PLEASE HELP

[postrishi]

Hello Folks,

I am doing my engineering in computer science.

I basically want to work in systems rather than in application.

But the main problem with me that i dont have adequate guidance and
till now i only have very preliminary knowlede of c/c++.

I can write any program related to application but i dont have any idea
about what is system programming all about and how should i proceed
about it.

Please help me as i am very desperate about it.

[Richard Heathfield]

po*******@gmail.com said:

Hello Folks,

I am doing my engineering in computer science.

I basically want to work in systems rather than in application.

But the main problem with me that i dont have adequate guidance and
till now i only have very preliminary knowlede of c/c++.

I can write any program related to application but i dont have any idea
about what is system programming all about and how should i proceed
about it.

The distinction is an artificial one. Programming is programming. If you can
truly write any program related to "applications", then just think of the
operating system as an application.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.

[santosh]

po*******@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Folks,

I am doing my engineering in computer science.

I basically want to work in systems rather than in application.

But the main problem with me that i dont have adequate guidance and
till now i only have very preliminary knowlede of c/c++.

So read and practise more. Get a copy of The C Programming Language
(2nd Ed.) by Kernighan & Ritchie and go through it.

I can write any program related to application but i dont have any idea
about what is system programming all about and how should i proceed
about it.

Please help me as i am very desperate about it.

Ask a local counselor or CS instructor for advice.

If your strong on logic and mathematics, the details are easy to pick
up with time.

[raxitsheth2000]

Learn Assembly Language/C (for OO learn oo oncepts and any oo lang.)
Master Data Structure and Algo.
Computer Arch and OS
study atleast x86 based any simple architecture.
after concept clear in above

learn how to debug.
refer good news group.(as they are more than text books)
refer good opensource System Programs
Design/Write your own code
--raxit

po*******@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Folks,

I am doing my engineering in computer science.

I basically want to work in systems rather than in application.

But the main problem with me that i dont have adequate guidance and
till now i only have very preliminary knowlede of c/c++.

I can write any program related to application but i dont have any idea
about what is system programming all about and how should i proceed
about it.

Please help me as i am very desperate about it.

[santosh]

ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:
<snip>
Please don't top post. See below:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
<clc-wiki.net/>

[raxitsheth2000]

dont give free advice without thinking.
dont try to be oversmart.

--raxit

santosh wrote:

ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:
<snip>
Please don't top post. See below:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
<clc-wiki.net/>

[Bob Martin]

in 708891 20061205 104454 ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:

>dont give free advice without thinking.
dont try to be oversmart.

--raxit

santosh wrote:

>ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:
<snip>
Please don't top post. See below:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
<clc-wiki.net/>

I'm sick of this top-posting / bottom-posting fascism.
Let people do what they want, I can handle it.

[Chris Dollin]

ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:

dont give free advice without thinking.

Please don't top-post.

dont try to be oversmart.

`try` is off-topic on comp.lang.c.

--
Chris "not free and not unthought" Dollin
"No-one here is exactly what he appears." G'kar, /Babylon 5/

[CBFalconer]

ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:

>
dont give free advice without thinking.
dont try to be oversmart.

Please do not top-post. Read the following links:

--
Some informative links:
<news:news.announce.newusers
<http://www.geocities.com/nnqweb/>
<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
<http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <u4*************@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
Bob Martin <bo********@excite.comwrote:

>in 708891 20061205 104454 ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:

>>dont give free advice without thinking.
dont try to be oversmart.

--raxit

santosh wrote:

>>ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:
<snip>
Please don't top post. See below:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
<clc-wiki.net/>

I'm sick of this top-posting / bottom-posting fascism.
Let people do what they want, I can handle it.

It is just a small part of the general fascism that is this newsgroup.
I'd get used to it, if I were you (and planned to stick around).

[Default User]

ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:

dont give free advice without thinking.
dont try to be oversmart.

*plonk*

Brian

[Default User]

Bob Martin wrote:

I'm sick of this top-posting / bottom-posting fascism.
Let people do what they want, I can handle it.

No.


Brian

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <4t*************@mid.individual.net>,
Default User <de***********@yahoo.comwrote:

>Bob Martin wrote:

>I'm sick of this top-posting / bottom-posting fascism.
Let people do what they want, I can handle it.

No.

Keep in mind that this "DefaultUser/Brian" creature is a bona fide
anti-top-posting fanatic. You'll get no quarter from him.

He got into quite a chick fight a month or so ago with some of the
esteemed regulars over this.

[Bob Martin]

in 708916 20061205 134742 ga*****@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:

>In article <u4*************@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
Bob Martin <bo********@excite.comwrote:

>>in 708891 20061205 104454 ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:

>>>dont give free advice without thinking.
dont try to be oversmart.

