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Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter Vaskinn: The Owners of C++.

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I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
messages about how irrelevant that question was.
Beware of them.

perseus

Jul 19 '05 #1
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perseus escribió:
I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
messages about how irrelevant that question was.
Beware of them.


Put me in the list, I also think your question is off-topic.

Regards.
Jul 19 '05 #2

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perseus wrote:
I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
messages about how irrelevant that question was.
Beware of them.

Karl,

You are obviously annoyed. Take a chill pill for a moment and listen to
what these guys are saying.

Basically they're saying there is a better forum for your question.

Most people on this list want to answers to plain vanilla C++ questions.
boost is a completly separate library with maintainers and advocates and
all kinds of people who would like to help you that use a completly
separate forum. The question you have is most relevant to the boost forum.

No big deal !

Peace
G

Jul 19 '05 #3

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:18:04 +0200, Juli?n Albo <JU********@terra.es>
wrote:
perseus escribi?:
I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
messages about how irrelevant that question was.
Beware of them.


Put me in the list, I also think your question is off-topic.

Regards.


Jul 19 '05 #4

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:18:04 +0200, Juli?n Albo <JU********@terra.es>
wrote:
perseus escribi?:
I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
messages about how irrelevant that question was.
Beware of them.


Put me in the list, I also think your question is off-topic.

Regards.


Sure, Julian. Thank you for your enlightening answer to my
question. Without people like you we would be breeding sharks in the
forest.

perseus

Jul 19 '05 #5

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On 12 Aug 2003 15:20:06 GMT, Gianni Mariani <gi*******@mariani.ws>
wrote:
perseus wrote:
I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
messages about how irrelevant that question was.
Beware of them.

Karl,

You are obviously annoyed. Take a chill pill for a moment and listen to
what these guys are saying.

Basically they're saying there is a better forum for your question.

Most people on this list want to answers to plain vanilla C++ questions.
boost is a completly separate library with maintainers and advocates and
all kinds of people who would like to help you that use a completly
separate forum. The question you have is most relevant to the boost forum.

No big deal !

Peace
G


Gianni,

Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?
Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!

perseus

Jul 19 '05 #6

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:31:36 +0100, "Allan Bruce"
<al*****@TAKEAWAYf2s.com> wrote:

"perseus" <fa***@fantigo.com> wrote in message
news:ig********************************@4ax.com.. .
I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
messages about how irrelevant that question was.
Beware of them.

perseus


Well they have more than helpful to the rest of us - who actually ask a
question that is relevant.


Of course, Allan, whatever suits YOU is relevant, right?
So, you are also a specialist on C++, aren't you? What a stupid
and idiotic argument. What is more relevant in a C++ group
than reading and manipulating the filenames of a directory?
ASK YOURSELF THE QUESTION before you waste more bandwidth next time.

perseus
Jul 19 '05 #7

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"perseus" <fa***@fantigo.com> wrote in message
news:j6********************************@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:31:36 +0100, "Allan Bruce"
<al*****@TAKEAWAYf2s.com> wrote:

"perseus" <fa***@fantigo.com> wrote in message
news:ig********************************@4ax.com.. .
I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
messages about how irrelevant that question was.
Beware of them.

perseus


Well they have more than helpful to the rest of us - who actually ask a
question that is relevant.


Of course, Allan, whatever suits YOU is relevant, right?
So, you are also a specialist on C++, aren't you? What a stupid
and idiotic argument. What is more relevant in a C++ group
than reading and manipulating the filenames of a directory?
ASK YOURSELF THE QUESTION before you waste more bandwidth next time.

perseus


I just read your original post, and this is your question

"...and I have no idea how to install this filesystem on my IBM-compatible
machine. Does anyone up here know how to do this?"

ok, this is not even about programming!! It is about configuration of a
piece of software.
Anyway, to be the tiniest bit helpful I typed "boost" into google and the
first page lead me to a newsgroup appropriate to you:

news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.boost.devel

HTH
Allan
Jul 19 '05 #8

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:37:09 +1000, "John Carson"
<do***********@datafast.net.au> wrote:
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"perseus" <fa***@fantigo.com> wrote in message
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Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?
Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!

perseus

First, the issue is not whether people know the answer. It is whether they
think it appropriate to answer in this newsgroup.

Second, the reason why people point out that a question is OT is so the
person asking can look elsewhere. Normally they do so and the thread ends
right there. It is only the rare person like yourself who turns it into
World War III.

