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Possible to use Codewarrior 7 to program under WinXT?

Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++, and just discovered on my
bookshelve Codewarrior 7. It says Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME. Can I
develop a command line application that will work on my XT machine? A
grahpical interface?

Thanks a lot for any thoughts on this. I know I should get a newer
compiler but if I could save the money for the time being that would be
great.

Thanks.

Jan 15 '07 #1
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BillJosephson wrote:
Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++, and just discovered on my
bookshelve Codewarrior 7. It says Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME. Can I
develop a command line application that will work on my XT machine? A
grahpical interface?

Thanks a lot for any thoughts on this. I know I should get a newer
compiler but if I could save the money for the time being that would be
great.
My guess is that it just means that those where the Windows
versions available when Codewarrior 7 was released.

It will probably work fine on XP.

I don't know the product, but if it is professionally
grade, then you can configure it to use a newer Java version
(even though maybe syntax highlighting may not work optimal
with the new Java 1.5 syntaxes).

Arne
Jan 15 '07 #2
IR
BillJosephson wrote:
Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++, and just discovered
on my bookshelve Codewarrior 7. It says Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000,
ME. Can I develop a command line application that will work on my
XT machine? A grahpical interface?
Are you meaning Windows XP? If so, you should already be aware that XP
is a descendant of the NT/2000 family (in opposition to the 9x
family). So the answer to your question is: yes.
Thanks a lot for any thoughts on this. I know I should get a newer
compiler but if I could save the money for the time being that
would be great.
FWIW, Microsoft's Visual C++ 2005 Express edition is free for
download. Just google for it.

Cheers,
--
IR
Jan 15 '07 #3
IR
IR wrote:
BillJosephson wrote:
>Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++
I forgot to mention Eclipse for Java development (which is free also).

Incidentally, you could also use it's CDT plugin for C++ development.
Cheers,
--
IR
Jan 15 '07 #4
BillJosephson wrote:
Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++, and just discovered on my
bookshelve Codewarrior 7. It says Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME. Can I
develop a command line application that will work on my XT machine? A
grahpical interface?
Windows 2.11 (the earliest version I've ever seen), which requires an
80286 processor, won't even run on an XT, let alone any of the Windows
versions you mentioned. The XT is primarily useful as a DOS machine
since it's limited to a maximum of ~1 MB of RAM. Since Windows 3.x and
earlier, and those older DOS versions, don't support long filenames, it
simply won't be possible to do real Java development.

If you're looking to write Java code, you're going to need newer
hardware. I recommend at least a Pentium I (80586 processor) as an
absolute minimum. And then, for the Microsoft Windows family, you'll
need Windows 2000 or newer (e.g., Windows XP) to use the current
version of Java -- scrap Windows 95/98/ME since these are no longer
supported by Microsoft (and Windows ME will be soon if it hasn't been
discontinued already).

You might also consider using Unix or Linux (I recommend NetBSD Unix
with Gnome {GUI} because they aren't known to be memory hogs, and
NetBSD has a very novice-friendly support community in IRC, etc.) if
you can't afford the newest hardware since the hefty cost of a Windows
license can be used to purchase better hardware.

As for C++, you can probably do it with an XT, but that's beyond the
scope of the Java newsgroup you posted this in.
Thanks a lot for any thoughts on this. I know I should get a newer
compiler but if I could save the money for the time being that would be
great.
If I were you, I'd worry about getting a newer computer -- you
obviously got more value out of your XT than anyone I know given that
the 8088 processor is ancient hardware nowadays. Given the speed
difference between an XT processor (typically up to 8 MHz) and modern
PC processors (typically measured in GHz which is well over 1,000 times
faster given additional enhancements such as Caching, Pipelining,
HyperThreading, and so much more), it doesn't really make sense to
consider using an XT for any levels of serious software development
anymore.
Thanks.
You're welcome, and congratulations on having an XT that actually still
works (maybe the Guiness Book of World Records will add an entry for
you in their next book?). =)

Jan 15 '07 #5
ki**********@lumbercartel.ca wrote:
BillJosephson wrote:
>Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++, and just discovered on my
bookshelve Codewarrior 7. It says Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME. Can I
develop a command line application that will work on my XT machine? A
grahpical interface?

