hi all,
if I have:
if(A && B || C)
which operation gets executed first?
If I remeber well should be &&, am I correct?
thanks
Ivan
Dec 7 '06
122  4122 
santosh wrote:
And can you point us to a country that enforces the English vocabulary
of it's people with a dictionary?
I agree with you.
I only know it to happen
in George Orwell's science fiction novell "1984",
where the concept of a dictionary defining the language,
instead of reflecting usage,
was presented in stark contrast
to the way that it was in 1948 when the book was written,
which is the same way that it is today.
--
pete
Ben Bacarisse <be********@bsb.me.ukwrote:
You have to add more than that or you and your readers will go
bonkers. Probably at least dereference, ".", "->", cast, array
subscript, function call and assignment. I might add even more, but
then I like C's rules.
For example the perfectly reasonable:
h = h * 37UL + (unsigned char) *string++;
would be
h = (h * 37UL + ((unsigned char) *(string++)));
by your rules.
Different people have different comfort levels with their knowledge.
I can never remember which of unary-* and ++ binds tighter. So I
would write the above expression as:
h = h * 37UL + (unsigned char) *(string++);
In article <45****************@news.xs4all.nl>,
Richard Bos <rl*@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nlwrote:
>Besides, there are really only three cases which are confusing, and one
of them is not that common:
- the bitwise operators;
- the shift operators;
- the relative precedence of the ternary, assignment, and comma
operators (among these three; not with respect to the others).
The last seems fairly intuitive to me. Clearly comma has to bind less
tightly than assignment, otherwise it would be inconsistent with
initialization:
int a=1, b=2;
a=3, b=4;
and it's much more common[1] to use the conditional operator to produce a
result for assignment than to choose between assignments, so it should
bind more tightly than assignment.
Looking at the bitwise operators, I was surprised to see that
inclusive-or and exclusive-or have different precedence, but I don't
attempt to remember their precedence.
[1] even if it isn't, it intuitively seems likely, which is the point here!
-- Richard
--
"Consideration shall be given to the need for as many as 32 characters
in some alphabets" - X3.4, 1963.
Richard Bos wrote:
"santosh" <sa*********@gmail.comwrote:
CBFalconer wrote:
<snip>
The usage seems odd to us, but the meaning is clear. More to the
point, why do many Indians persist in using silly abbreviations
such as u, ur, etc. Did they pick it up from the kewl script
kiddies or other low lifes.
It's the result of the rampant use of cell phones with SMS facility.
That's no excuse. SMS is ridiculously popular here, as well, and
SMS-sp3k is used here, too, including in IM and email from school
children, but you rarely see anyone use it after they grow up, and
certainly not in a serious context.
They're used in various web forums and they probably don't realise
Usenet is not just another web forum, coming as they are, through
Google Groups. That's my best guess anyway.
Since each character costs a certain amount,
What a weird arrangement. Over here, each SMS costs something, but that
amount is nothing to do with the length of the message, and everything
with whom you are sending it to.
Here cost varies both with the length and destination of the message.
It also takes, (relatively), too long to type out SMS messages in full
length on the cumbersome cell phone buttons.
<snip>
Cost is also, partly, the reason why the very vast majority use Google
Groups to access Usenet. Subscriptions with news providers are not
cheap, (especially if you consider that almost no Indian ISP provides
Usenet access as a part of their package), and hunting around for
public/free news servers is too much of a technical hassle.
news.individual.net. Spread the word.
Is that free (as in beer)? If not, it won't work.
Richard Bos wrote:
"santosh" <sa*********@gmail.comwrote:
Ian Collins wrote:
<snip>
Can you point us to a dictionary that lists doubt as a synonym of question?
And can you point us to a country that enforces the English vocabulary
of it's people with a dictionary?
No.
Basically, by using "doubt" as if it meant "question", you're not
breaking any constraints, but you _are_ invoking undefined linguistic
behaviour. Don't complain about any resulting conversational bus error.
There is no central authority whose constraints are liable to be
broken, and I would say that it invokes implementation defined
linguistic behaviour, and I'm not the one who is complaining here.
santosh wrote:
>
.... snip ...
>
And can you point us to a country that enforces the English
vocabulary of it's people with a dictionary?
After eliminating the word 'English', France, and even worse, la
belle province de Quebec, which is not now and never has been a
country.
