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I'm taking an intro course on C++, and our teacher is not being
clear on how stuct memory padding is determined.

If the memory used by all components defined inside a struct
falls between a certain gradient, a struct "rounds up" to the

This teacher is somewhat erratic and has said on subsequent days
that first the padding is rounded up to nearest multiple of 4,
and then the nearest power of 2.

I reading on my own, it looks like the padding of the struct is
determined by the word size fo the platform, which I assume means
multiples of 16.

Could someone well-versed in C++ please point out how this is
done?

Cheers,
Simon

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www.stupendoustales.com
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Jan 22 '07 #1
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si****@nospam.com wrote:
I'm taking an intro course on C++, and our teacher is not being
clear on how stuct memory padding is determined.

If the memory used by all components defined inside a struct
falls between a certain gradient, a struct "rounds up" to the

This teacher is somewhat erratic and has said on subsequent days
that first the padding is rounded up to nearest multiple of 4,
and then the nearest power of 2.

I reading on my own, it looks like the padding of the struct is
determined by the word size fo the platform, which I assume means
multiples of 16.

Could someone well-versed in C++ please point out how this is
done?
While not defined by the standard, padding tends to be to the natural
alignment of the processor So on a 32 bit processor, the struct

struct X {
char a;
int b;
};

will have a size of 8 with three padding bytes after 'a'.

Some platforms support packing to eliminate padding, but this is
non-standard and impossible on some processors.

--
Ian Collins.
Jan 22 '07 #2
Hope this helps you
si****@nospam.com wrote:
I'm taking an intro course on C++, and our teacher is not being
clear on how stuct memory padding is determined.

If the memory used by all components defined inside a struct
falls between a certain gradient, a struct "rounds up" to the

This teacher is somewhat erratic and has said on subsequent days
that first the padding is rounded up to nearest multiple of 4,
and then the nearest power of 2.

I reading on my own, it looks like the padding of the struct is
determined by the word size fo the platform, which I assume means
multiples of 16.

Could someone well-versed in C++ please point out how this is
done?

Cheers,
Simon

--
Stupendous Tales
www.stupendoustales.com
Speculative Fiction, Pulp Dreams
Jan 22 '07 #3
Thanks so much. Padding of the struct will bring it up to the
next multiple of the word size, eg. 32bit/4byte

Cheers,
Simon

--
Stupendous Tales
www.stupendoustales.com
Speculative Fiction, Pulp Dreams
Jan 22 '07 #4
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Hope this helps you

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Ian Collins.
Jan 22 '07 #5
si****@nospam.com wrote:
I'm taking an intro course on C++, and our teacher is not being
clear on how stuct memory padding is determined.

If the memory used by all components defined inside a struct
falls between a certain gradient, a struct "rounds up" to the

This teacher is somewhat erratic and has said on subsequent days
that first the padding is rounded up to nearest multiple of 4,
and then the nearest power of 2.

I reading on my own, it looks like the padding of the struct is
determined by the word size fo the platform, which I assume means
multiples of 16.

Could someone well-versed in C++ please point out how this is
done?
While padding is specifically allowed in the
C++ standard, it is not specified. It in implementation dependant.

In general, however, the implementations of padding is fairly uniform.

Each member of a struct has an "alignment" which is implementation
defined. The alignment of various types is sometimes mandatory (like in
RISC processors - MIPS, PowerPC, SPARC) and sometimes and optimization
(e.g. IA32, AMD64).

The resulting alignment of a struct is the alignment of the member(s)
with the largest alignment.

e.g.

struct X { char a; char b; }; // has alignment of char

struct Y { char a; int b; short c; }; // has alignment of int

Padding is added between members to guarentee that the offset of all
members in the struct falls on a multiple of the alignment.

e.g.
if alignment of :

char is 1
long long is 8

then

struct Z
{
char a;
long long b; // offset is 8
};

sizeof Z is 16
alignment of Z is 8

.....

While that is the basic implementation, the actual alignments for each
type varies between platforms and sometimes on different "architectures"
or ABI's on each platform. For example, on MIPS o32, alignment of
double is 4 while on MIPS n32, alignment of double is 8 (IIRC).

It's really not all that hard.
Jan 22 '07 #6
I'm taking an intro course on C++, and our teacher is not being
clear on how stuct memory padding is determined.

If the memory used by all components defined inside a struct
falls between a certain gradient, a struct "rounds up" to the

This teacher is somewhat erratic and has said on subsequent days
that first the padding is rounded up to nearest multiple of 4,
and then the nearest power of 2.

I reading on my own, it looks like the padding of the struct is
determined by the word size fo the platform, which I assume means
multiples of 16.

Could someone well-versed in C++ please point out how this is
done?
The C++ standard makes no rules on this. It depends on the platform and is
sometimes controllable using compiler switches. It can also vary with the
order of declaration of variables.