Windows 2.11 (the earliest version I've ever seen), which requires an
80286 processor, won't even run on an XT, let alone any of the Windows
versions you mentioned. The XT is primarily useful as a DOS machine
since it's limited to a maximum of ~1 MB of RAM. Since Windows 3.x and
earlier, and those older DOS versions, don't support long filenames, it
simply won't be possible to do real Java development.
The other replies has assumed that XT was typo and the
poster meant XP.

Well - it do say XT.

Arne
Jan 15 '07 #6
Arne Vajhøj wrote:
[sNip]
The other replies has assumed that XT was typo and the
poster meant XP.

Well - it do say XT.
Considering that one of my clients just got rid of their XT less than 2
years ago (they sure got their money's worth out of it), it didn't seem
all that unrealistic. Anyway, good-bye DOS, and hello Java & friends!

Jan 15 '07 #7
Lew
BillJosephson wrote:
>>Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++
IR wrote:
I forgot to mention Eclipse for Java development (which is free also).

Incidentally, you could also use it's [sic] CDT plugin for C++ development.
There are many IDEs (integrated development environments) available for Java
development, and few not-so-I DEs like emacs, many of which are free. Java
itself is free ("as in beer").

GIYF.

- Lew
Jan 15 '07 #8
ki**********@lumbercartel.ca wrote:
>

Windows 2.11 (the earliest version I've ever seen), which requires an
80286 processor, won't even run on an XT, let alone any of the Windows
versions you mentioned. The XT is primarily useful as a DOS machine
since it's limited to a maximum of ~1 MB of RAM. Since Windows 3.x and
earlier, and those older DOS versions, don't support long filenames, it
simply won't be possible to do real Java development.
No, 2.11 would run on a straight 8088. Not very well, but it *would* run.

Even Windows 3.0 would run on an 8088 in real mode. Windows 3.1 was the
first version (not counting Windows/386) which would not run on an 8088.
Jan 15 '07 #9
IR
Arne Vajhøj wrote:
The other replies has assumed that XT was typo and the
poster meant XP.

Well - it do say XT.
Two things make me think that the OP actually meant XP:

- "WinXT" in the post subject
- the mention of a _newer_ compiler

But well, I guess only the OP can tell ;-)
Cheers,
--
IR
Jan 15 '07 #10

ki**********@lumbercartel.ca wrote:
BillJosephson wrote:
Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++, and just discovered on my
bookshelve Codewarrior 7. It says Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME. Can I
develop a command line application that will work on my XT machine? A
grahpical interface?

Windows 2.11 (the earliest version I've ever seen), which requires an
80286 processor, won't even run on an XT, let alone any of the Windows
versions you mentioned. The XT is primarily useful as a DOS machine
since it's limited to a maximum of ~1 MB of RAM. Since Windows 3.x and
earlier, and those older DOS versions, don't support long filenames, it
simply won't be possible to do real Java development.

If you're looking to write Java code, you're going to need newer
hardware. I recommend at least a Pentium I (80586 processor) as an
absolute minimum. And then, for the Microsoft Windows family, you'll
need Windows 2000 or newer (e.g., Windows XP) to use the current
version of Java -- scrap Windows 95/98/ME since these are no longer
supported by Microsoft (and Windows ME will be soon if it hasn't been
discontinued already).

You might also consider using Unix or Linux (I recommend NetBSD Unix
with Gnome {GUI} because they aren't known to be memory hogs, and
NetBSD has a very novice-friendly support community in IRC, etc.) if
you can't afford the newest hardware since the hefty cost of a Windows
license can be used to purchase better hardware.

As for C++, you can probably do it with an XT, but that's beyond the
scope of the Java newsgroup you posted this in.
Thanks a lot for any thoughts on this. I know I should get a newer
compiler but if I could save the money for the time being that would be
great.

