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Hi,

With keyword struct, we can simply do forward declare by:

struct struct_a;

but if we typedef it:

typdef struct struct_a struct_a_t;

When we need to use struct_a_t but the cross include occurs, how to
tell compiler that struct_a_t is a type? seems like:

type struct_a_t;

Thanks.
ABAI
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Hi Binary(nice one ;) ),

Usually u wud declare the typedef part in a header
file,and include that header file in all the filese.When each file is
compiled,the header info gets included at preprocessing stage and hence
ur typedefnition.Thats how the complier would get to know about the
typedef as datatype.

cheers,
Kaushal.

Binary wrote:
Hi,

With keyword struct, we can simply do forward declare by:

struct struct_a;

but if we typedef it:

typdef struct struct_a struct_a_t;

When we need to use struct_a_t but the cross include occurs, how to
tell compiler that struct_a_t is a type? seems like:

type struct_a_t;

Thanks.
ABAI
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Dec 15 '06 #2

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krishna wrote:
Hi Binary(nice one ;) ),

Usually u wud
This is where I usually stop reading.
I can live with the occasional speling eror, I can live with the obvious
language Defizit, but kiddie talk in a technical newsgroup is unbearable.
I hope you never need to ask a question I could answer.
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Dec 30 '06 #3

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krishna wrote:
Hi Binary(nice one ;) ),

Usually u wud declare the typedef part in a header
file,and include that header file in all the filese.When each file is
compiled,the header info gets included at preprocessing stage and hence
ur typedefnition.Thats how the complier would get to know about the
typedef as datatype.

cheers,
Kaushal.

Binary wrote:
>Hi,

With keyword struct, we can simply do forward declare by:

struct struct_a;

but if we typedef it:

typdef struct struct_a struct_a_t;

When we need to use struct_a_t but the cross include occurs, how to
tell compiler that struct_a_t is a type? seems like:

type struct_a_t;

Thanks.
ABAI
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Could I ask you to PLEASE refrain from text messaging on usenet? - its
infuriating to try and read.
Thanks,
Eric
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Dec 30 '06 #4

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In message <cl****************@plethora.net>, Eric <No***@invalid.com>
writes
>Could I ask you to PLEASE refrain from text messaging on usenet? - its
infuriating to try and read.

And in particular it fails to appreciate the difficulties that the many
people who are not native English speakers have with it. Many of those
people are already struggling with reading and writing in a language
that is very different from their mother tongue and we should avoid
doing anything that makes it harder for them.
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Dec 30 '06 #5

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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:26:56 +0000,
Francis Glassborow <fr*****@robinton.demon.co.ukwrote:
>In message <cl****************@plethora.net>, Eric <No***@invalid.com>
writes
>Could I ask you to PLEASE refrain from text messaging on usenet? -
its infuriating to try and read.

And in particular it fails to appreciate the difficulties that the
many people who are not native English speakers have with it. Many of
those people are already struggling with reading and writing in a
language that is very different from their mother tongue and we should
avoid doing anything that makes it harder for them.
Precisely!

You have my thanks, because I am one of the non-native English speakers
and writers who like lurking (and occasionally posting too) in clc :)

Jan 1 '07 #6

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Josef Moellers wrote:
krishna wrote:
>Hi Binary(nice one ;) ),

Usually u wud

This is where I usually stop reading.
I can live with the occasional speling eror, I can live with
the obvious language Defizit, but kiddie talk in a technical
newsgroup is unbearable. I hope you never need to ask a
question I could answer.
Many stop even earlier, when they see the rude top-posting.

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Joyeux Noel, Bonne Annee.
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<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
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Jan 4 '07 #7

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Hi,
Eric,Francis Glassborow,Giorgos Keramidas thank you for your
constructive criticism and pointing them out in lucid and soft
manner.Ill take care not to produce such difficulties for non english
speakers again.
Josef Moellers and CBFalconer ,thank you for not reading my post.I
found your criticisms 'quite' rude.One would appreciate if you both
would have adopted the manner the above members have guided.
With all due respects, and the spirit of C,
-Kaushal.

