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jacob navia said:

>santosh said:
>>
Why don't you post this to the Code::Blocks
forum/mailing-list/group/whatever than in here? What has Code::Blocks
to do with this group?

Well, it was a C IDE and C IDEs are on topic...
(Tools)

Actually, it's C that's on topic, not C IDEs. If you are arguing that C
tools are topical, then that would mean that all of the following are
topical:

ar bash ctags doxygen emacs find gcc hexdump indent joe knode lex mysql
nm objdump pico qlib rgbmap sed tar ulimit vim wc xterm yacc zip

since all of them are tools which can be used when writing C programs.
So are thousands, or even millions, of other tools. Lest I be accused
of bias, here are some Windows tools I've used for helping me write C
programs: Notepad, edit, ed, Brief, gvim, MultiEdit, Visual Studio, C++
Builder (yes, you can use it for C too), telnet, Rumba...

....well, that list is endless too, but I'm sure you get the idea. If
discussion of such tools were topical, the group would quickly descend
into a maelstrom of posts that had little or nothing to do with the
language itself.

The topic in comp.lang.c is the comp-uter lang-uage called C. It's very
simple.

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Jul 28 '07 #5

Richard

santosh <sa*********@gmail.comwrites:

jacob navia wrote:

>MOUNTAIN KING wrote:
>>TRY CODEBLOCKS

Multiple compiler support:

GCC (MingW / Linux GCC)
MSVC++
Digital Mars
Borland C++ 5.5
Open Watcom

The Open Source, Cross-platform,
Free C/C++ IDE

OK. I downloaded that stuff.

<long winded bemoan snipped>

Why don't you post this to the Code::Blocks
forum/mailing-list/group/whatever than in here? What has Code::Blocks to do
with this group?

<OT>
I tried Code::Blocks briefly a year back, when I still had a copy of
Windows, and it worked fine. IIRC, an existing installation of gcc (MinGW)
must be present, since Code::Blocks itself is merely an IDE.
</OT>

More worryingly is that support for the biggest "new kid on the block"
is either outdated or non existent (Ubuntu packages).

I wouldn't recommend it to a C nOOb on a Linux platform.

Jul 28 '07 #6

Richard

"Default User" <de***********@yahoo.comwrites:

MOUNTAIN KING wrote:

>>
TRY CODEBLOCKS

*plonk*

Brian

It that on topic? Does anyone really care who YOU *plonk*?

No.

Jul 28 '07 #7

osmium

"santosh" writes:

<snippage>

jacob navia wrote:

>MOUNTAIN KING wrote:

>>TRY CODEBLOCKS

>>The Open Source, Cross-platform,
Free C/C++ IDE

OK. I downloaded that stuff.

<long winded bemoan snipped>

Why don't you post this to the Code::Blocks
forum/mailing-list/group/whatever than in here? What has Code::Blocks to
do
with this group?

What you call a long winded bemoan, I would call a brief, useful, review.
Do you really expect us to find Code Blocks support, register, get our
address on yet another list we don't want to be on, learn the protocol and
wade through what was already there? Let me draw your attention to a book
that is going through a very lengthy review in another thread on this
newsgroup. That too, is a tool of sorts thought to be of interest to C
programmers.

Thanks, Jacob.

--
Osmium

Jul 28 '07 #8

Richard

"osmium" <r1********@comcast.netwrites:

"santosh" writes:

<snippage>

>jacob navia wrote:

>>MOUNTAIN KING wrote:

>>>TRY CODEBLOCKS

>>>The Open Source, Cross-platform,
Free C/C++ IDE
OK. I downloaded that stuff.

<long winded bemoan snipped>

Why don't you post this to the Code::Blocks
forum/mailing-list/group/whatever than in here? What has Code::Blocks to
do
with this group?