If I were you, I'd worry about getting a newer computer -- you
obviously got more value out of your XT than anyone I know given that
the 8088 processor is ancient hardware nowadays. Given the speed
difference between an XT processor (typically up to 8 MHz) and modern
PC processors (typically measured in GHz which is well over 1,000 times
faster given additional enhancements such as Caching, Pipelining,
HyperThreading, and so much more), it doesn't really make sense to
consider using an XT for any levels of serious software development
anymore.
Thanks.

You're welcome, and congratulations on having an XT that actually still
works (maybe the Guiness Book of World Records will add an entry for
you in their next book?). =)


Hi, sorry for my mistake, I meant a PC running windows XT. I have
several machines I can use from my Dell D800 laptop to my dual opteron
workstations.

I fuzzily recall that there machines called XTs.

I also remember going to a little dumpy shop in a strip mall that sold
computers back in the 80s. They had two kinds, and I think the least
powerful was an XT, and the more powerful was an AT and that was the
only kinds of PCs then. The AT was an 80286 I think and the XT was just
an 8086. The person who owned that little shop in Austin was named
Michael Dell.

Jan 15 '07 #11

BillJosephson wrote:
ki**********@lumbercartel.ca wrote:
BillJosephson wrote:
Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++, and just discovered on my
bookshelve Codewarrior 7. It says Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME. Can I
develop a command line application that will work on my XT machine? A
grahpical interface?
Windows 2.11 (the earliest version I've ever seen), which requires an
80286 processor, won't even run on an XT, let alone any of the Windows
versions you mentioned. The XT is primarily useful as a DOS machine
since it's limited to a maximum of ~1 MB of RAM. Since Windows 3.x and
earlier, and those older DOS versions, don't support long filenames, it
simply won't be possible to do real Java development.

If you're looking to write Java code, you're going to need newer
hardware. I recommend at least a Pentium I (80586 processor) as an
absolute minimum. And then, for the Microsoft Windows family, you'll
need Windows 2000 or newer (e.g., Windows XP) to use the current
version of Java -- scrap Windows 95/98/ME since these are no longer
supported by Microsoft (and Windows ME will be soon if it hasn't been
discontinued already).

You might also consider using Unix or Linux (I recommend NetBSD Unix
with Gnome {GUI} because they aren't known to be memory hogs, and
NetBSD has a very novice-friendly support community in IRC, etc.) if
you can't afford the newest hardware since the hefty cost of a Windows
license can be used to purchase better hardware.

As for C++, you can probably do it with an XT, but that's beyond the
scope of the Java newsgroup you posted this in.
Thanks a lot for any thoughts on this. I know I should get a newer
compiler but if I could save the money for the time being that would be
great.
If I were you, I'd worry about getting a newer computer -- you
obviously got more value out of your XT than anyone I know given that
the 8088 processor is ancient hardware nowadays. Given the speed
difference between an XT processor (typically up to 8 MHz) and modern
PC processors (typically measured in GHz which is well over 1,000 times
faster given additional enhancements such as Caching, Pipelining,
HyperThreading, and so much more), it doesn't really make sense to
consider using an XT for any levels of serious software development
anymore.
Thanks.
You're welcome, and congratulations on having an XT that actually still
works (maybe the Guiness Book of World Records will add an entry for
you in their next book?). =)

Hi, sorry for my mistake, I meant a PC running windows XT. I have
several machines I can use from my Dell D800 laptop to my dual opteron
workstations.

I fuzzily recall that there machines called XTs.

I also remember going to a little dumpy shop in a strip mall that sold
computers back in the 80s. They had two kinds, and I think the least
powerful was an XT, and the more powerful was an AT and that was the
only kinds of PCs then. The AT was an 80286 I think and the XT was just
an 8086. The person who owned that little shop in Austin was named
Michael Dell.

Duh.....WindowsXP !! My brain took MLK day off.

