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Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
Jul 19 '05 #1
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On 9 Aug 2003 02:47:23 -0700
lo*******@e-garfield.com (The LoxFather) wrote:
Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?


Off Topic.
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.

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c,k,0),x(c,k+=*s-c,s+1),*k):(x(*s,k,s+1),0));else c=10;printf(&x(~0,0,k)[c-~-
c+"1"[~c<-c]],c);}main(){x(0,"^[kXc6]dn_eaoh$%c","-34*1'.+(,03#;+,)/'///*");}
Jul 19 '05 #2

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The LoxFather wrote:
Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?


Ha! Now I also found one, so:

This is an obvious troll. Please ignore it.

Jul 19 '05 #3

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On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:59:47 +0200
Rolf Magnus <ra******@t-online.de> wrote:
The LoxFather wrote:
Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?


Ha! Now I also found one, so:

This is an obvious troll. Please ignore it.


Shit yeah, I didn't see the cross-posting. I never do! Thanks.

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c,k,0),x(c,k+=*s-c,s+1),*k):(x(*s,k,s+1),0));else c=10;printf(&x(~0,0,k)[c-~-
c+"1"[~c<-c]],c);}main(){x(0,"^[kXc6]dn_eaoh$%c","-34*1'.+(,03#;+,)/'///*");}
Jul 19 '05 #4

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The LoxFather wrote:

Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?


http://www.newtechusa.com/PPI/pressroom.asp#higher

"Humans and higher primates share approximately 97%
of their DNA in common.
Recent research in primate programming suggests computing
is a task that most higher primates can easily perform.
Visual Basic 6.0, was the preferred IDE for the majority
of experiment primate subjects.
Test subjects with the best results were baboons and bonobo apes.
Both primate species demonstrated stressful behaviors
when presented with Java tools and utilities.

--
pete
Jul 19 '05 #5

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I think this comes from :

http://www.vb-bootcamp.com/PPI/main.asp

It is actually quite a good laugh

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 07:38:20 -0400, pete <pf*****@mindspring.com>
wrote:
The LoxFather wrote:

Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?


http://www.newtechusa.com/PPI/pressroom.asp#higher

"Humans and higher primates share approximately 97%
of their DNA in common.
Recent research in primate programming suggests computing
is a task that most higher primates can easily perform.
Visual Basic 6.0, was the preferred IDE for the majority
of experiment primate subjects.
Test subjects with the best results were baboons and bonobo apes.
Both primate species demonstrated stressful behaviors
when presented with Java tools and utilities.

--
pete


Jul 19 '05 #6

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lo*******@e-garfield.com (The LoxFather) wrote in message news:<be*************************@posting.google.c om>...
Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?


If you plan to remain in the MS WINDOWS domain and program for that
platform, a transition to C# is a better choice. However, if one sunny
day you'll be considering to program for other platforms ( say
GNU/LINUX systems ), you'll find that your knowledge of C/C++ is a
great help. But, after all, your requirements should provide a hint to
what language and tools you'll need.
Essentially, you'll be using a language and it's standard library + a
foundation library that helps programming for a specific platform (say
Microsoft Foundation Classes MFC for Visual C++ ).

Good luck.

//rk
Jul 19 '05 #7

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"Malcolm" <ma*****@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
"The LoxFather" <lo*******@e-garfield.com> wrote in message

Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?

If you know VB and have some idea how a processor works at machine level, it
shouldn't take more than a few days to learn C.


Total nonsense, unless by few days you meant few years. C is CPU
independent, and VB has as much in common with C as a cheeseburger and
coke has to a hot roast dinner with potatoes and red wine.
Jul 19 '05 #8

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On 9 Aug 2003 07:31:12 -0700
bs*******@yahoo.com (Brad Sperry) wrote:
"Malcolm" <ma*****@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Total nonsense, unless by few days you meant few years. C is CPU
independent, and VB has as much in common with C as a cheeseburger and
coke has to a hot roast dinner with potatoes and red wine.