What you call a long winded bemoan, I would call a brief, useful, review.
Do you really expect us to find Code Blocks support, register, get our
address on yet another list we don't want to be on, learn the protocol and
wade through what was already there? Let me draw your attention to a book
that is going through a very lengthy review in another thread on this
newsgroup. That too, is a tool of sorts thought to be of interest to C
programmers.

But of course that's not OT because the core element here are enjoying
savaging it.

>
Thanks, Jacob.

Jul 28 '07 #9

santosh

Richard wrote:

santosh <sa*********@gmail.comwrites:

>jacob navia wrote:

>>MOUNTAIN KING wrote:
TRY CODEBLOCKS

Multiple compiler support:

GCC (MingW / Linux GCC)
MSVC++
Digital Mars
Borland C++ 5.5
Open Watcom

The Open Source, Cross-platform,
Free C/C++ IDE
OK. I downloaded that stuff.

<long winded bemoan snipped>

Why don't you post this to the Code::Blocks
forum/mailing-list/group/whatever than in here? What has Code::Blocks to
do with this group?

<OT>
I tried Code::Blocks briefly a year back, when I still had a copy of
Windows, and it worked fine. IIRC, an existing installation of gcc
(MinGW) must be present, since Code::Blocks itself is merely an IDE.
</OT>

More worryingly is that support for the biggest "new kid on the block"
is either outdated or non existent (Ubuntu packages).

I wouldn't recommend it to a C nOOb on a Linux platform.

Yes, I had to hand compile several support libraries before I could even get
it to start.

Jul 28 '07 #10

In article <ti************@gmail.com>, Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:
....

>wade through what was already there? Let me draw your attention to a book
that is going through a very lengthy review in another thread on this
newsgroup. That too, is a tool of sorts thought to be of interest to C
programmers.

But of course that's not OT because the core element here are enjoying
savaging it.

Funny how that works, innit?

P.S. What's really funny is how the core elements worked up this psuedo
with the handle "santosh", to further their whacko position. Think
carefully about how useful it is to have a "core element" poster with a
decidely, shall we say, ethnic sounding name.

Jul 28 '07 #11

santosh

osmium wrote:

"santosh" writes:

<snippage>

>jacob navia wrote:

>>MOUNTAIN KING wrote:

>>>TRY CODEBLOCKS

>>>The Open Source, Cross-platform,
Free C/C++ IDE
OK. I downloaded that stuff.

<long winded bemoan snipped>

Why don't you post this to the Code::Blocks
forum/mailing-list/group/whatever than in here? What has Code::Blocks to
do
with this group?

What you call a long winded bemoan, I would call a brief, useful, review.
Do you really expect us to find Code Blocks support, register, get our
address on yet another list we don't want to be on, learn the protocol and
wade through what was already there?

But, Jacob's bug report will be of use to the code::blocks developers, while
it's largely going to be ignored. FWIW, I experienced similar problems
myself under Windows, and to get it to start, I had hand compile several
libraries under Linux.

But what's the point of exchanging such messages here?

Let me draw your attention to a book
that is going through a very lengthy review in another thread on this
newsgroup. That too, is a tool of sorts thought to be of interest to C
programmers.

Most of the "issues" that were pointed in Malcolm's book were involving C
code.

Jul 28 '07 #12

osmium

"santosh" writes:

<snippage>

But what's the point of exchanging such messages here?

Apparently you only saw bits and pieces of my post. The point is this:

"Do you really expect us to find Code Blocks support,
register, get our address on yet another list we don't
want to be on, learn the protocol and wade through
what was already there? "

Someone proposed Code Blocks as being a useful thing. Jacob refuted that,
and I thought rather effectively. It was not simply an assertion "this is
junk". He told us *why* it was no good. I don't have all day to spend on
this stuff and he saved us, collectively, a lot of time.

Can't you see that?

If he wants to also post his findings somewhere else where the Code Blocks
people, if there indeed are such people could see it, that would be nice
too.

Jul 28 '07 #13

Richard

ga*****@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:

In article <ti************@gmail.com>, Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:
...