Jan 15 '07 #12
red floyd wrote:
ki**********@lumbercartel.ca wrote:
Windows 2.11 (the earliest version I've ever seen), which requires an
80286 processor, won't even run on an XT, let alone any of the Windows
versions you mentioned. The XT is primarily useful as a DOS machine
since it's limited to a maximum of ~1 MB of RAM. Since Windows 3.x and
earlier, and those older DOS versions, don't support long filenames, it
simply won't be possible to do real Java development.

No, 2.11 would run on a straight 8088. Not very well, but it *would* run.

Even Windows 3.0 would run on an 8088 in real mode. Windows 3.1 was the
first version (not counting Windows/386) which would not run on an 8088.
Oh yeah, that's right. It wouldn't be of much use though because most
of the useful applications for Windows 2.x required an 80286 processor,
and for Windows 3.0 required an 80386 processor respectively. It was
certainly enough for countless hours of Solitaire and Reversi [0]
though.

[0] "Othello" is the better-known name for that game.

Jan 16 '07 #13
BillJosephson wrote:
BillJosephson wrote:
ki**********@lumbercartel.ca wrote:
BillJosephson wrote:
>
Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++, and just discovered on my
bookshelve Codewarrior 7. It says Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME. Can I
develop a command line application that will work on my XT machine? A
grahpical interface?
>
Windows 2.11 (the earliest version I've ever seen), which requires an
80286 processor, won't even run on an XT, let alone any of the Windows
versions you mentioned. The XT is primarily useful as a DOS machine
since it's limited to a maximum of ~1 MB of RAM. Since Windows 3.x and
earlier, and those older DOS versions, don't support long filenames, it
simply won't be possible to do real Java development.
>
If you're looking to write Java code, you're going to need newer
hardware. I recommend at least a Pentium I (80586 processor) as an
absolute minimum. And then, for the Microsoft Windows family, you'll
need Windows 2000 or newer (e.g., Windows XP) to use the current
version of Java -- scrap Windows 95/98/ME since these are no longer
supported by Microsoft (and Windows ME will be soon if it hasn't been
discontinued already).
>
You might also consider using Unix or Linux (I recommend NetBSD Unix
with Gnome {GUI} because they aren't known to be memory hogs, and
NetBSD has a very novice-friendly support community in IRC, etc.) if
you can't afford the newest hardware since the hefty cost of a Windows
license can be used to purchase better hardware.
>
As for C++, you can probably do it with an XT, but that's beyond the
scope of the Java newsgroup you posted this in.
>
Thanks a lot for any thoughts on this. I know I should get a newer
compiler but if I could save the money for the time being that would be
great.
>
If I were you, I'd worry about getting a newer computer -- you
obviously got more value out of your XT than anyone I know given that
the 8088 processor is ancient hardware nowadays. Given the speed
difference between an XT processor (typically up to 8 MHz) and modern
PC processors (typically measured in GHz which is well over 1,000 times
faster given additional enhancements such as Caching, Pipelining,
HyperThreading, and so much more), it doesn't really make sense to
consider using an XT for any levels of serious software development
anymore.
>
Thanks.
>
You're welcome, and congratulations on having an XT that actually still
works (maybe the Guiness Book of World Records will add an entry for
you in their next book?). =)
Hi, sorry for my mistake, I meant a PC running windows XT. I have
several machines I can use from my Dell D800 laptop to my dual opteron
workstations.

I fuzzily recall that there machines called XTs.

I also remember going to a little dumpy shop in a strip mall that sold
computers back in the 80s. They had two kinds, and I think the least
powerful was an XT, and the more powerful was an AT and that was the
only kinds of PCs then. The AT was an 80286 I think and the XT was just
an 8086. The person who owned that little shop in Austin was named
Michael Dell.

Duh.....WindowsXP !! My brain took MLK day off.
Heheh, that was fascinating! Thanks for not giving up on us. =)

Jan 16 '07 #14

Lew wrote:
BillJosephson wrote:
>Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++

IR wrote:
I forgot to mention Eclipse for Java development (which is free also).