--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Richard Tobin said:
In article <45****************@news.xs4all.nl>,
Richard Bos <rl*@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nlwrote:
>>Because, in English as it's taught here the word doubt is synonymous
with the word question.
>>Then, beg pardon, what's taught there isn't English.
It's not British English,
It is sufficient to say "English"; we don't need to label our language with
its country of origin, for the same reason that we don't need to put the
name of our country on our stamps. And Mr Bos is correct. In English, using
"doubt" in the noun form as a synonym for "question" is simply wrong.
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999 http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.
In article <A5******************************@bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>It's not British English,
>It is sufficient to say "English"; we don't need to label our language with
its country of origin
Alas no. By imposing our language on the world through imperialism,
we lost that right. If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves we wouldn't
have the problem.
-- Richard
--
"Consideration shall be given to the need for as many as 32 characters
in some alphabets" - X3.4, 1963.
Richard Tobin said:
In article <A5******************************@bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>>It's not British English,
>>It is sufficient to say "English"; we don't need to label our language
with its country of origin
Alas no. By imposing our language on the world through imperialism,
we lost that right.
I didn't impose my language on anyone (except, arguably, my children). And I
didn't lose any rights whatsoever by so doing. YMMV.
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves we wouldn't have the problem.
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd all be speaking German!
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999 http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.
In article <sK******************************@bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>Alas no. By imposing our language on the world through imperialism,
we lost that right.
>I didn't impose my language on anyone (except, arguably, my children). And I
didn't lose any rights whatsoever by so doing. YMMV.
You're right, few of us alive now personally did that. But the
Indians and others who had British rule imposed on them may reasonably
feel that they have the right to call the language they have had to
learn "English", regardless of how it differs from the version spoken
in Britain. So we cannot expect the unqualified term to unambiguously
refer to that version.
[As an aside, there was one of those aren't-Americans-stupid surveys a
few years ago, in which some large proportion of US children were
unable to guess what language was spoken in England.]
>If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves we wouldn't have the problem.
>If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd all be speaking German!
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd never have invited them
over in 1688...
-- Richard
--
"Consideration shall be given to the need for as many as 32 characters
in some alphabets" - X3.4, 1963.
santosh wrote:
Richard Bos wrote:
>"santosh" <sa*********@gmail.comwrote:
.... snip ...
>
Here cost varies both with the length and destination of the message.
It also takes, (relatively), too long to type out SMS messages in full
length on the cumbersome cell phone buttons.
<snip>
>>Cost is also, partly, the reason why the very vast majority use
Google Groups to access Usenet. Subscriptions with news providers
are not/ cheap, (especially if you consider that almost no Indian
ISP provides Usenet access as a part of their package), and hunting
around for public/free news servers is too much of a technical hassle.
news.individual.net. Spread the word.
Is that free (as in beer)? If not, it won't work.
10 EUR per year, according to their page. However teranews.com has
a one time charge of about 4 USD for registration, and is free
thereafter. There are more free ones, including www.newsreaders.com.
--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Richard Heathfield wrote:
Richard Tobin said:
>Richard Bos <rl*@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nlwrote:
>>>Because, in English as it's taught here the word doubt is
synonymous with the word question.
>>Then, beg pardon, what's taught there isn't English.
It's not British English,
It is sufficient to say "English"; we don't need to label our
language with its country of origin, for the same reason that we
don't need to put the name of our country on our stamps. And Mr
Bos is correct. In English, using "doubt" in the noun form as a
synonym for "question" is simply wrong.
But "have a doubt" is an idiom. I have been known to have doubts,
including whether this is worth fussing over. Concentrate on the
silly abbreviations, lack of capitalization, funny punctuation that
really foul the articles.
--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Richard Heathfield wrote:
Richard Tobin said:
>Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>>>It's not British English,
>>It is sufficient to say "English"; we don't need to label our
language with its country of origin
Alas no. By imposing our language on the world through
imperialism, we lost that right.
I didn't impose my language on anyone (except, arguably, my
children). And I didn't lose any rights whatsoever by so doing.
YMMV.
>If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves we wouldn't have the problem.
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd all be speaking German!
Maybe Celtic, Erse, or Welsh. :-) Even Latin. Mongrels forever.
--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Chris Torek <no****@torek.netwrites:
In article <87************@bsb.me.uk>,
Ben Bacarisse <be********@bsb.me.ukwrote:
>>They have always seemed very well thought out to me, but I understand
from other postings of yours that we will not agree on this.