>>wade through what was already there? Let me draw your attention to a book
that is going through a very lengthy review in another thread on this
newsgroup. That too, is a tool of sorts thought to be of interest to C
programmers.

But of course that's not OT because the core element here are enjoying
savaging it.

Funny how that works, innit?

P.S. What's really funny is how the core elements worked up this psuedo
with the handle "santosh", to further their whacko position. Think
carefully about how useful it is to have a "core element" poster with a
decidely, shall we say, ethnic sounding name.

I think that might be carrying it a bit too far :-;

Jul 28 '07 #14

santosh

osmium wrote:

"santosh" writes:

<snippage>

>But what's the point of exchanging such messages here?

Apparently you only saw bits and pieces of my post. The point is this:

"Do you really expect us to find Code Blocks support,
register, get our address on yet another list we don't
want to be on, learn the protocol and wade through
what was already there? "

Not necessary. Just download a version and try it out. If there remain
problems or issues for clarification, and you're insistent on continuing to
use the IDE, then, IMHO, a dedicated forum would be the best place to go
to.

Someone proposed Code Blocks as being a useful thing. Jacob refuted that,
and I thought rather effectively. It was not simply an assertion "this is
junk". He told us *why* it was no good.

He told us that in his experience, it did not work properly. BTW, it was
working fine for me about two years ago on Windows. Later versions started
having problems, while the current one wont even startup on Linux without
serious effort.

The point is, the best way is to try and see. Also I agree that Jacob's
review in itself is useful, just that it's the wrong group to post it in.

I don't have all day to spend on
this stuff and he saved us, collectively, a lot of time.

Can't you see that?

Yea, I can see your point.

Jul 28 '07 #15

jacob navia

santosh wrote:

osmium wrote:

>"santosh" writes:

<snippage>

>>But what's the point of exchanging such messages here?
Apparently you only saw bits and pieces of my post. The point is this:

"Do you really expect us to find Code Blocks support,
register, get our address on yet another list we don't
want to be on, learn the protocol and wade through
what was already there? "

Not necessary. Just download a version and try it out. If there remain
problems or issues for clarification, and you're insistent on continuing to
use the IDE, then, IMHO, a dedicated forum would be the best place to go
to.

>Someone proposed Code Blocks as being a useful thing. Jacob refuted that,
and I thought rather effectively. It was not simply an assertion "this is
junk". He told us *why* it was no good.

He told us that in his experience, it did not work properly. BTW, it was
working fine for me about two years ago on Windows. Later versions started
having problems, while the current one wont even startup on Linux without
serious effort.

The point is, the best way is to try and see. Also I agree that Jacob's
review in itself is useful, just that it's the wrong group to post it in.

>I don't have all day to spend on
this stuff and he saved us, collectively, a lot of time.

Can't you see that?

Yea, I can see your point.

That's all I wanted to do.

Very often we see here:

"C programmer's site http://www bla bla"

And some people make the effort of reviewing that site to tell the
others if it is worth to go there. This is basically the same.

jacob

Jul 28 '07 #16

santosh said:

<snip>

Also I agree that
Jacob's review in itself is useful, just that it's the wrong group to
post it in.

That's hardly Mr Navia's fault, since he did not choose the group. Some
bozo called MOUNTAIN KING did that. All Mr Navia did was debunk the
product being spammed to the group; such debunking is a perfectly
reasonable thing to do.

--
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Email: -www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999

Jul 28 '07 #17

santosh

Kenny McCormack wrote:

In article <ti************@gmail.com>, Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:
...

>>wade through what was already there? Let me draw your attention to a
book that is going through a very lengthy review in another thread on
this
newsgroup. That too, is a tool of sorts thought to be of interest to C
programmers.

But of course that's not OT because the core element here are enjoying
savaging it.

Funny how that works, innit?

P.S. What's really funny is how the core elements worked up this psuedo
with the handle "santosh", to further their whacko position.

I take responsibility for what I post. I have not got "worked up" by "the
core elements", whatever that means.