CBFalconer wrote:
Josef Moellers wrote:
krishna wrote:
Hi Binary(nice one ;) ),

Usually u wud
This is where I usually stop reading.
I can live with the occasional speling eror, I can live with
the obvious language Defizit, but kiddie talk in a technical
newsgroup is unbearable. I hope you never need to ask a
question I could answer.

Many stop even earlier, when they see the rude top-posting.

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Joyeux Noel, Bonne Annee.
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
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Jan 10 '07 #8

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krishna wrote:
>
Eric,Francis Glassborow,Giorgos Keramidas thank you for your
constructive criticism and pointing them out in lucid and soft
manner.Ill take care not to produce such difficulties for non
english speakers again.
Josef Moellers and CBFalconer ,thank you for not reading my
post.I found your criticisms 'quite' rude.One would appreciate if
you both would have adopted the manner the above members have
guided. With all due respects, and the spirit of C,
Well, you appear to be uneducable, since you persist in rude
top-posting. Whether that is innate stupidity or bad manners is
not yet known. You are also persisting in excessive cross-posting,
which is another indication of foolishness. Follow-ups set.

--
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Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
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Jan 20 '07 #9

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CBFalconer wrote:
krishna wrote:
> Eric,Francis Glassborow,Giorgos Keramidas thank you for your
constructive criticism and pointing them out in lucid and soft
manner.Ill take care not to produce such difficulties for non
english speakers again.
Josef Moellers and CBFalconer ,thank you for not reading my
post.I found your criticisms 'quite' rude.One would appreciate if
you both would have adopted the manner the above members have
guided. With all due respects, and the spirit of C,

Well, you appear to be uneducable, since you persist in rude
top-posting. Whether that is innate stupidity or bad manners is
not yet known. You are also persisting in excessive cross-posting,
which is another indication of foolishness. Follow-ups set.
Calling a man fool because he cross-posts is not exactly good
manners for sure. And calling a man fool because of top-posting
is way more foolish than top-posting itself. Do you know that
many people top-post in real email communication, just because
they do so and it's perfectly acceptable in their communities?
Some people even find it hard to read proper quote-and-reply
stuff.

Yes, top-posting is bad here. No, calling people fools for top-posting
is no freaking good, even if silently acceptable. Some may say you're
keeping this newsgroup clean, whatever, some people say shooting people
is a good way to teach them good manners too.

Yevgen
Jan 21 '07 #10

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Yevgen Muntyan wrote:
CBFalconer wrote:
>krishna wrote:
>> Eric,Francis Glassborow,Giorgos Keramidas thank you for your
constructive criticism and pointing them out in lucid and soft
manner.Ill take care not to produce such difficulties for non
english speakers again.
Josef Moellers and CBFalconer ,thank you for not reading my
post.I found your criticisms 'quite' rude.One would appreciate if
you both would have adopted the manner the above members have
guided. With all due respects, and the spirit of C,

Well, you appear to be uneducable, since you persist in rude
top-posting. Whether that is innate stupidity or bad manners is
not yet known. You are also persisting in excessive cross-posting,
which is another indication of foolishness. Follow-ups set.

Calling a man fool because he cross-posts is not exactly good
manners for sure.
Reading "excessive cross-posting" as "cross-posting" is foolish.
If you read the word "excessive" and then dropped it in your reply, then
you are dishonest rather than foolish.
Reading "uneducable"[1] as "a fool" is foolish. If you purposely
changed this in your reply, then your are dishonest.
Reading "indication of foolishness" as "a fool" is foolish. You will
probably inflict the same treatment on my use of "foolish". If you do
so, then you _are_ a fool.