The main exception to this is the binding of "&" and "|". Dennis
Ritchie explained their mis-placement in a Usenet posting many years
ago.
<interesting history snipped>
Thank you. Very informative. I'd often wondered why they were out of
place for their most common use.
--
Ben.
On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Richard Bos wrote:
Ian Collins <ia******@hotmail.comwrote:
>James Dow Allen wrote:
>>>
I also object to the idea that complex expressions should
be avoided. I frequently write complicated variants of
if (0
|| foo1 && foo2 && foo3
|| foo4 && foo5 && foo6
|| foo7 && foo8 && foo9)
launch();
Often this is the simplest most readable form of the logic.
(The leading "0 ||" may seem silly, but gives the expression
an easily-read, easily-edited pattern.)
I'd prefer something like:
if( whateverTheConditionIsForLaunch() )
{
launch();
}
And what would you put in the horribly sTuDlYcApPeD and far too
verbosely named whateverTheConditionIsForLaunch()? Possibly something
like this:
int whateverTheConditionIsForLaunch(void)
{
return 0
|| foo1 && foo2 && foo3
|| foo4 && foo5 && foo6
|| foo7 && foo8 && foo9;
}
Unless Ian is in the habit of using a lot of global variables,
it would more likely have to be
if (whateverTheConditionIsForLaunch(foo1, foo2, foo3, foo4, foo5,
foo6, foo7, foo8, foo9))
launch();
static int whateverTheConditionIsForLaunch(int foo1, int foo2,
int foo3, int foo4, int foo5, int foo6, int foo7,
int foo8, int foo9)
{
return 0
|| foo1 && foo2 && foo3
|| foo4 && foo5 && foo6
|| foo7 && foo8 && foo9;
}
There, see? It's more readable already!
-Arthur
Arthur J. O'Dwyer wrote:
>
On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Richard Bos wrote:
>>
And what would you put in the horribly sTuDlYcApPeD and far too
verbosely named whateverTheConditionIsForLaunch()? Possibly something
like this:
int whateverTheConditionIsForLaunch(void)
{
return 0
|| foo1 && foo2 && foo3
|| foo4 && foo5 && foo6
|| foo7 && foo8 && foo9;
}
Unless Ian is in the habit of using a lot of global variables,
it would more likely have to be
Globals, probably not. Static variables, more likely. When faced with
the choice of large functions with many local variables, or more smaller
functions and static variables, I opt for the latter.
--
Ian Collins.
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:16:26 +0000 (UTC), in comp.lang.c , Chris
McDonald <ch***@csse.uwa.edu.auwrote:
>"christian.bau" <ch***********@cbau.wanadoo.co.ukwrites:
>>could you please please please tell us why people from India write "I
have a doubt" instead of "I have a question"?
I believe its an Indian English idiom. Much like the americans have an
anoying habit of saying "I could care less" when they mean the
reverse.
>Why do you post using the name 'Christian',
One could ask you the same... :-)
--
Mark McIntyre
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan
On 8 Dec 2006 01:29:24 -0800, in comp.lang.c , "santosh"
<sa*********@gmail.comwrote:
>
Ian Collins wrote:
>santosh wrote:
I didn't realise that English had been standardised by the ISO.
Can you point us to a dictionary that lists doubt as a synonym of question?
And can you point us to a country that enforces the English vocabulary
of it's people with a dictionary?
For what its worth, the UK does. Its called "Education", they do it in
places called "Schools" and its compulsory for 11 years.
--
Mark McIntyre
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan
Mark McIntyre said:
On 8 Dec 2006 01:29:24 -0800, in comp.lang.c , "santosh"
<sa*********@gmail.comwrote:
>>
Ian Collins wrote:
>>santosh wrote:
I didn't realise that English had been standardised by the ISO.
Can you point us to a dictionary that lists doubt as a synonym of
question?
And can you point us to a country that enforces the English vocabulary
of it's people with a dictionary?
For what its worth, the UK does. Its called "Education", they do it in
places called "Schools" and its compulsory for 11 years.
No, education isn't compulsory in the UK. What *is* compulsory during those
eleven years is attendance at an educational establishment. You can lead a
horse to water...
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999 http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.
On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:31:27 +0000, in comp.lang.c , Richard
Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>Richard Tobin said:
>In article <45****************@news.xs4all.nl>,
Richard Bos <rl*@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nlwrote:
>>>Because, in English as it's taught here the word doubt is synonymous
with the word question.