Think
carefully about how useful it is to have a "core element" poster with a
decidely, shall we say, ethnic sounding name.

There is no "core element" in this group. Different people post according to
their independent judgements. Sometimes, it happens that one or more
posters agree.

BTW, what's ethnicity got to do with posting to this group?

PS. If you feel strongly that there should be no effort to maintain
topicality, why don't you provide useful responses to the OT questions we
keep getting? OTOH, typically, your stock response is the least useful and
most acerbic, directing the poor OP to a Wikipaedia page on Aspergers
syndrome and similar nonsense. At least the rest of us provide useful
redirections.

Jul 28 '07 #18

santosh said:

Kenny McCormack wrote:

<snip>

>P.S. What's really funny is how the core elements worked up this
psuedo with the handle "santosh", to further their whacko position.

I take responsibility for what I post. I have not got "worked up" by
"the core elements", whatever that means.

He means he thinks you're a communal sock-puppet, created by those whom
he doesn't like. (When you get several people making roughly the same
common sense argument, it is not unusual for one or more of them to be
accused of being a sock-puppet.)

Pseudo: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/P/pseudo.html
Sock-puppet: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/S/sock-puppet.html

>Think
carefully about how useful it is to have a "core element" poster with
a decidely, shall we say, ethnic sounding name.

There is no "core element" in this group. Different people post
according to their independent judgements. Sometimes, it happens that
one or more posters agree.

BTW, what's ethnicity got to do with posting to this group?

It seems that your pet troll Kenny can't bring himself to believe that
someone with a non-European name could possibly be intelligent, so he
is forced to assume that you are a hoax.

--
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Jul 28 '07 #19

Richard

Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

santosh said:

<snip>

>Also I agree that
Jacob's review in itself is useful, just that it's the wrong group to
post it in.

That's hardly Mr Navia's fault, since he did not choose the group. Some
bozo called MOUNTAIN KING did that. All Mr Navia did was debunk the
product being spammed to the group; such debunking is a perfectly
reasonable thing to do.

How can debunking be ok but singing the praises not be? Are you always
so mindlessly destructive in your thinking and judgements?

--

Jul 28 '07 #20

Richard said:

<snip>

How can debunking be ok but singing the praises not be?

If the product were any good, its proponents would not be driven to
spamming techie newsgroups in a desperate attempt to drum up custom.

--
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Email: -www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
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Jul 28 '07 #21

santosh

Richard Heathfield wrote:

santosh said:

>Kenny McCormack wrote:

<snip>

>>P.S. What's really funny is how the core elements worked up this
psuedo with the handle "santosh", to further their whacko position.

I take responsibility for what I post. I have not got "worked up" by
"the core elements", whatever that means.

He means he thinks you're a communal sock-puppet, created by those whom
he doesn't like. (When you get several people making roughly the same
common sense argument, it is not unusual for one or more of them to be
accused of being a sock-puppet.)

Pseudo: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/P/pseudo.html
Sock-puppet: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/S/sock-puppet.html

Hmm, even a casual look at the headers would have shown him that there's no
realistic possibility of me being a "sock-puppet". It's perhaps easier to
forge posts when you're posting through a newsreader, but it is, AFAICT,
much more difficult to do so through Google Groups, which was what I used
till a while back.

That "the core group" would go to effort of painstakingly forge each and
every one of my ~2100 articles to feed their ego... Kenny is much worse
than I thought. :)

<snip>

Jul 28 '07 #22

"Richard Heathfield" <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote in message
news:Jf*********************@bt.com...

Richard said:

<snip>

>How can debunking be ok but singing the praises not be?

If the product were any good, its proponents would not be driven to
spamming techie newsgroups in a desperate attempt to drum up custom.

OI. What do you think I'm doing with the thread about my new book?

--
Free games and programming goodies.
http://www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm

Jul 28 '07 #23

Richard

Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

Richard said:

<snip>

>How can debunking be ok but singing the praises not be?