Don't feed the troll

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c,k,0),x(c,k+=*s-c,s+1),*k):(x(*s,k,s+1),0));else c=10;printf(&x(~0,0,k)[c-~-
c+"1"[~c<-c]],c);}main(){x(0,"^[kXc6]dn_eaoh$%c","-34*1'.+(,03#;+,)/'///*");}
Jul 19 '05 #9

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On 9 Aug 2003 07:31:12 -0700, bs*******@yahoo.com (Brad Sperry) wrote:

<snip>

Total nonsense, unless by few days you meant few years. C is CPU
independent, and VB has as much in common with C as a cheeseburger and
coke has to a hot roast dinner with potatoes and red wine.


ANSI 'C' might be hardware independant

- but most libraries are not

And the majority of C programmers can do squat without their libraries

.... of course Windows is a 'Library'
Jul 19 '05 #10

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Stephen wrote:
Learn C/C++. Even Microsoft is waning on the .NET foray. Notice it got
dropped from the Windows 2003 Server name. The booklet that came with my
VC++ 2002 called .NET a revolution in computing yet the booklet that came
with my VC++ 2003 doesn't hardly mention it and only gives C++ examples.
That's because VC++ is about C++, not C#. Flip a few pages and have a
look in the 'C# Section'. That's like saying "I can't find anything
about kangaroos in a book about worms"
Besides, if need be, you can .NET C++ anyway. C# seem neat, but it is an
interpreted language, sort of an enhanced JavaScript, and will have
questionable performance.
C# is *not* an interpreted language... it's a compiled language! What
did you think the term "JIT compilation" stood for? Really, where from
do you get your facts? Sesame Street?

C# gives you very good performance - you should know how to use the
language to do the things you want done. Secondly, the next version has
some very neat features, like Generics - that should give a boost to
overall performance. I've heard the next version of CLR has been tuned
for performance. Let's wait and see.

-Andre

Stephen
"The LoxFather" <lo*******@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
news:be*************************@posting.google.co m...
| Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
| learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?


Jul 19 '05 #11

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That's what I heard *someday* Microsoft promises, C# will have performance.
And in carefully constructed circumstances, sometime in the future,
Microsoft says might even make it be faster than C++ in the same carefully
constructed situation. In the mean time though, it's a Java.

Stephen
"Andre" <fo********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f********@clarion.carno.net.au...
|
|
| Stephen wrote:
|
| > Learn C/C++. Even Microsoft is waning on the .NET foray. Notice it got
| > dropped from the Windows 2003 Server name. The booklet that came with my
| > VC++ 2002 called .NET a revolution in computing yet the booklet that
came
| > with my VC++ 2003 doesn't hardly mention it and only gives C++ examples.
|
| That's because VC++ is about C++, not C#. Flip a few pages and have a
| look in the 'C# Section'. That's like saying "I can't find anything
| about kangaroos in a book about worms"
|
| > Besides, if need be, you can .NET C++ anyway. C# seem neat, but it is an
| > interpreted language, sort of an enhanced JavaScript, and will have
| > questionable performance.
|
| C# is *not* an interpreted language... it's a compiled language! What
| did you think the term "JIT compilation" stood for? Really, where from
| do you get your facts? Sesame Street?
|
| C# gives you very good performance - you should know how to use the
| language to do the things you want done. Secondly, the next version has
| some very neat features, like Generics - that should give a boost to
| overall performance. I've heard the next version of CLR has been tuned
| for performance. Let's wait and see.
|
| -Andre
|
| >
| > Stephen
| >
| >
| > "The LoxFather" <lo*******@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
| > news:be*************************@posting.google.co m...
| > | Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
| > | learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
| >
| >
|
Jul 19 '05 #12

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That's what I heard *someday* Microsoft promises, C# will have performance.
And in carefully constructed circumstances, sometime in the future,
Microsoft says might even make it be faster than C++ in the same carefully
constructed situation. In the mean time though, it's a Java.