>>>Then, beg pardon, what's taught there isn't English.
It's not British English,
It is sufficient to say "English"; we don't need to label our language with
its country of origin,
In some contexts I agree, but not in this one. Here we're attempting
to differentiate between British, American, Indian and other versions
of English. Just as one would have to say "Borland" or "Ganuck" to
differentiate C dialects, one needs to include the origin in this
case.
--
Mark McIntyre
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan
In article <gd********************************@4ax.com>,
Mark McIntyre <ma**********@spamcop.netwrote:
>On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:16:26 +0000 (UTC), in comp.lang.c , Chris
McDonald <ch***@csse.uwa.edu.auwrote:
>>"christian.bau" <ch***********@cbau.wanadoo.co.ukwrites:
>>>could you please please please tell us why people from India write "I
have a doubt" instead of "I have a question"?
I believe its an Indian English idiom. Much like the americans have an
anoying habit of saying "I could care less" when they mean the
reverse.
You do know the derivation of that expression, don't you?
In article <5K******************************@bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>No, education isn't compulsory in the UK. What *is* compulsory during those
eleven years is attendance at an educational establishment.
No, this is the opposite of the truth. See for example: http://www.parentscentre.gov.uk/educ...homeeducation/
In particular, "Under UK law it is education that is compulsory, not
schooling".
Parents of children *who are registered at a school* are required to
ensure they attend regularly.
-- Richard
--
"Consideration shall be given to the need for as many as 32 characters
in some alphabets" - X3.4, 1963.
Mark McIntyre said:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:31:27 +0000, in comp.lang.c , Richard
Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>>Richard Tobin said:
>>In article <45****************@news.xs4all.nl>,
Richard Bos <rl*@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nlwrote:
Because, in English as it's taught here the word doubt is synonymous
with the word question.
Then, beg pardon, what's taught there isn't English.
It's not British English,
It is sufficient to say "English"; we don't need to label our language
with its country of origin,
In some contexts I agree, but not in this one.
Well, you're allowed to disagree - after all, you can't be right all the
time. :-)
Here we're attempting
to differentiate between British, American, Indian and other versions
of English.
English - the principal language spoken in England.
Usanian - the principal language spoken in the USA.
Indian - the principal language spoken in India.
German - the principal language spoken in Germany.
Generic Foreign - all the other languages (but feel free to pluck them from
the pit as you see fit).
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999 http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.
Richard Tobin said:
In article <5K******************************@bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>>No, education isn't compulsory in the UK. What *is* compulsory during
those eleven years is attendance at an educational establishment.
No, this is the opposite of the truth.
Kind of wrong, but I know what you're saying.
See for example:
<enormous URL snipped>
>
In particular, "Under UK law it is education that is compulsory, not
schooling".
Home-schooling is still schooling. I've done it, so I know. And we regarded
our home as an educational establishment (during school hours) for the
period we were home-schooling two of our children.
They have to turn up - whether at school or wherever else education is
supposed to be happening - but nobody can force them to listen or learn.
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999 http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:05:46 +0000, in comp.lang.c , Richard
Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>Well, you're allowed to disagree - after all, you can't be right all
the time. :-)
Chortle. Luckily this is one of the times I'm right.
>English - the principal language spoken in England.
Mhm, though in Arxfurrdshoire they seem to speak some form of
Cornubian.
>Usanian - the principal language spoken in the USA.
Humorous but wrong.
>Indian - the principal language spoken in India.
Actually Hindi, though many others are also spoken, amongst them
Indian English.
>German - the principal language spoken in Germany.
Irrelevant.
What was that someone said about not being right all the time?
--
Mark McIntyre
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:11:47 +0000, in comp.lang.c , Richard
Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>
They have to turn up - whether at school or wherever else education is
supposed to be happening - but nobody can force them to listen or learn.
How true. The same is by the way true of the readers of CLC.
--
Mark McIntyre
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan
Mark McIntyre said:
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:05:46 +0000, in comp.lang.c , Richard
Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>>Well, you're allowed to disagree - after all, you can't be right all
the time. :-)
Chortle. Luckily this is one of the times I'm right.
Were it topical, I'd argue the toss with you. Since it isn't, I'll simply
note my disagreement and withdraw from this subthread.