Using VC++ on Windows, you can eliminate all padding if you want. By
default, a struct is rounded up to a multiple of its largest data member,
but still leaves a possible role for the order of declaration, e.g.,

struct X1
{
char ch1;
int x1;
char ch2;
int x2;
};

has a size of 16. However, the following struct, with the same members in a
different order, has a size of 12.

struct X2
{
char ch1;
char ch2;
int x1;
int x2;
};

The reason that X1 is larger is because the two ints are aligned on 4 byte
boundaries, so there are 3 bytes after each char. With X2, by contrast, you
only need 2 bytes after ch2 to achieve alignment of the ints on 4 byte
boundaries.

Read up the documentation for the compiler you are interested in to see how
it is handled.

--
John Carson
Jan 22 '07 #7
<si****@nospam.comwrote in message
: I'm taking an intro course on C++, and our teacher is not being
: clear on how stuct memory padding is determined.
:
: If the memory used by all components defined inside a struct
: falls between a certain gradient, a struct "rounds up" to the
: nearest multiple of the gradient.
:
: This teacher is somewhat erratic and has said on subsequent days
: that first the padding is rounded up to nearest multiple of 4,
: and then the nearest power of 2.
:
: I reading on my own, it looks like the padding of the struct is
: determined by the word size fo the platform, which I assume means
: multiples of 16.
:
: Could someone well-versed in C++ please point out how this is
: done?

[ keep in mind that everything related to padding is architecture-
dependent, and not something specified in the C++ standard ]

Padding is dependent on the alignment requirements of the data
members (or fields) of the struct.
For example:
struct FiveChars { char a,b,c,d,e; };
often does not have any padding (neither between members,
nor at the end of the struct): sizeof(FiveChars)==5
Here's how I would summarize things:

The alignment requirement of a data member normally is a
power of two, usually up to the largest word size of the
target architecture.
For example: char<->1 short<->2 long<->4 long long<-4 or 8 ?
(but on a 16-bit architecture, 2 bytes might be the largest alignment
requirement, applying to all primitive types except (signed/u)char ).

Each data member is preceded by the padding required to align
itself properly relative to the beginning of the struct.

The size of the whole struct is padded so that it is a multiple
of the largest alignment requirement of its data fields.
I hope this helps --Ivan
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Jan 22 '07 #8
si****@nospam.com wrote:
Thanks so much. Padding of the struct will bring it up to the
next multiple of the word size, eg. 32bit/4byte
There is no standard rule that will predict how a C++ compiler will
distribute padding bytes (if any) within a particular struct.

In fact, it would be a mistake to think that there is only alignment
convention per machine architecture. On the contrary, alignment
conventions tend to accumulate over time. Old ones never really go away
- because as soon as some struct with a particular alignment convention
is saved to a disk for the first time - then that alignment convention
will effectively be around forever. For example, C++ compilers on the
Macintosh recognized three different alignment conventions that exist
on that platform (68K, Power, "natural"). And most C++ compilers allow
a programmer to specify the size and location of a struct's padding
bytes themselves, just in case the conventional schemes are not enough.

Greg

Jan 22 '07 #9

si****@nospam.com wrote:
Thanks so much. Padding of the struct will bring it up to the
next multiple of the word size, eg. 32bit/4byte

Cheers,
Simon

--
Stupendous Tales
www.stupendoustales.com
Speculative Fiction, Pulp Dreams
The statements in the link given in a previous post were not entirely
accurate. Basically, padding occurs because the underlying CPU either
requires or prefers a given alignment when reading/writing fundamental
types. This is not necesarrily the same size as the word size. One
example is the newer x86 processors where an optimal reading of doubles
requires the double to be aligned on an 8 byte boundary. Thus
struct s { char c; double d; } will most likely occupy 16 bytes.

/Peter

Jan 22 '07 #10

peter koch wrote:
[snip]
The statements in the link given in a previous post were not entirely
accurate.
[snip]
And some very good explanations have been given elsewhere in this

/Peter

Jan 22 '07 #11
peter koch <pe***************@gmail.comwrote:
>
si****@nospam.com wrote:
>Thanks so much. Padding of the struct will bring it up to the
next multiple of the word size, eg. 32bit/4byte

Cheers,
Simon

--
Stupendous Tales
www.stupendoustales.com
Speculative Fiction, Pulp Dreams
The statements in the link given in a previous post were not entirely
accurate. Basically, padding occurs because the underlying CPU either
requires or prefers a given alignment when reading/writing fundamental
types. This is not necesarrily the same size as the word size. One
example is the newer x86 processors where an optimal reading of doubles
requires the double to be aligned on an 8 byte boundary. Thus
struct s { char c; double d; } will most likely occupy 16 bytes.

/Peter
My teacher has given me no background such as this.

This is the 2nd course in the 2 course intro to programming. The
1st course used to be C++, but now it is Java, so the low level
programming techniques that used to be covered in the 1st course
are lost. But the teacher has not adjusted the 2nd course
appropriately. Maddening. Though I guess its always better to

Cheers
Simon

--
Stupendous Tales
www.stupendoustales.com
Speculative Fiction, Pulp Dreams
Jan 22 '07 #12

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