Third, sometimes people are prepared to stretch a point and give advice even
on an off-topic subject. But they don't give it to people who adopt a
hostile attitude. This group has its norms of behaviour. You apparently are
unaware of them and have no interest in respecting them. This cannot produce
a happy outcome.
--
John Carson
1. To reply to email address, remove donald
2. Don't reply to email address (post here instead)


John,

"Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?
Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!"

Obviously, you never got the mssage either, right?

perseus
Jul 19 '05 #9

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:43:13 +0100, "Allan Bruce"
<al*****@TAKEAWAYf2s.com> wrote:
bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth - what is your obsession?
Anyway this newsgroup is not about everything c++, that group would be way
to big. As I said, it is about the c++ standard, and since the standard
does not define a directory then it is not topical here. I must admit when
I started out, I thought it was bizarre that directories were excluded but
ask yourself this - what is a directory? and more importantly how is a
directory implemented on my OS? That is why you must ask in an appropriate
newsgroup to your own OS
Allan


Now you are going to teach me WHAT to ask, Allan?
Why don't you just say: Sorry, perseus, I don't know the
answer to your question. Or, even, better, just say nothing!

perseus

Jul 19 '05 #10

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"perseus" <fa***@fantigo.com> wrote in message
news:44********************************@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:43:13 +0100, "Allan Bruce"
<al*****@TAKEAWAYf2s.com> wrote:
bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth - what is your obsession?
Anyway this newsgroup is not about everything c++, that group would be wayto big. As I said, it is about the c++ standard, and since the standard
does not define a directory then it is not topical here. I must admit whenI started out, I thought it was bizarre that directories were excluded butask yourself this - what is a directory? and more importantly how is a
directory implemented on my OS? That is why you must ask in an appropriatenewsgroup to your own OS
Allan


Now you are going to teach me WHAT to ask, Allan?
Why don't you just say: Sorry, perseus, I don't know the
answer to your question. Or, even, better, just say nothing!

perseus


But I DO know the answer to your question - and that is why its humorous :D
Jul 19 '05 #11

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perseus wrote:

Gianni,

Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?
Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!


Life is sometimes a bitch.

Move on, you'll be happier.

Jul 19 '05 #12

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"perseus" <fa***@fantigo.com> wrote in message
news:v0********************************@4ax.com
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:37:09 +1000, "John Carson"
<do***********@datafast.net.au> wrote:

First, the issue is not whether people know the answer. It is
whether they
think it appropriate to answer in this newsgroup.

Second, the reason why people point out that a question is OT is so
the
person asking can look elsewhere. Normally they do so and the
thread ends
right there. It is only the rare person like yourself who turns it
into
World War III.

Third, sometimes people are prepared to stretch a point and give
advice even
on an off-topic subject. But they don't give it to people who adopt
a
hostile attitude. This group has its norms of behaviour. You
apparently are
unaware of them and have no interest in respecting them. This
cannot produce
a happy outcome.
--
John Carson
1. To reply to email address, remove donald
2. Don't reply to email address (post here instead)
John,

"Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?
Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!"


You have completely ignored what I said. People answer that a question is OT
so that the person asking the question will know they need to ask elsewhere.
If people DON'T ANSWER, then the person making the post will be left with no
answer and no suggestion about how to get one.

Answering a post with "this is off-topic" takes up a small amount of space,
but may save a lot of space in the future if the person gets the message and
takes the trouble to ask questions in the right place in the future. In your
case it obviously hasn't worked, but you represent a minority case.
Obviously, you never got the mssage either, right?


I directly answered the question in your most recent post, which had to do
with why people did not just ignore certain posts. Your comment that I
"never got the message either" is gratuitously insulting. It is also
arrogant. The rest of the world is not obliged to obey your decrees about
how to respond to posts.
--
John Carson
1. To reply to email address, remove donald
2. Don't reply to email address (post here instead)

Jul 19 '05 #13

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perseus wrote:
I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
messages about how irrelevant that question was.
Beware of them.

perseus


Please add me to your list.
File systems are not a part of the _standard_ C++ language.
The language has some "file" operations but nothing about
directories.

Many platforms do not support filesystems, especially the embedded
systems. Having to have the filesystem code when it is not used
is a big waste of space.

There is also no standard convention for a filesystem. Take a
look at the Vax, *nix and embbeded operating systems. They all
have different filesystems. Some may support multiple threads
and users while other filesystems may be areas in a Flash memory
device.