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999 http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:
Richard Tobin said:
>In article <45****************@news.xs4all.nl>,
Richard Bos <rl*@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nlwrote:
>>>Because, in English as it's taught here the word doubt is synonymous
with the word question.
>>>Then, beg pardon, what's taught there isn't English.
It's not British English,
It is sufficient to say "English"; we don't need to label our language with
its country of origin, for the same reason that we don't need to put the
name of our country on our stamps. And Mr Bos is correct. In English, using
"doubt" in the noun form as a synonym for "question" is simply wrong.
You are quite incorrect. "English" has many forms and to correctly
understand the meaning one has to know the standard in use.
American use of the word "fanny" importing a quite different meaning
to the British English usage of course.
Ian Collins <ia******@hotmail.comwrites:
santosh wrote:
>Richard Bos wrote:
>>>"santosh" <sa*********@gmail.comwrote:
christian.bau wrote:
>could you please please please tell us why people from India write "I
>have a doubt" instead of "I have a question"?
Because, in English as it's taught here the word doubt is synonymous
with the word question.
Then, beg pardon, what's taught there isn't English.
I didn't realise that English had been standardised by the ISO.
Can you point us to a dictionary that lists doubt as a synonym of
question?
"I have no doubt" is pretty synonymous with "I have no question" to any but the more
anally retentive.
Richard said:
<snip>
"I have no doubt" is pretty synonymous with "I have no question"
No, it isn't. "I have no doubt" means "I am sure". "I have no question"
means "I do not currently seek more information". The closest to "I have no
doubt" that I can think of, that involves the word 'question', is "there is
no question", which isn't particularly synonymous with "I have no doubt",
but it comes a lot closer than "I have no question" does.
to any but the more anally retentive.
Getting your retaliation in early, I see. But your claim will carry little
weight with the clueful unless you are a philologist *and* a Freudian
psychologist - both of which seem unlikely.
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999 http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www. ri*****@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
In article <sK******************************@bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
Alas no. By imposing our language on the world through imperialism,
we lost that right.
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves we wouldn't have the problem.
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd all be speaking German!
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd never have invited them
over in 1688...
You'd all be speaking a civilised language instead if _we'd_ done what
we should have done 21 years before that!
Richard
Mark McIntyre <ma**********@spamcop.netwrote:
In some contexts I agree, but not in this one. Here we're attempting
to differentiate between British, American, Indian and other versions
of English. Just as one would have to say "Borland" or "Ganuck" to
differentiate C dialects, one needs to include the origin in this
case.
Except that C means ISO C if it isn't further specified, at least in
this newsgroup.
See? Back on topic again :-)
Richard
Richard Bos wrote:
"santosh" <sa*********@gmail.comwrote:
>christian.bau wrote:
could you please please please tell us why people from India write "I
have a doubt" instead of "I have a question"?
Because, in English as it's taught here the word doubt is synonymous
with the word question.
Then, beg pardon, what's taught there isn't English.
(fx:OT (level high))
Rubbish. Just because it isn't /your/ dialect doesn't make it
"not English": even exposure to the English in England will
give you a wide range of variations, both in accent and in
idiom.
The Indian "I have a doubt" ticks me off, too, and I've
corrected it in the past -- but my current opinion is that
it's not a battle worth fighting, /especially/ not here.
--
Chris "Perikles triumphant" Dollin
Nit-picking is best done among friends.
Richard Bos wrote:
ri*****@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
>Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
>>ri*****@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
Alas no. By imposing our language on the world through
imperialism, we lost that right.
>>>If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves we wouldn't have the problem.
>>If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd all be speaking German!
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd never have invited them
over in 1688...
You'd all be speaking a civilised language instead if _we'd_ done what
we should have done 21 years before that!
I assume you are referring to the transfer of New Amsterdam? That
is the only thing I can think of in that period, and it agrees with
your location.
--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
CBFalconer <cb********@yahoo.comwrote:
Richard Bos wrote:
ri*****@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
ri*****@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
Alas no. By imposing our language on the world through
imperialism, we lost that right.
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves we wouldn't have the problem.
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd all be speaking German!
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd never have invited them
over in 1688...
You'd all be speaking a civilised language instead if _we'd_ done what
we should have done 21 years before that!
I assume you are referring to the transfer of New Amsterdam?
No. Just before that. Although New Amsterdam would fit the pattern.
Richard
Richard Tobin wrote:
>
In article <5K******************************@bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
No, education isn't compulsory in the UK. What *is* compulsory during those
eleven years is attendance at an educational establishment.