If the product were any good, its proponents would not be driven to
spamming techie newsgroups in a desperate attempt to drum up custom.

You have mentioned K&R 2 a few times. Does this mean that your "drumming
up custom" indicates that it's no good?

Jul 28 '07 #24

Richard said:

Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

>Richard said:

<snip>

>>How can debunking be ok but singing the praises not be?

If the product were any good, its proponents would not be driven to
spamming techie newsgroups in a desperate attempt to drum up custom.

You have mentioned K&R 2 a few times.

Indeed.

Does this mean that your
"drumming up custom" indicates that it's no good?

Since my name is neither Brian Kernighan nor Dennis Ritchie, your point
is utterly devoid of point.

--
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Jul 28 '07 #25

Malcolm McLean said:

>
"Richard Heathfield" <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote in message
news:Jf*********************@bt.com...
>Richard said:

<snip>

>>How can debunking be ok but singing the praises not be?

If the product were any good, its proponents would not be driven to
spamming techie newsgroups in a desperate attempt to drum up custom.

OI. What do you think I'm doing with the thread about my new book?

<cough>

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Jul 28 '07 #26

"Richard" <rg****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:hn************@gmail.com...

"Default User" <de***********@yahoo.comwrites:

>MOUNTAIN KING wrote:

>>>
TRY CODEBLOCKS

*plonk*

Brian

It that on topic? Does anyone really care who YOU *plonk*?

No.

plonks are topical, by convention. It's a kind of metatopic necessary to
smooth running of the ng.

Jul 28 '07 #27

In article <qs************@gmail.com>, Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:

>Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

>santosh said:

<snip>

>>Also I agree that
Jacob's review in itself is useful, just that it's the wrong group to
post it in.

That's hardly Mr Navia's fault, since he did not choose the group. Some
bozo called MOUNTAIN KING did that. All Mr Navia did was debunk the
product being spammed to the group; such debunking is a perfectly
reasonable thing to do.

How can debunking be ok but singing the praises not be? Are you always
so mindlessly destructive in your thinking and judgements?

In a word: yes.

Bashing is entirely acceptable; it's what we do. Praising is, like
mixing primary colors during daylight hours, "Not Done"! - because it
is too easily perceived as spamming. This is the true social cost of
the existence of spam as a fact of life; people begin (quite rightly,
unfortunately) to see it everywhere.

Jul 28 '07 #28

"Richard" <rg****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:3x************@gmail.com...

Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

>Richard said:

<snip>

>>How can debunking be ok but singing the praises not be?

If the product were any good, its proponents would not be driven to
spamming techie newsgroups in a desperate attempt to drum up custom.

You have mentioned K&R 2 a few times. Does this mean that your
"drumming up custom" indicates that it's no good?

You are obviously unaware the Richard Heathfield is lead author of "C
Unleashed". For some reason he doesn't mention it very often.

--
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http://www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm

Jul 28 '07 #29

In article <1k************@gmail.com>, Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:
....

>P.S. What's really funny is how the core elements worked up this psuedo
with the handle "santosh", to further their whacko position. Think
carefully about how useful it is to have a "core element" poster with a
decidely, shall we say, ethnic sounding name.

I think that might be carrying it a bit too far :-;

I don't. Think about it - all the "core regs" here have blindingly
common white bread names - Brian, Richard (to the n'th power), Keith, etc.

Now, we have someone with an Asian naming spouting the same nonsense.
Just one, mind you. As the santosh psuedo quite rightly points out,
running a pseudo is a lot of work.

Jul 28 '07 #30

Richard

"Malcolm McLean" <re*******@btinternet.comwrites:

"Richard" <rg****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:3x************@gmail.com...
>Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

>>Richard said:

<snip>

How can debunking be ok but singing the praises not be?

If the product were any good, its proponents would not be driven to
spamming techie newsgroups in a desperate attempt to drum up custom.