Although BOOST is a library for the C++ language, it is not
on topic because it isn't part of the C++ language.

--
Thomas Matthews

C++ newsgroup welcome message:
http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt
C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite
C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html
alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq:
http://www.raos.demon.uk/acllc-c++/faq.html
Other sites:
http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book

Jul 19 '05 #14

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:07:24 -0400
perseus <fa***@fantigo.com> wrote:
I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
messages about how irrelevant that question was.
Beware of them.


I have just sent a mail to ab***@supernews.com and this was in their
autoreply:

"If you are reporting abuse which is not spam (repeated posts with
essentially the same content), child pornography, or copyright
infringement, please be sure to include information spelling out why
the post is "abusive".

Trolling, flaming, "off topic posting" and "unacceptable language
for this newsgroup" are often subjective, and without your reasoning
behind the complaint we may not understand why action is required.
We will deal with individuals who are bent on newsgroup disruption
as best we can, but a pattern of abuse must be established.
Complaints from more than one regular from the group being affected
are helpful to show that the user has violated "community
standards", etc. In cases of flame wars we will not take sides, and
we will not just "squelch" our user so that the battle is
conveniently over with someone else left standing. Also, the use of
profanity is not considered an actionable offense unto itself.
Usenet newsgroups are adult in nature, and parents should screen
posts to insure they are acceptable before allowing their children
to read them. nfilter (see more information below) can filter based
on the body of the post, allowing automated screening of posts for
profanity should a user find it objectionable and wish to avoid
those posts."

socketd
Jul 19 '05 #15

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:08:33 GMT, Thomas Matthews
<Th**********************@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Please add me to your list.
File systems are not a part of the _standard_ C++ language.
The language has some "file" operations but nothing about
directories.

Many platforms do not support filesystems, especially the embedded
systems. Having to have the filesystem code when it is not used
is a big waste of space.

There is also no standard convention for a filesystem. Take a
look at the Vax, *nix and embbeded operating systems. They all
have different filesystems. Some may support multiple threads
and users while other filesystems may be areas in a Flash memory
device.

Although BOOST is a library for the C++ language, it is not
on topic because it isn't part of the C++ language.

--
Thomas Matthews Another ruby from Thomas!
A FileSystem Library for your C++ compiler is off the subject of
this group! Naturally! Who wants ot rename thousands of files,
delete them, copy them, FTP them, ZIP them,
change strings in them, add strings to them, delete strings from them,
and a million other things.
Hahahaha! Hahahaha!

perseus
C++ newsgroup welcome message:
http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt
C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite
C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html
alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq:
http://www.raos.demon.uk/acllc-c++/faq.html
Other sites:
http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book


Jul 19 '05 #16

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perseus wrote:

Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?


No, we're in favor of *discouraging off-topic posting*.

--
Mike Smith

Jul 19 '05 #17

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perseus wrote:

You keep wasting bandwidth. You never answered any question of mine.
You just like to indulge in generalities in order to obscure your
deficiencies. DO NOT ANSWER MY MESSAGES. I DON'T WANT YOU TO!
I AM NOT ADDRESSING MYSELF TO YOU! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO
SAY TO ME THAT WOULD HELP THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
STOP BOTHERING ME!
It this enough?


No. Usenet is a public forum. If you don't want people replying to
your off-topic posts, then don't post here.

This newsgroup is not your personal technical support line. It exists
for discussion of the C++ language as defined by the appropriate ISO
standard. If you post off-topic, don't be surprised when it's pointed
out to you. If you really want help with your original question, you'd
be better off posting in an appropriate newsgroup.

--
Mike Smith

Jul 19 '05 #18

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> I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
messages about how irrelevant that question was.
Beware of them.


Yes but they are the _SAME_ people who give all the replies on this
newsgroup.
Do a search in Google and I think you will find Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor
Bazarov have answered tons of programmers questions in comp.lang.c++. But
they won't lift a finger if you are off-topic. They will probably be here in
2 years time answering programmers questions on C++ but you won't.

Stephen Howe
Jul 19 '05 #19

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> Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!

And if they DO know the answer but don't want to post here because it is
off-topic, what then?

Stephen Howe
Jul 19 '05 #20

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Stephen Howe <NO**********@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:3f*********************@news.dial.pipex.com.. .
Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!


And if they DO know the answer but don't want to post here because it is
off-topic, what then?


Well, then they're idiots, didn't you know? :-)

-Mike

Jul 19 '05 #21

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