Stephen
"Andre" <fo********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f********@clarion.carno.net.au...
|
|
| Stephen wrote:
|
| > Learn C/C++. Even Microsoft is waning on the .NET foray. Notice it got
| > dropped from the Windows 2003 Server name. The booklet that came with my
| > VC++ 2002 called .NET a revolution in computing yet the booklet that
came
| > with my VC++ 2003 doesn't hardly mention it and only gives C++ examples.
|
| That's because VC++ is about C++, not C#. Flip a few pages and have a
| look in the 'C# Section'. That's like saying "I can't find anything
| about kangaroos in a book about worms"
|
| > Besides, if need be, you can .NET C++ anyway. C# seem neat, but it is an
| > interpreted language, sort of an enhanced JavaScript, and will have
| > questionable performance.
|
| C# is *not* an interpreted language... it's a compiled language! What
| did you think the term "JIT compilation" stood for? Really, where from
| do you get your facts? Sesame Street?
|
| C# gives you very good performance - you should know how to use the
| language to do the things you want done. Secondly, the next version has
| some very neat features, like Generics - that should give a boost to
| overall performance. I've heard the next version of CLR has been tuned
| for performance. Let's wait and see.
|
| -Andre
|
| >
| > Stephen
| >
| >
| > "The LoxFather" <lo*******@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
| > news:be*************************@posting.google.co m...
| > | Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
| > | learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
| >
| >
|
Jul 19 '05 #13

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"Andre" <fo********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f********@clarion.carno.net.au...
C# gives you very good performance - you should know how to use the
language to do the things you want done. Secondly, the next version has
some very neat features, like Generics - that should give a boost to
overall performance.


The D Programming Language, successor to C/C++, already has generics.

www.digitalmars.com/d/comparison.html

-Walter
www.digitalmars.com
Jul 19 '05 #14

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"Andre" <fo********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f********@clarion.carno.net.au...
C# gives you very good performance - you should know how to use the
language to do the things you want done. Secondly, the next version has
some very neat features, like Generics - that should give a boost to
overall performance.


The D Programming Language, successor to C/C++, already has generics.

www.digitalmars.com/d/comparison.html

-Walter
www.digitalmars.com
Jul 19 '05 #15

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> In the mean time though, it's a Java.

I completely disagree. For that, you'll have to dig into some
documentation and do some reading.. there are many articles and papers
out there that compare Java and C# in terms of many features and qualities.

-Andre

Stephen
"Andre" <fo********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f********@clarion.carno.net.au...
|
|
| Stephen wrote:
|
| > Learn C/C++. Even Microsoft is waning on the .NET foray. Notice it got
| > dropped from the Windows 2003 Server name. The booklet that came with my
| > VC++ 2002 called .NET a revolution in computing yet the booklet that
came
| > with my VC++ 2003 doesn't hardly mention it and only gives C++ examples.
|
| That's because VC++ is about C++, not C#. Flip a few pages and have a
| look in the 'C# Section'. That's like saying "I can't find anything
| about kangaroos in a book about worms"
|
| > Besides, if need be, you can .NET C++ anyway. C# seem neat, but it is an
| > interpreted language, sort of an enhanced JavaScript, and will have
| > questionable performance.
|
| C# is *not* an interpreted language... it's a compiled language! What
| did you think the term "JIT compilation" stood for? Really, where from
| do you get your facts? Sesame Street?
|
| C# gives you very good performance - you should know how to use the
| language to do the things you want done. Secondly, the next version has
| some very neat features, like Generics - that should give a boost to
| overall performance. I've heard the next version of CLR has been tuned
| for performance. Let's wait and see.
|
| -Andre
|
| >
| > Stephen
| >
| >
| > "The LoxFather" <lo*******@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
| > news:be*************************@posting.google.co m...
| > | Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
| > | learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
| >
| >
|


Jul 19 '05 #16

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> In the mean time though, it's a Java.

I completely disagree. For that, you'll have to dig into some
documentation and do some reading.. there are many articles and papers
out there that compare Java and C# in terms of many features and qualities.

-Andre

Stephen
"Andre" <fo********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f********@clarion.carno.net.au...
|
|
| Stephen wrote:
|
| > Learn C/C++. Even Microsoft is waning on the .NET foray. Notice it got
| > dropped from the Windows 2003 Server name. The booklet that came with my
| > VC++ 2002 called .NET a revolution in computing yet the booklet that
came
| > with my VC++ 2003 doesn't hardly mention it and only gives C++ examples.
|
| That's because VC++ is about C++, not C#. Flip a few pages and have a
| look in the 'C# Section'. That's like saying "I can't find anything
| about kangaroos in a book about worms"
|
| > Besides, if need be, you can .NET C++ anyway. C# seem neat, but it is an
| > interpreted language, sort of an enhanced JavaScript, and will have
| > questionable performance.
|
| C# is *not* an interpreted language... it's a compiled language! What
| did you think the term "JIT compilation" stood for? Really, where from
| do you get your facts? Sesame Street?
|
| C# gives you very good performance - you should know how to use the
| language to do the things you want done. Secondly, the next version has
| some very neat features, like Generics - that should give a boost to
| overall performance. I've heard the next version of CLR has been tuned
| for performance. Let's wait and see.
|
| -Andre
|
| >
| > Stephen
| >
| >
| > "The LoxFather" <lo*******@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
| > news:be*************************@posting.google.co m...
| > | Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
| > | learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
| >
| >
|