Incidentally, you could also use it's [sic] CDT plugin for C++ development.

There are many IDEs (integrated development environments) available for Java
development, and few not-so-I DEs like emacs, many of which are free. Java
itself is free ("as in beer").

GIYF.

- Lew
Yeah, I looked at this a while back. I like the sound of jEdit but
never could figure out how to get it configured like an IDE, with
debugger window and a way to watch variables, etc. There just doesn't
seem to be much approachable documentation.

Would you recommend an IDE that sort of looke like Visual IDEs or
Codewarrior? With an editor window, a debugger with conditional
breakpoints, a way to watch varibles, an output window....all at the
same time?
Preferrably with lots of clear documentation?

Thanks.....

Jan 16 '07 #15
BillJosephson wrote:
Would you recommend an IDE that sort of looke like Visual IDEs or
Codewarrior? With an editor window, a debugger with conditional
breakpoints, a way to watch varibles, an output window....all at the
same time?
Preferrably with lots of clear documentation?
I'm not familiar with Codewarrior but I suspect most IDEs would fit the
requirements stated. I use Eclipse, it does all the above.
Jan 16 '07 #16
In article <11**********************@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups .com>,
bi***********@hotmail.com says...
>
Lew wrote:
BillJosephson wrote:
>>Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++
IR wrote:
I forgot to mention Eclipse for Java development (which is free also).
>
Incidentally, you could also use it's [sic] CDT plugin for C++ development.
There are many IDEs (integrated development environments) available for Java
development, and few not-so-I DEs like emacs, many of which are free. Java
itself is free ("as in beer").

GIYF.

- Lew

Yeah, I looked at this a while back. I like the sound of jEdit but
never could figure out how to get it configured like an IDE, with
debugger window and a way to watch variables, etc. There just doesn't
seem to be much approachable documentation.

Would you recommend an IDE that sort of looke like Visual IDEs or
Codewarrior? With an editor window, a debugger with conditional
breakpoints, a way to watch varibles, an output window....all at the
same time?
Eclipse. If you only need java support, you could also look at the free
version of NetBeans.

--
Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
newsgroups if possible).
Jan 16 '07 #17
Lew
David Kerber wrote:
Eclipse. If you only need java support, you could also look at the free
version of NetBeans.
All versions of NetBeans are free.

- Lew
Jan 16 '07 #18
In article <3_******************************@comcast.com>,
le*@nowhere.com says...
David Kerber wrote:
Eclipse. If you only need java support, you could also look at the free
version of NetBeans.

All versions of NetBeans are free.
Ok, thanks. Somehow I had it in my mind that they had both free and
non-free versions.

--
Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
newsgroups if possible).
Jan 16 '07 #19
ki**********@lumbercartel.ca wrote:
[0] "Othello" is the better-known name for that game.
"Othello" is a trademark. "Reversi" is the real name of the game, far
older, and not a trademark.

--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Jan 16 '07 #20
David Kerber wrote:
In article <3_******************************@comcast.com>,
le*@nowhere.com says...
>David Kerber wrote:
>>Eclipse. If you only need java support, you could also look at the free
version of NetBeans.
All versions of NetBeans are free.

Ok, thanks. Somehow I had it in my mind that they had both free and
non-free versions.
A long time ago SUN sold a modified NetBeans as Forte for Java.

Arne
Jan 17 '07 #21

David Kerber wrote:
In article <11**********************@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups .com>,
bi***********@hotmail.com says...

Lew wrote:
BillJosephson wrote:
>Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++
>
IR wrote:
I forgot to mention Eclipse for Java development (which is free also).

Incidentally, you could also use it's [sic] CDT plugin for C++ development.
>
There are many IDEs (integrated development environments) available for Java
development, and few not-so-I DEs like emacs, many of which are free. Java
itself is free ("as in beer").
>
GIYF.
>
- Lew
Yeah, I looked at this a while back. I like the sound of jEdit but
never could figure out how to get it configured like an IDE, with
debugger window and a way to watch variables, etc. There just doesn't
seem to be much approachable documentation.