No, this is the opposite of the truth. See for example:
http://www.parentscentre.gov.uk/educ...homeeducation/
In particular, "Under UK law it is education that is compulsory, not
schooling".
Parents of children *who are registered at a school* are required to
ensure they attend regularly.
I think what he meant by "education isn't compulsory" is that,
although you can force them to attend, you can't force them to
actually learn. (ie: "education" as in "learning", not
"teaching".)
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Kenny McCormack wrote:
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In article <gd********************************@4ax.com>,
Mark McIntyre <ma**********@spamcop.netwrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:16:26 +0000 (UTC), in comp.lang.c , Chris
McDonald <ch***@csse.uwa.edu.auwrote:
>"christian.bau" <ch***********@cbau.wanadoo.co.ukwrites:
could you please please please tell us why people from India write "I
have a doubt" instead of "I have a question"?
I believe its an Indian English idiom. Much like the americans have an
anoying habit of saying "I could care less" when they mean the
reverse.
I'm an American, and I wouldn't be caught dead saying "I _could_
care less" instead of "I _couldn't_ care less", any more than I
would say something like "cheap at half the price".
You do know the derivation of that expression, don't you?
Nope. Do you?
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Richard Tobin wrote:
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In article <A5******************************@bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:
It's not British English,
It is sufficient to say "English"; we don't need to label our language with
its country of origin
Alas no. By imposing our language on the world through imperialism,
we lost that right. If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves we wouldn't
have the problem.
Think of it as "C". While there is but one "official" standard (okay,
one source of the standard, of which there have been several revisions)
of the language, but there are numerous implementations, each of which
includes its own enhancements. Therefore, while there is but one "C90"
standard, there are Borland C, MSVC, gcc, and so on.
In a similar way, there are "British English" (from which all other
versions derive, though they may derive from older versions of it,
which in turn was derived from other languages), "American English",
"Indian English", and so on.
Gee, have I managed to return this thread to on-topic? :-)
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Richard Heathfield wrote:
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Richard Tobin said:
[...]
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves we wouldn't have the problem.
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd all be speaking German!
Perhaps you would, but I would be speaking some horrible conglomeration
of Hebrew, Polish, Austrian, Lithuanian, and probably a few others.
(Though I suspect this really depends on how far back you want to go.
Perhaps just Latin or Aramaic?)
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:12:20 -0500, in comp.lang.c , Kenneth Brody
<ke******@spamcop.netwrote:
>Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
Richard Tobin said:
[...]
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves we wouldn't have the problem.
If we'd kept ourselves to ourselves, we'd all be speaking German!
Perhaps you would, but I would be speaking some horrible conglomeration
And I'd be speaking Celtic of some sort, or possibly Icelandic,
depending on the precise proclivities of my female ancestors....
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Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
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Chris Dollin <ch**********@hp.comwrote:
Richard Bos wrote:
"santosh" <sa*********@gmail.comwrote:
christian.bau wrote:
could you please please please tell us why people from India write "I
have a doubt" instead of "I have a question"?
Because, in English as it's taught here the word doubt is synonymous
with the word question.
Then, beg pardon, what's taught there isn't English.
(fx:OT (level high))
Rubbish. Just because it isn't /your/ dialect
_My_ dialect? Whatever gives you the idea that there even is such a
thing as my dialect of English?
Richard
Richard Bos wrote:
Chris Dollin <ch**********@hp.comwrote:
>Richard Bos wrote:
"santosh" <sa*********@gmail.comwrote:
christian.bau wrote:
could you please please please tell us why people from India write "I
have a doubt" instead of "I have a question"?
Because, in English as it's taught here the word doubt is synonymous
with the word question.
Then, beg pardon, what's taught there isn't English.
(fx:OT (level high))
Rubbish. Just because it isn't /your/ dialect
_My_ dialect? Whatever gives you the idea that there even is such a
thing as my dialect of English?
I can read what you've written.
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"Life is full of mysteries. Consider this one of them." Sinclair, /Babylon 5/
In article <45****************@news.xs4all.nl>,
Richard Bos <rl*@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nlwrote:
>_My_ dialect? Whatever gives you the idea that there even is such a
thing as my dialect of English?
In the limit, dialect reduces to idiolect.