Jul 19 '05 #17

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In <be*************************@posting.google.com> lo*******@e-garfield.com (The LoxFather) writes:
Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?


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Jul 19 '05 #18

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The LoxFather wrote:
Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?

Would you please stop posting this question.
You have reworded it, but alas, it is the same and has been dealt
with before.

Search the C++, C and VB newsgroups for messages that are
destined for "rec.woodworking".

If you are going to post again, to the same groups,
please tell us how you are relating the topic to all of the
newsgroups you posted to. I don't see the relationship between
programming and woodworking from your post's content.

{Programming a robotic woodworking machine would be an interesting
concept though.}

--
Thomas Matthews

C++ newsgroup welcome message:
http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt
C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite
C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html
alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq:
http://www.raos.demon.uk/acllc-c++/faq.html
Other sites:
http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book

Jul 19 '05 #19

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Rolf Magnus wrote:
This is an obvious troll. Please ignore it.

What does 'troll' stand for?
-dj

Jul 19 '05 #20

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Not even to the lions? ;)

Jul 19 '05 #21

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djinni <dj****@thelamp.bc.hsia.telus.net> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Rolf Magnus wrote:
This is an obvious troll. Please ignore it.


What does 'troll' stand for?


RTFJF: <http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html>.

Richard
Jul 19 '05 #22

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On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 02:47:23 -0700, The LoxFather wrote:
Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?


Both. No.

Offtopic in c.l.c
Probably offtopic in c.l.c++
Probably offtopic in c.l.v.b
100% offtopic in rec.photo.equipment.35mm
100% offtopic in rec.woodworking

Troll.

FUT set to alt.dev.null
hth
NPV
Jul 19 '05 #23

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C# is a new improved version of C++. It is somewhere between C++ and
Java. Learning the .net platform is an entirely different matter.
Thomas Matthews <Th**********************@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<A2**********************@newssvr28.news.prod igy.com>...
The LoxFather wrote:
Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?

Would you please stop posting this question.
You have reworded it, but alas, it is the same and has been dealt
with before.

Search the C++, C and VB newsgroups for messages that are
destined for "rec.woodworking".

If you are going to post again, to the same groups,
please tell us how you are relating the topic to all of the
newsgroups you posted to. I don't see the relationship between
programming and woodworking from your post's content.

{Programming a robotic woodworking machine would be an interesting
concept though.}

--
Thomas Matthews

C++ newsgroup welcome message:
http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt
C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite
C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html
alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq:
http://www.raos.demon.uk/acllc-c++/faq.html
Other sites:
http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book

Jul 19 '05 #24

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Johan Lexington wrote:
C# is a new improved version of C++.


Obviously, no one has any reason to take seriously anything Johan Lexington
has to say. The above was posted by either a troll or an idiot.
--
Martin Ambuhl

Jul 19 '05 #25

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Martin Ambuhl wrote:
Johan Lexington wrote:
C# is a new improved version of C++.

Obviously, no one has any reason to take seriously anything Johan
Lexington has to say. The above was posted by either a troll or an idiot.


Congratulations ... you're right on both counts.

PLEASE EVERYONE: DO NOT X-POST REPLIES
=======================================
Jul 19 '05 #26

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Joe
from the url below:-

"comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails
bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite."

isn't it "trawling" you mean?
"Richard Bos" <rl*@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote in message
news:3f***************@news.nl.net...
djinni <dj****@thelamp.bc.hsia.telus.net> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Rolf Magnus wrote:
This is an obvious troll. Please ignore it.


What does 'troll' stand for?


RTFJF: <http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html>.

Richard

Jul 19 '05 #27

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