You have mentioned K&R 2 a few times. Does this mean that your
"drumming up custom" indicates that it's no good?

You are obviously unaware the Richard Heathfield is lead author of "C
Unleashed". For some reason he doesn't mention it very often.

I think I know why. I have read it.

Jul 28 '07 #31

Richard

ga*****@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:

In article <1k************@gmail.com>, Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:
...

>>P.S. What's really funny is how the core elements worked up this psuedo
with the handle "santosh", to further their whacko position. Think
carefully about how useful it is to have a "core element" poster with a
decidely, shall we say, ethnic sounding name.

I think that might be carrying it a bit too far :-;

I don't. Think about it - all the "core regs" here have blindingly
common white bread names - Brian, Richard (to the n'th power), Keith, etc.

Now, we have someone with an Asian naming spouting the same nonsense.
Just one, mind you. As the santosh psuedo quite rightly points out,
running a pseudo is a lot of work.

A "Brian" who announces *plonk*s is taking it a bit far I admit. We'll
have a Geoffrey with paisley jumper and nylon slacks discussing whether
a pointer to the first element of an array is really an array pointer
with Roger in his beige cardigan next. You could be on to something :-;

Jul 28 '07 #32

Default User

Malcolm McLean wrote:

>
"Richard" <rg****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:hn************@gmail.com... >"Default User"
<de***********@yahoo.comwrites:

MOUNTAIN KING wrote:
>

TRY CODEBLOCKS
>
*plonk*

It that on topic? Does anyone really care who YOU plonk?

No.
plonks are topical, by convention. It's a kind of metatopic necessary
to smooth running of the ng.

I'll point out again that I have Richard killfiled (long time now).

Brian

Jul 28 '07 #33

John Smith

santosh wrote:

Kenny McCormack wrote:

>>In article <ti************@gmail.com>, Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:
...

>>>>wade through what was already there? Let me draw your attention to a
book that is going through a very lengthy review in another thread on
this
newsgroup. That too, is a tool of sorts thought to be of interest to C
programmers.

But of course that's not OT because the core element here are enjoying
savaging it.

Funny how that works, innit?

P.S. What's really funny is how the core elements worked up this psuedo
with the handle "santosh", to further their whacko position.

I take responsibility for what I post. I have not got "worked up" by "the
core elements", whatever that means.

Of course, anonymity is always an option on Usenet, but many of
the "core element" happily identify themselves. Why don't you?

JS

Jul 28 '07 #34

In article <5h*************@mid.individual.net>,
Default User <de***********@yahoo.comwrote:

>Malcolm McLean wrote:

>>
"Richard" <rg****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:hn************@gmail.com... >"Default User"
<de***********@yahoo.comwrites:
>
MOUNTAIN KING wrote:

TRY CODEBLOCKS

*plonk*

It that on topic? Does anyone really care who YOU plonk?

No.

plonks are topical, by convention. It's a kind of metatopic necessary
to smooth running of the ng.

I'll point out again that I have Richard killfiled (long time now).

To even try to contemplate the monumental ego of someone who thinks we
care about his personal newsreader management habits, is to indulge in an
experience in pain. Note, BTW, that besides his plonk messages and his
TPA messages, Default Loser very, very rarely posts anything of substance,
other than brownnosing "me, too"s.

To the previous poster: No, plonk messages are not on topic (certainly
not in the context of a hyperactive topicality police NG like this one).
Discussion of what is and is not on topic (such as the post you are
reading right now) are on topic. Perhaps this distinction has eluded you.

Jul 28 '07 #35

Richard

John Smith <JS****@mail.netwrites:

santosh wrote:
>Kenny McCormack wrote:

>>>In article <ti************@gmail.com>, Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:
...

>wade through what was already there? Let me draw your attention to a
>book that is going through a very lengthy review in another thread on
>this
>newsgroup. That too, is a tool of sorts thought to be of interest to C
>programmers.

But of course that's not OT because the core element here are enjoying
savaging it.

Funny how that works, innit?