-- Richard
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On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:36:37 +0000, in comp.lang.c , Chris Dollin
<ch**********@hp.comwrote:
>Richard Bos wrote:
>Chris Dollin <ch**********@hp.comwrote:
>>>
Rubbish. Just because it isn't /your/ dialect
_My_ dialect? Whatever gives you the idea that there even is such a
thing as my dialect of English?
I can read what you've written.
/is/ there a Dutch dialect of English?
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by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
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Richard Bos <rl*@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nlschrieb:
That's no excuse. SMS is ridiculously popular here, as well, and
SMS-sp3k is used here, too, including in IM and email from school
children, but you rarely see anyone use it after they grow up, and
certainly not in a serious context.
U^HYou certainly won't believe it, but in Denmark it is considered
to let 'sms'-speak pass without penalty in school-essays. I could
dig up a (german) link, if requested.
Markus
pete <pf*****@mindspring.comschrieb:
In the USA, you can get in trouble with the law
.... if you drink alcohol in public out of something other than
a brown paper bag.
if they find a silencer in your car.
Now, after looking it up in my (british english) dictionary, and
knowing what a silencer is supposed to be in the UK, could you
please enlighten me, what it is in the US of A - uh - I'm beginning
to guess it might have something to do with their - erm - suboptimal
gun laws. Right?
In England, you can get in trouble for running your car without one.
Having said that, I'd bet a significant amount of money that you
a) get sued for running a car without a (UK-) silencer in the US of A
and
b) the other silencers are illegal in the UK, too. Regardless if they
are kept/transported in a car or in a pocket of your coat.
Markus
Markus Becker <ye*******@web.dewrote:
Richard Bos <rl*@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nlschrieb:
That's no excuse. SMS is ridiculously popular here, as well, and
SMS-sp3k is used here, too, including in IM and email from school
children, but you rarely see anyone use it after they grow up, and
certainly not in a serious context.
U^HYou certainly won't believe it, but in Denmark it is considered
to let 'sms'-speak pass without penalty in school-essays. I could
dig up a (german) link, if requested.
Oh, I'll believe it all right. And I won't believe it. I'll believe
someone with only the most tenuous of relations to education and
children (cabinet minister of education, probably; they never know WTF
they're on about) put out a press report about it. I won't believe at
all that anyone with a grasp on practical matters will seriously
entertain it for a second.
Richard
Mark McIntyre <ma**********@spamcop.netwrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:36:37 +0000, in comp.lang.c , Chris Dollin
<ch**********@hp.comwrote:
Richard Bos wrote:
Chris Dollin <ch**********@hp.comwrote:
Rubbish. Just because it isn't /your/ dialect
_My_ dialect? Whatever gives you the idea that there even is such a
thing as my dialect of English?
I can read what you've written.
/is/ there a Dutch dialect of English?
No, but if we'd done our duty by the rest of the world, as hinted at
upthread, there'd now be an English dialect of Dutch.
Richard
Richard Bos said:
Mark McIntyre <ma**********@spamcop.netwrote:
<snip>
>>
/is/ there a Dutch dialect of English?
No, but if we'd done our duty by the rest of the world, as hinted at
upthread, there'd now be an English dialect of Dutch.
There is. It's called Dutch Dutch.
[Counting... 1... 2... 3...... ]
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Markus Becker wrote:
pete <pf*****@mindspring.comschrieb:
In the USA, you can get in trouble with the law
.... if you drink alcohol in public out of something other than
a brown paper bag.
if they find a silencer in your car.
Now, after looking it up in my (british english) dictionary, and
knowing what a silencer is supposed to be in the UK, could you
please enlighten me, what it is in the US of A - uh - I'm beginning
to guess it might have something to do with their - erm - suboptimal
gun laws. Right?
A silencer is a device attached to the barrel of a gun that is meant to
muffle the sound of a gunshot. I'd imagine that, in most situations,
having a silencer in you car would at least suggest that they may be up
to no good.
In England, you can get in trouble for running your car without one.
Having said that, I'd bet a significant amount of money that you
a) get sued for running a car without a (UK-) silencer in the US of A
(sued is probably the wrong term, 'cited' is probably better)
and
b) the other silencers are illegal in the UK, too. Regardless if they
are kept/transported in a car or in a pocket of your coat.
Both are true. I don't think the intent was to show differences in law,
but rather the difference in terminology; thereby showing that there are
indeed different dialects of English.
UK US
silencer - muffler
?? - silencer
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