Would you recommend an IDE that sort of looke like Visual IDEs or
Codewarrior? With an editor window, a debugger with conditional
breakpoints, a way to watch varibles, an output window....all at the
same time?

Eclipse. If you only need java support, you could also look at the free
version of NetBeans.

--
Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
newsgroups if possible).

Thanks. I tried netbeans but it looked like it was going to take some
work to get a handle on. For one, I didn't see how to set it up with
variable watch window, code window....I imagine it can do it and I
should take the time to check into it, since after all it does come
free with java.

Is Eclipse free?

Jan 17 '07 #22
In article <11*********************@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.c om>,
bi***********@hotmail.com says...
Hi, I want to write a program in Java or C++, and just discovered on my
bookshelve Codewarrior 7. It says Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME. Can I
develop a command line application that will work on my XT machine? A
grahpical interface?
Win2K and WinXP are quite similar in what they will run, so I would
think you're probably ok.
>
Thanks a lot for any thoughts on this. I know I should get a newer
compiler but if I could save the money for the time being that would be
great.

Thanks.

--
Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
newsgroups if possible).
Jan 17 '07 #23
In article <11**********************@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>,
bi***********@hotmail.com says...

....
Would you recommend an IDE that sort of looke like Visual IDEs or
Codewarrior? With an editor window, a debugger with conditional
breakpoints, a way to watch varibles, an output window....all at the
same time?
Eclipse. If you only need java support, you could also look at the free
version of NetBeans.

--
Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
newsgroups if possible).


Thanks. I tried netbeans but it looked like it was going to take some
work to get a handle on. For one, I didn't see how to set it up with
variable watch window, code window....I imagine it can do it and I
should take the time to check into it, since after all it does come
free with java.
Yes, it has all those functions; you just have to learn how to activate
them.
>
Is Eclipse free?
Yes, from www.eclipse.org. I found it a bit less intuitive than
netbeans, with a somewhat (though not dramatically) steeper learning
curve, but it is also more versatile, since it can work with other
languages than just java.

--
Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
newsgroups if possible).
Jan 17 '07 #24
David Kerber wrote:
>
>>Is Eclipse free?


Yes, from www.eclipse.org. I found it a bit less intuitive than
netbeans, with a somewhat (though not dramatically) steeper learning
curve, but it is also more versatile, since it can work with other
languages than just java.
Starting with version 5.5, Netbeans has a C++ plugin, available free
from the Netbeans website.
Jan 18 '07 #25
Lew
le*@nowhere.com says...
>All versions of NetBeans are free.
Arne Vajhøj wrote:
A long time ago SUN sold a modified NetBeans as Forte for Java.
Which was not called NetBeans.

- Lew
Jan 19 '07 #26
Lew
Greymaus wrote:
Starting with version 5.5, Netbeans has a C++ plugin, available free
from the Netbeans website.
For gcc C/ C++, I have found nothing I like better than emacs, make and gdb.

emacs has wonderful integration for these tools.

For Java I prefer Netbeans. I also use Eclipse and WebSphere Application
Developer, also emacs + Ant. I have used a handful of others.

- Lew
Jan 19 '07 #27

Lew wrote:
Greymaus wrote:
Starting with version 5.5, Netbeans has a C++ plugin, available free
from the Netbeans website.

For gcc C/ C++, I have found nothing I like better than emacs, make and gdb.

emacs has wonderful integration for these tools.

For Java I prefer Netbeans. I also use Eclipse and WebSphere Application
Developer, also emacs + Ant. I have used a handful of others.

- Lew

Lew, do you do much graphical interfacd development? I've used emacs,
and I wonder if it has tools like graphical interface development tools
these days. Also, how does it do in integrating with APIs (I mean
toolboxes that work with a parcitular OS)?

Thanks.