[1] "Uneducable" is clear and derived on usual patterns of English
word-formation, but I prefer the more standard "ineducable."
And calling a man fool because of top-posting
is way more foolish than top-posting itself.
The point as that "krishna" persists in top-posting after being told
that that is not the norm for posting in this newsgroup. It is not
top-posting that shows that "krishna" is ineducable: it is his refusal
to be educated.
Do you know that
many people top-post in real email communication,
Newsgroups are not e-mail communication. The form of discussion is
completely different. To ignore the difference in context is foolish.
just because
they do so and it's perfectly acceptable in their communities?
Some people even find it hard to read proper quote-and-reply
stuff.
Then they are in serious need of remedial education.

Jan 21 '07 #11

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Yevgen Muntyan wrote:
>
Do you know that
many people top-post in real email communication, just because
they do so and it's perfectly acceptable in their communities?
Some people even find it hard to read proper quote-and-reply
stuff.
That's because they have been afflicted with outlook and don't know any
better.

--
Ian Collins.
Jan 21 '07 #12

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Martin Ambuhl wrote:
Yevgen Muntyan wrote:
>CBFalconer wrote:
>>krishna wrote:
Eric,Francis Glassborow,Giorgos Keramidas thank you for your
constructive criticism and pointing them out in lucid and soft
manner.Ill take care not to produce such difficulties for non
english speakers again.
Josef Moellers and CBFalconer ,thank you for not reading my
post.I found your criticisms 'quite' rude.One would appreciate if
you both would have adopted the manner the above members have
guided. With all due respects, and the spirit of C,

Well, you appear to be uneducable, since you persist in rude
top-posting. Whether that is innate stupidity or bad manners is
not yet known. You are also persisting in excessive cross-posting,
which is another indication of foolishness. Follow-ups set.

Calling a man fool because he cross-posts is not exactly good
manners for sure.

Reading "excessive cross-posting" as "cross-posting" is foolish.
If you read the word "excessive" and then dropped it in your reply, then
you are dishonest rather than foolish.
Reading "uneducable"[1] as "a fool" is foolish. If you purposely
changed this in your reply, then your are dishonest.
Reading "indication of foolishness" as "a fool" is foolish. You will
probably inflict the same treatment on my use of "foolish". If you do
so, then you _are_ a fool.
Okay, I am a fool then.

Now, CBFalconer used funny "another indication of foolishness", which
implied to me that the first thing ("rude top-posting") was an
indication of foolishness too. Then, I did drop "excessive", only
for clarity. I can reformulate it:

Calling a man fool for "excessive cross-posting" is fucking bad manners.
Thank you.
Note, "excessive cross-posting" doesn't make sense. Or it makes as much
sense as "excessive using of a pencil".

Perhaps I didn't understand subtle difference between "foolish" and
"fool", and saying that something indicates foolishness of a person
is not quite the same as calling him foolish which is not quite the
same as calling him fool. Okay, thanks a lot for a lecture.

[snip]
>Do you know that
many people top-post in real email communication,

Newsgroups are not e-mail communication. The form of discussion is
completely different. To ignore the difference in context is foolish.
Ignorance is foolish?
>
>just because
they do so and it's perfectly acceptable in their communities?
Some people even find it hard to read proper quote-and-reply
stuff.

Then they are in serious need of remedial education.
Nah, they need to be told about their foolishness and "rude behavior".
Yeah, they are extremely rude, they top-post (don't tell anyone).
Jan 21 '07 #13

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Ian Collins wrote:
Yevgen Muntyan wrote:
>Do you know that
many people top-post in real email communication, just because
they do so and it's perfectly acceptable in their communities?
Some people even find it hard to read proper quote-and-reply
stuff.
That's because they have been afflicted with outlook and don't know any
better.
Perhaps. You volunteer to teach them?
Anyway, I am not advocating top-posting, I am saying that CBFalconer
posts are no good. Compare these two:

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Please don't top-post. Your replies belong following or interspersed
with properly trimmed quotes. See the majority of other posts in the
newsgroup, or:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
--------------------------------------------------------------------

and

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, you appear to be uneducable, since you persist in rude
top-posting. Whether that is innate stupidity or bad manners is
not yet known. You are also persisting in excessive cross-posting,
which is another indication of foolishness. Follow-ups set.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Both pollute the newsgroup in the same way, but the former doesn't
make you feel "maybe he overreacts a bit but he has nice intentions
and he's knows C and contributes blah blah blah it's all acceptable".
Well, "you" didn't mean you probably. Not sure how to say that in
English properly. Whatever.
Jan 21 '07 #14

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Yevgen Muntyan wrote:
>
.... snip ...
>
Perhaps. You volunteer to teach them?
Anyway, I am not advocating top-posting, I am saying that CBFalconer
posts are no good. Compare these two:

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Please don't top-post. Your replies belong following or interspersed
with properly trimmed quotes. See the majority of other posts in the
newsgroup, or:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
--------------------------------------------------------------------

and

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, you appear to be uneducable, since you persist in rude
top-posting. Whether that is innate stupidity or bad manners is
not yet known. You are also persisting in excessive cross-posting,
which is another indication of foolishness. Follow-ups set.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Bear in mind that the second was the result of the OP ignoring the
first. I can allow for ignorance, language difficulties, etc., but
deliberately ignoring correction is another matter. Time for the
club :-)

--
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"A man who is right every time is not likely to do very much."
-- Francis Crick, co-discover of DNA
"There is nothing more amazing than stupidity in action."
-- Thomas Matthews
Jan 22 '07 #15

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CBFalconer wrote:
Yevgen Muntyan wrote:
... snip ...
>Perhaps. You volunteer to teach them?
Anyway, I am not advocating top-posting, I am saying that CBFalconer
posts are no good. Compare these two:

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Please don't top-post. Your replies belong following or interspersed
with properly trimmed quotes. See the majority of other posts in the
newsgroup, or:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
--------------------------------------------------------------------

and

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, you appear to be uneducable, since you persist in rude
top-posting. Whether that is innate stupidity or bad manners is
not yet known. You are also persisting in excessive cross-posting,
which is another indication of foolishness. Follow-ups set.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Bear in mind that the second was the result of the OP ignoring the
first. I can allow for ignorance, language difficulties, etc., but
deliberately ignoring correction is another matter. Time for the
club :-)
"Correction"? So you are said that to him because he ignored the
following:

"Many stop even earlier, when they see the rude top-posting."

Right? That was a "correction"? If I posted a question
about C, and I had no idea about top-posting business, my
personal reaction to your reply would be "Idiot" or, if I were
in good mood, "Huh?".

And even if he ignored nice polite letter begging him
not to top-post, he wouldn't deserve that. You know, he's free
to ignore what you're saying, you are not his boss or his
father. Don't try to explore this topic though, he didn't ignore
anything which would clearly state his mistakes or something,
he ignored garbage post about "rude top-posting".

Yevgen
Jan 22 '07 #16

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On Jan 22, 4:09 am, CBFalconer <cbfalco...@yahoo.comwrote:
Yevgen Muntyan wrote:

... snip ...
Perhaps. You volunteer to teach them?
Anyway, I am not advocating top-posting, I am saying that CBFalconer
posts are no good. Compare these two:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Please don't top-post. Your replies belong following or interspersed
with properly trimmed quotes. See the majority of other posts in the
newsgroup, or:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
and
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, you appear to be uneducable, since you persist in rude
top-posting. Whether that is innate stupidity or bad manners is
not yet known. You are also persisting in excessive cross-posting,
which is another indication of foolishness. Follow-ups set.
--------------------------------------------------------------------Bear in mind that the second was the result of the OP ignoring the
first. I can allow for ignorance, language difficulties, etc., but
deliberately ignoring correction is another matter. Time for the
club :-)

--
<http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt>

"A man who is right every time is not likely to do very much."
-- Francis Crick, co-discover of DNA
"There is nothing more amazing than stupidity in action."
-- Thomas Matthews