P.S. What's really funny is how the core elements worked up this psuedo
with the handle "santosh", to further their whacko position.

I take responsibility for what I post. I have not got "worked up" by "the
core elements", whatever that means.

Of course, anonymity is always an option on Usenet, but many of the
"core element" happily identify themselves. Why don't you?

JS

For the same reason many people don't. That Usenet is full of Kooks who
take Usenet into the real world?

Of course, being called "John Smith" you're fairly prolific enough not to
be singled out ....

Jul 28 '07 #36

Richard

ga*****@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:

In article <5h*************@mid.individual.net>,
Default User <de***********@yahoo.comwrote:
>>Malcolm McLean wrote:

>>>
"Richard" <rg****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:hn************@gmail.com... >"Default User"
<de***********@yahoo.comwrites:

MOUNTAIN KING wrote:
TRY CODEBLOCKS

*plonk*

>It that on topic? Does anyone really care who YOU plonk?

No.

plonks are topical, by convention. It's a kind of metatopic necessary
to smooth running of the ng.

I'll point out again that I have Richard killfiled (long time now).

I'm not surprised. But thanks for reinforcing my point. No one cares who
you have in your super star killfile. No one is impressed. No one is in
any way affected by what you do or do not read. Since your main
contribution to this NG appears to be "OT" and "I agree with Keith"
posts then probably no one even bothers reading your "me too" posts.

>
To even try to contemplate the monumental ego of someone who thinks we
care about his personal newsreader management habits, is to indulge in an
experience in pain. Note, BTW, that besides his plonk messages and
his

Agreed.

TPA messages, Default Loser very, very rarely posts anything of substance,
other than brownnosing "me, too"s.

One of the first I noticed a year or two back with his "OT" and "we
don't ...." messages.

To the previous poster: No, plonk messages are not on topic (certainly
not in the context of a hyperactive topicality police NG like this one).
Discussion of what is and is not on topic (such as the post you are
reading right now) are on topic. Perhaps this distinction has eluded you.

Jul 28 '07 #37

"Richard" <rg****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:7e************@gmail.com...

"Malcolm McLean" <re*******@btinternet.comwrites:

>"Richard" <rg****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:3x************@gmail.com...
>>Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

Richard said:

<snip>

How can debunking be ok but singing the praises not be?

If the product were any good, its proponents would not be driven to
spamming techie newsgroups in a desperate attempt to drum up custom.

You have mentioned K&R 2 a few times. Does this mean that your
"drumming up custom" indicates that it's no good?

You are obviously unaware the Richard Heathfield is lead author of "C
Unleashed". For some reason he doesn't mention it very often.

I think I know why. I have read it.

No, it's modesty. Misplaced, in my opinion; a lot of newbies would like to
know that they are engaged with someone who has a book under their belt. He
might sell a few extra copies if he put in his sig.

There's not much point trying to pull someone you dislike down. You might
show yourself to be superior to an idiot, but who needs to show that they
are superior to an idiot? To be superior to a highly talented and able
individual, well that's something.

--
Free games and programming goodies.
http://www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm

Jul 28 '07 #38

Al Balmer

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:35:21 +0200, Richard <rg****@gmail.comwrote:

>newsgroup. That too, is a tool of sorts thought to be of interest to C
programmers.

But of course that's not OT because the core element here are enjoying
savaging it.

I haven't seen that. I've seen people discussing the deficiencies of
the *C code* in the book, which is clearly topical here. The book
itself is about algorithms, not language. I've seen little discussion
of the algorithms, which would not be topical.

--
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ

Jul 30 '07 #39

Al Balmer

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:56:40 +0000, Richard Heathfield
<rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:

>Richard said:

<snip>

>How can debunking be ok but singing the praises not be?

If the product were any good, its proponents would not be driven to
spamming techie newsgroups in a desperate attempt to drum up custom.

Now, that's not a nice thing to say about Richard ;-)

--
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ

Jul 30 '07 #40