Jan 19 '07 #28
Lew
Lew wrote:
>For gcc C/ C++, I have found nothing I like better than emacs, make and gdb.

emacs has wonderful integration for these tools.

For Java I prefer Netbeans. I also use Eclipse and WebSphere Application
Developer, also emacs + Ant. I have used a handful of others.
BillJosephson wrote:
Lew, do you do much graphical interfacd development? I've used emacs,
and I wonder if it has tools like graphical interface development tools
these days. Also, how does it do in integrating with APIs (I mean
toolboxes that work with a parcitular OS)?
I am not using emacs for heavy development these days because Netbeans is
stronger for Java. When I used emacs for C++ I did not miss GUI wizards, I
just programmed from the source text and did many compile/run cycles to test
the output. I would also write a GUI-only facade and test it, then inherit
that to fill in the logic (sort of a "poor-man's MVC" before I was familiar
with the MVC pattern).

To step back, your question has me re-evaluate my position. I still use emacs
for small, quick steps, but I think by now I am addicted to IDEs for major
sessions of work.

- Lew
Jan 19 '07 #29
Lew wrote:
le*@nowhere.com says...
>>All versions of NetBeans are free.

Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>A long time ago SUN sold a modified NetBeans as Forte for Java.

Which was not called NetBeans.
It is still a version of NetBeans even though it
does not have NetBeans in the name.

WSAD is also a version of Eclipse.

WAS CE is a version of Geronimo.

IBM HTTPD is a version of Apache HTTPD.

Etc.

Arne

Jan 20 '07 #30

Lew wrote:
Lew wrote:
For gcc C/ C++, I have found nothing I like better than emacs, make and gdb.

emacs has wonderful integration for these tools.

For Java I prefer Netbeans. I also use Eclipse and WebSphere Application
Developer, also emacs + Ant. I have used a handful of others.

BillJosephson wrote:
Lew, do you do much graphical interfacd development? I've used emacs,
and I wonder if it has tools like graphical interface development tools
these days. Also, how does it do in integrating with APIs (I mean
toolboxes that work with a parcitular OS)?

I am not using emacs for heavy development these days because Netbeans is
stronger for Java. When I used emacs for C++ I did not miss GUI wizards, I
just programmed from the source text and did many compile/run cycles to test
the output. I would also write a GUI-only facade and test it, then inherit
that to fill in the logic (sort of a "poor-man's MVC" before I was familiar
with the MVC pattern).

To step back, your question has me re-evaluate my position. I still use emacs
for small, quick steps, but I think by now I am addicted to IDEs for major
sessions of work.

- Lew
Yeah, Codewarrior on the Mac did that for me. I am spoiled. There was a
pretty nice IDE under KDE on Linux, not sure what's up with that now.
Since you seem a nice chap....can you suggest the quickest thing to
read to get on top of net beans enough to configure it like a good IDE?
When I took a java class I downloaded it along with the runtime engine
from Sun, so I figure it must be OK, but it seemed like it was going to
take some time (read: too much RTFM) to get going so I did the class
with jGRASP. Not a very good environment though. So if you have any
suggestions that would be great. Maybe the supplied docs are the way to
go though. Just was hoping for something like the third party books
that got me up and running with Codewarrior so much faster than the
voluminous Metrowerks docs.

Thanks...

Jan 21 '07 #31
Lew wrote:
le*@nowhere.com says...
>>All versions of NetBeans are free.

Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>A long time ago SUN sold a modified NetBeans as Forte for Java.
ITYM "Attempted to sell".
>
Which was not called NetBeans.
At times it was and at times not. The basic Forte for Java was free and was
clearly a packaged and branded version of Netbeans. Sun attempted to sell
"advanced" Netbeans modules for building web applications and EJBs.
Feb 18 '07 #32
Mike Schilling wrote:
Lew wrote:
>le*@nowhere.com says...
>>>All versions of NetBeans are free.
Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>A long time ago SUN sold a modified NetBeans as Forte for Java.

ITYM "Attempted to sell".
About right.

:-)

Arne
Feb 18 '07 #33

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