Hi ,
I understand top posting is not acceptable in some communities.Its
perfect in my community..Im coming your way ;) .Tell me one thing
CBFalconer,is your intention to 'teach' me something,'spread knowledge'
or show superiority of your etiquette??If it is the third one I give a
damn to your posts.Cause everyone here is very clearly here with the
intention of 'learning something new' and not show
superiority.Knowledge is for free.If not you someone else would teach
me with a gentle smile and much polite words,perhaps you might have not
heard of :).Your posting which use the very polite words
:fool,foolish,innate stupidity ;) express your superior skills is it
;)?This very clearly explains you simple want to show your superiority
or may be some kind of discrimination??Dont know why you are so
persistant about this?

Well let me tell you one thing very very clearly Iam here to learn
something new and spread it to my friends who are of my kind.As long as
the post is friendly and correct neither the author nor myself care
about these things.Iam sure he read the reply and simply continued with
his work neglecting your comments because my post serverd his
purpose.If someone is not able to read the short messages its defnitely
a challenge for them.I was never told by someone what AFAIK means or
what RTFM means..I had gone through dictionary.com...used google cause
I 'wanted' to understand the post and not simply read it for fun or
showing up my superiority over someone who posts it.Iam telling you for
the last time please do not misinterpret kindness as weakness.Iam here
to learn and I am least bothered if you are 'opposite of fool' or not
:) .Thought of ignoring this but could not stop when you used such
words and still insist on following your way :). I donot intend to
pollute the very spirit of this group.If you have any issues with my
posts don't hesitate to mail me.We can take that up in leisure without
interrupting this groups' activities :).Looking forward for your mail.
Happy learining.
-kaushal.

Jan 26 '07 #17

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krishna said:

<40 lines of junk snipped - please learn to trim unnecessary context>
>
Hi ,
I understand top posting is not acceptable in some communities.
Including this one.
Its perfect in my community.
But not in this one. If we join your community, we'll fit in with its
stylistic norms (but if that includes top-posting, don't expect many of us
to want to join).
Im coming your way ;)
Then you'll appreciate that, just as it would be proper for us to adapt to
your norms if we joined your community, so it is proper to adapt to the
norms of /this/ community if you choose to join it. If you wish to learn
from the knowledgeable people in this group, you might find it more
productive not to waste their time by using stylistic techniques that
hinder efficient reading.

<snip>

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.
Jan 26 '07 #18

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krishna wrote:
On Jan 22, 4:09 am, CBFalconer <cbfalco...@yahoo.comwrote:
Yevgen Muntyan wrote:

... snip ...
Perhaps. You volunteer to teach them?
Anyway, I am not advocating top-posting, I am saying that CBFalconer
posts are no good. Compare these two:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Please don't top-post. Your replies belong following or interspersed
with properly trimmed quotes. See the majority of other posts in the
newsgroup, or:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
and
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, you appear to be uneducable, since you persist in rude
top-posting. Whether that is innate stupidity or bad manners is
not yet known. You are also persisting in excessive cross-posting,
which is another indication of foolishness. Follow-ups set.
--------------------------------------------------------------------Bear in mind that the second was the result of the OP ignoring the
first. I can allow for ignorance, language difficulties, etc., but
deliberately ignoring correction is another matter. Time for the
club :-)
<snip>
>
Hi ,
I understand top posting is not acceptable in some communities.Its
perfect in my community..Im coming your way ;) .
That's fine, but it's not fine in this group, and if you want to
participate with maximum benifit and minimum fuss, then it's wise to
respect local conventions.
Tell me one thing
CBFalconer,is your intention to 'teach' me something,'spread knowledge'
or show superiority of your etiquette??
As far as I can tell, he's just attempting to help newcomers to Usenet
or this group.
If it is the third one I give a damn to your posts.
Your choice, but don't be upset when many regulars start to ignore you.
Cause everyone here is very clearly here with the
intention of 'learning something new' and not show
superiority.
What's superior in a bunch of helpful links?
Knowledge is for free.
No.

