, decide what to do */
ch = ch + '0'; /* restore char value */
break;
}
value = 10 * value + ch;
}
ungetc(ch, f); /* keep exit char for the user */
return err;
} /* untested - you check it out */

Here's the conditions under which your loop will stop
when getc(f) returns a value of 'A':

Good. That's what is desired. Now fix it to return value, and set
a passed err flag.

--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.

--
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[pete]

CBFalconer wrote:

>
pete wrote:

CBFalconer wrote:

... snip ...

This is ridiculous. You are going on about this and have totally
removed the original code.

I didn't remove anything. Your code was from another thread.
Charlie Gordon brought it up in this thread.

Anyhow, under the conditions that I stated previously and which you
snipped, your loop will stop when getc(f) returns a value of 'A'.
You don't think that's a good way for the loop to operate, do you?

Yes I do. The routine is one to read an integer value from a text
stream. Alpha chars don't belong in that.

Here's your code:

unsigned int rdvalue(FILE *f) {
unsigned int ch, value, err;

value = err = 0;
while (EOF != (ch = getc(f))) {
/* ch contains an int, which is the value of the char */
if (!isdigit(ch)) break; /* Only interested in digits */
ch = ch - '0'; /* form digit value */
if (((UINT_MAX - ch) / 10) value) {
/* overflow detected, decide what to do */
ch = ch + '0'; /* restore char value */
break;
}
value = 10 * value + ch;
}
ungetc(ch, f); /* keep exit char for the user */
return err;
} /* untested - you check it out */

Here's the conditions under which your loop will stop
when getc(f) returns a value of 'A':

Good. That's what is desired. Now fix it to return value, and set
a passed err flag.

It can also stop if getc(f) returns '9'.
You don't think that's a good way for the loop to operate, do you?

Here's the conditions under which your loop will stop
when getc(f) returns a value of '9':

CHAR_BIT == 32
sizeof(int) == 2
INT_MAX == 0xffffffff
UINT_MAX == INT_MAX
EOF == ('9' - 1 - (unsigned char)-1)

--
pete