--raxit

santosh wrote:

ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:
<snip>
Please don't top post. See below:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
<clc-wiki.net/>

I'm sick of this top-posting / bottom-posting fascism.
Let people do what they want, I can handle it.

It is just a small part of the general fascism that is this newsgroup.
I'd get used to it, if I were you (and planned to stick around).

I'll stick around as long as I can, but I'm getting on a bit ;-)

[Keith Thompson]

ra************@yahoo.co.in writes:

dont give free advice without thinking.
dont try to be oversmart.

--raxit

santosh wrote:

>ra************@yahoo.co.in wrote:
<snip>
Please don't top post. See below:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
<clc-wiki.net/>

Insulting someone who gives you good advice is foolish.

I'm sure santosh gave you his valuable free advice after thinking
about it. I have no idea what "oversmart" means, but you might try it
yourself.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks***@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <* <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.

[dcorbit]

Kenny McCormack wrote:

In article <4t*************@mid.individual.net>,
Default User <de***********@yahoo.comwrote:

Bob Martin wrote:

I'm sick of this top-posting / bottom-posting fascism.
Let people do what they want, I can handle it.

No.

Keep in mind that this "DefaultUser/Brian" creature is a bona fide
anti-top-posting fanatic. You'll get no quarter from him.

He got into quite a chick fight a month or so ago with some of the
esteemed regulars over this.

Yes. He seems to be fighting a losing battle to ensure that courtesy
is maintained.
Nettiquette is part of USENET courtesy. See (for example):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

For me, sometimes I don't have a problem with top-posting (e.g. when
you are replying to a single line and it is directly below your post).
On the other hand, as a habit -- and when a tiny response is posted
above a large message -- I find it quite annoying. This is especially
the case when the bit that they are replying to is buried somewhere
down deep in the message.

BTW, he (Brian) is a highly intelligent and valuable poster. I read
everything that he writes.

The history of news:comp.lang.c is one of pedantry. Many posters view
this as something bad. Personally, I think it keeps the group accurate
and focused.

IMO-YMMV.

[Keith Thompson]

dc*****@connx.com writes:

Kenny McCormack wrote:

[the usual]

Yes. He seems to be fighting a losing battle to ensure that courtesy
is maintained.
Nettiquette is part of USENET courtesy. See (for example):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

[...]

Kenny McCormack is a self-proclaimed troll. I suggest that this
newsgroup is best served by completely ignoring him. If he's starved
of the attention he seems to crave, he just might go away, but even if
he doesn't, the newsgroup will be a more pleasant place for those who
have wisely killfiled him. In short, please don't feed the troll.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks***@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <* <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.

[Richard Heathfield]

Keith Thompson said:

dc*****@connx.com writes:

>Kenny McCormack wrote:

[the usual]

>Yes. He seems to be fighting a losing battle to ensure that courtesy
is maintained.
Nettiquette is part of USENET courtesy. See (for example):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

[...]

Kenny McCormack is a self-proclaimed troll.

I've been around comp.lang.c for long enough to know that you've been
around comp.lang.c for long enough to know that Dann Corbit has been around
comp.lang.c for long enough to know this already.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <ln************@nuthaus.mib.org>,
Keith Thompson <ks***@mib.orgwrote:

>dc*****@connx.com writes:

>Kenny McCormack wrote:

[the usual]

>Yes. He seems to be fighting a losing battle to ensure that courtesy
is maintained.
Nettiquette is part of USENET courtesy. See (for example):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

[...]

Kenny McCormack is a self-proclaimed troll. I suggest that this
newsgroup is best served by completely ignoring him. If he's starved
of the attention he seems to crave, he just might go away, but even if
he doesn't, the newsgroup will be a more pleasant place for those who
have wisely killfiled him. In short, please don't feed the troll.

Still can't let it go, can you?

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <yd********************@bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrote:

>Keith Thompson said:

>dc*****@connx.com writes:

>>Kenny McCormack wrote:

[the usual]

>>Yes. He seems to be fighting a losing battle to ensure that courtesy
is maintained.
Nettiquette is part of USENET courtesy. See (for example):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

[...]

Kenny McCormack is a self-proclaimed troll.

I've been around comp.lang.c for long enough to know that you've been
around comp.lang.c for long enough to know that Dann Corbit has been around
comp.lang.c for long enough to know this already.

Yabbut, that's just the problem. KT is just not biologically capable of
leaving it be - that is, of letting it lie there and getting on with his
life.