It's built on the hard work of countless generations, since the dawn of
human beings.
If not you someone else would teach
me with a gentle smile and much polite words,perhaps you might have not
heard of :).Your posting which use the very polite words
:fool,foolish,innate stupidity ;) express your superior skills is it
;)?This very clearly explains you simple want to show your superiority
or may be some kind of discrimination??Dont know why you are so
persistant about this?
People can get frustrated when repeated attempts to inform and help are
ignored. I agree, that insulting words needn't be used, but that's
human nature.
Well let me tell you one thing very very clearly Iam here to learn
something new and spread it to my friends who are of my kind.
Your kind? Is your kind different from other people around the world?
Do you feel superior about your kind? What, then, excuses you from
being guilty of the very behaviour you accuse others of?
As long as
the post is friendly and correct neither the author nor myself care
about these things.
Sure, but many other posters might care that your reply was top-posted.
He was just attempting to inform you of the generally accepted form of
posting, atleast in this group. You're of course free to "insist" on
top-posting, but expect far fewer positive responses.
Iam sure he read the reply and simply continued with
his work neglecting your comments because my post serverd his
purpose.
Chuck's post would also serve a useful purpose, if people took the
small amount of time needed to visit some of the links and inform
themselves about good etiquette.
If someone is not able to read the short messages its defnitely
a challenge for them.
Fair enough, but top-posting's damage is directly proportional to the
length of the quoted post and it's accompanying reply. If one doesn't
correct oneself, top-posting could become an incurable habit, rendering
your posts, especially long, involved ones, less readable, and hence
less useful, than they could've been.
I was never told by someone what AFAIK means or
what RTFM means..I had gone through dictionary.com...used google cause
I 'wanted' to understand the post and not simply read it for fun or
showing up my superiority over someone who posts it.
No one is told what these acronyms mean. Their meaning are generally
picked up over time. Anyway what has that got to do with your point?
Iam telling you for
the last time please do not misinterpret kindness as weakness.Iam here
to learn and I am least bothered if you are 'opposite of fool' or not
:) .Thought of ignoring this but could not stop when you used such
words and still insist on following your way :). I donot intend to
pollute the very spirit of this group.If you have any issues with my
posts don't hesitate to mail me.We can take that up in leisure without
interrupting this groups' activities :).Looking forward for your mail.
IMHO, you're making a big fuss over a trivial incident.

Jan 26 '07 #19

P: n/a
santosh wrote:
krishna wrote:
>On Jan 22, 4:09 am, CBFalconer <cbfalco...@yahoo.comwrote:
>>Yevgen Muntyan wrote:

... snip ...

Perhaps. You volunteer to teach them?
Anyway, I am not advocating top-posting, I am saying that CBFalconer
posts are no good. Compare these two:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Please don't top-post. Your replies belong following or interspersed
with properly trimmed quotes. See the majority of other posts in the
newsgroup, or:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
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and
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, you appear to be uneducable, since you persist in rude
top-posting. Whether that is innate stupidity or bad manners is
not yet known. You are also persisting in excessive cross-posting,
which is another indication of foolishness. Follow-ups set.
--------------------------------------------------------------------Bear in mind that the second was the result of the OP ignoring the
first. I can allow for ignorance, language difficulties, etc., but
deliberately ignoring correction is another matter. Time for the
club :-)
<snip>
>Hi ,
I understand top posting is not acceptable in some communities.Its
perfect in my community..Im coming your way ;) .

That's fine, but it's not fine in this group, and if you want to
participate with maximum benifit and minimum fuss, then it's wise to
respect local conventions.
krishna seems to be trying, and he seems to be saying exactly what
you're saying. Do you actually read what you quote?
>Tell me one thing
CBFalconer,is your intention to 'teach' me something,'spread knowledge'
or show superiority of your etiquette??