[Default User]

dc*****@connx.com wrote:

>
Kenny McCormack wrote:

In article <4t*************@mid.individual.net>,
Default User <de***********@yahoo.comwrote:

Bob Martin wrote:
>
>
>I'm sick of this top-posting / bottom-posting fascism.
>Let people do what they want, I can handle it.
>
>
No.

Keep in mind that this "DefaultUser/Brian" creature is a bona fide
anti-top-posting fanatic. You'll get no quarter from him.

I won't argue.

He got into quite a chick fight a month or so ago with some of the
esteemed regulars over this.

The usual lies from Kenny. The argument wasn't over top-posting or not,
it's whether it was useful to have posts that were solely about the
subject.

I came up with a compromise that seemed to resolve things adequately.

Yes. He seems to be fighting a losing battle to ensure that courtesy
is maintained.

I'm not admitting that it's a losing fight at all!

Brian

[Keith Thompson]

Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.invalidwrites:

Keith Thompson said:

>dc*****@connx.com writes:

>>Kenny McCormack wrote:

[the usual]

>>Yes. He seems to be fighting a losing battle to ensure that courtesy
is maintained.
Nettiquette is part of USENET courtesy. See (for example):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

[...]

Kenny McCormack is a self-proclaimed troll.

I've been around comp.lang.c for long enough to know that you've been
around comp.lang.c for long enough to know that Dann Corbit has been around
comp.lang.c for long enough to know this already.

Sure, but other readers might not (which is why I posted to the
newsgroup rather than sending e-mail), and it's not inconceivable that
a reminder could be of some benefit. If Dann makes it clear that he
disagrees with me on this, I won't bug him about it again, just as
I've already decided not to bug you about it again.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks***@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <* <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.

[Kenneth Brody]

dc*****@connx.com wrote:
[...]

For me, sometimes I don't have a problem with top-posting (e.g. when
you are replying to a single line and it is directly below your post).

But where is the person who replies to your reply supposed to write?

On the other hand, as a habit -- and when a tiny response is posted
above a large message -- I find it quite annoying. This is especially
the case when the bit that they are replying to is buried somewhere
down deep in the message.

Hence the reason for trimming and in-line posting, rather than a strict
"bottom-posting", which IMHO is almost as bad as strict top-posting.

[...]

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| Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | #include |
| kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | <std_disclaimer.h|
+-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------+
Don't e-mail me at: <mailto:Th*************@gmail.com>

[pete]

Bob Martin wrote:

santosh wrote:

Please don't top post. See below:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
<clc-wiki.net/>

I'm sick of this top-posting / bottom-posting fascism.
Let people do what they want,

I agree. What people want to do,
is to tell you to stop top posting in this newsgroup.

I can handle it.

Apparently not, if as you say, it makes you sick.

--
pete

[Richard Bos]

Kenneth Brody <ke******@spamcop.netwrote:

O dc*****@connx.com wrote:
n [...]

For me, sometimes I don't have a problem with top-posting (e.g.

t when you are replying to a single line and it is directly below
h your post).
e >

But where is the person who replies to your reply supposed to write?

s >
i On the other hand, as a habit -- and when a tiny response is
d posted above a large message -- I find it quite annoying. This is
e especially the case when the bit that they are replying to is
.. buried somewhere down deep in the message.

Richard

[Bob Martin]

in 709022 20061206 005834 pete <pf*****@mindspring.comwrote:

>Bob Martin wrote:

>santosh wrote:

>Please don't top post. See below:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
<clc-wiki.net/>

I'm sick of this top-posting / bottom-posting fascism.
Let people do what they want,

I agree. What people want to do,
is to tell you to stop top posting in this newsgroup.

>I can handle it.

Apparently not, if as you say, it makes you sick.

--
pete

Please concentrate, Pete.
a) I didn't / don't top-post
b) I can handle other people top-posting
c) I'm only sick of people moaning, and moaning, and moaning, about other people top-posting.
Geddit?

[pete]

Bob Martin wrote:

Please concentrate, Pete.
a) I didn't / don't top-post

Sorry about that.

b) I can handle other people top-posting
c) I'm only sick of people moaning, and moaning, and moaning,
about other people top-posting.
Geddit?

Yes. Good luck.

--
pete

[Bob Martin]

in 709221 20061206 232206 pete <pf*****@mindspring.comwrote:

>Bob Martin wrote:

>Please concentrate, Pete.
a) I didn't / don't top-post

Sorry about that.

>b) I can handle other people top-posting
c) I'm only sick of people moaning, and moaning, and moaning,
about other people top-posting.
Geddit?

Yes. Good luck.

Thanks ;-)