As far as I can tell, he's just attempting to help newcomers to Usenet
or this group.
So, defending nonsense and insults? What exactly was helpful in the
two CBFalconer's posts in this thread (hint: they are quoted above).
>If it is the third one I give a damn to your posts.

Your choice, but don't be upset when many regulars start to ignore you.
>Cause everyone here is very clearly here with the
intention of 'learning something new' and not show
superiority.

What's superior in a bunch of helpful links?
Could you try to find those links in CBFalconer replies? Not
in threads elsewhere, but in the C's replies in this thread, the
ones you're defending here.
>Knowledge is for free.

No.

It's built on the hard work of countless generations, since the dawn of
human beings.
>If not you someone else would teach
me with a gentle smile and much polite words,perhaps you might have not
heard of :).Your posting which use the very polite words
:fool,foolish,innate stupidity ;) express your superior skills is it
;)?This very clearly explains you simple want to show your superiority
or may be some kind of discrimination??Dont know why you are so
persistant about this?

People can get frustrated when repeated attempts to inform and help are
ignored. I agree, that insulting words needn't be used, but that's
human nature.
Yeah, humans get upset when others can't guess that there is willing
to help behind insults.

[snip]
>Iam sure he read the reply and simply continued with
his work neglecting your comments because my post serverd his
purpose.

Chuck's post would also serve a useful purpose, if people took the
small amount of time needed to visit some of the links and inform
themselves about good etiquette.
I even did visit a link there, couple of times, got some nice useful
advertisements. Anyway, those links were not in the posts you're
defending here.

[snip]
>Iam telling you for
the last time please do not misinterpret kindness as weakness.Iam here
to learn and I am least bothered if you are 'opposite of fool' or not
:) .Thought of ignoring this but could not stop when you used such
words and still insist on following your way :). I donot intend to
pollute the very spirit of this group.If you have any issues with my
posts don't hesitate to mail me.We can take that up in leisure without
interrupting this groups' activities :).Looking forward for your mail.

IMHO, you're making a big fuss over a trivial incident.
He's not actually. Do read the thread to see who makes what.
Or do you mean that krishna should have just said "Fuck you Chuck"
so there's no point in trying to make up why Chuck's posts were good?
krishna actually kept polite, and replied twice, to two junk
posts Chuck.

I do make big fuss here, I admit. I just hate this conversation:

C: You idiot.
K: Sorry, I am not.
O: C didn't mean anything bad, he just tried to help.
O2: C is good, he helps.
O3: blah blah blah
O4: Exactly, blah blah blah, C is good.
Jan 27 '07 #20

P: n/a
Yevgen Muntyan wrote:
santosh wrote:
krishna wrote:
<snip>
Cause everyone here is very clearly here with the
intention of 'learning something new' and not show
superiority.
What's superior in a bunch of helpful links?

Could you try to find those links in CBFalconer replies? Not
in threads elsewhere, but in the C's replies in this thread, the
ones you're defending here.
You're right. Normally he includes his standard "newbie introduction"
sig, but not in this thread.

<snip>
[snip]
Iam sure he read the reply and simply continued with
his work neglecting your comments because my post serverd his
purpose.
Chuck's post would also serve a useful purpose, if people took the
small amount of time needed to visit some of the links and inform
themselves about good etiquette.

I even did visit a link there, couple of times, got some nice useful
advertisements. Anyway, those links were not in the posts you're
defending here.
IIRC, except one, the other links are quite good and lead to lean
sites.

<snip>

I can your, (and krisha's), perspective too.

This thread is a reason why people considering on posting here are
encouraged to lurk for a few weeks and read the FAQ. Both are of
immense help in adopting local etiquette and finding answers to most
of the common newbie questions.

In my case, I lurked here for about six months before my first active
participation. That was, in part, the reason why I, (probably), didn't
make the usual newbie mistakes of failing to quote, snipping
attributions or top-posting; (the other reason being that I never got
into the top-posting habit, which I rather strongly dislike).

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