using a freed pointer

[Serve Laurijssen]

Consider the following code

char *p1 = malloc(10);
char *p2 = malloc(10);

if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

free(p1);
if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

is this a case of UB on the second comparison? Since p1 does contain a valid
value even though there's no valid object there anymore.

[Clark S. Cox III]

Serve Laurijssen wrote:

Consider the following code

char *p1 = malloc(10);
char *p2 = malloc(10);

if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

free(p1);
if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

is this a case of UB on the second comparison? Since p1 does contain a valid
value even though there's no valid object there anymore.

Yes, it is UB. As an example:

Consider a platform that has separate data and address registers. Also
consider that this platform has virtual memory, and that free() unmaps
the passed-in pointer from the address space. The mere act of loading
the p1 pointer into a register in order to compare it to another
platform could cause a bus error, crash the program, etc.
--
Clark S. Cox III
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[Ian Malone]

Clark S. Cox III wrote:

Serve Laurijssen wrote:

>Consider the following code

char *p1 = malloc(10);
char *p2 = malloc(10);

if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

free(p1);
if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

is this a case of UB on the second comparison? Since p1 does contain a valid
value even though there's no valid object there anymore.

Yes, it is UB. As an example:

Consider a platform that has separate data and address registers. Also
consider that this platform has virtual memory, and that free() unmaps
the passed-in pointer from the address space. The mere act of loading
the p1 pointer into a register in order to compare it to another
platform could cause a bus error, crash the program, etc.

Strictly you can't compare pointers from different objects, I'm
sure someone else on here will be able to say whether p1 p2
is implementation defined or undefined even without the free,
but it is one of the two.

--
imalone

[Kenneth Brody]

"Clark S. Cox III" wrote:

>
Serve Laurijssen wrote:

Consider the following code

char *p1 = malloc(10);
char *p2 = malloc(10);

if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

free(p1);
if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

is this a case of UB on the second comparison? Since p1 does contain a valid
value even though there's no valid object there anymore.

Yes, it is UB. As an example:

Consider a platform that has separate data and address registers. Also
consider that this platform has virtual memory, and that free() unmaps
the passed-in pointer from the address space. The mere act of loading
the p1 pointer into a register in order to compare it to another
platform could cause a bus error, crash the program, etc.

Isn't it UB even if p1 isn't freed, because p1 and p2 do not point
within the same object?

Consider the old segmented architecture of the 8088 CPU, and assume
that you are compiling in a mode that uses "far" pointers. If the
mallocs happen to return:

p1 = 0x1000:0xff00 (absolute address 0x1ff00)
and
p2 = 0x2000:0x0010 (absolute address 0x20010)

The code generated by the compiler can (correctly, as far as the
Standard is concerned) claim that "p1 p2" is true, because the
offset 0xff00 is greater than the offset 0x0010.

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[Richard Bos]

"Serve Laurijssen" <se*@n.tkwrote:

Consider the following code

char *p1 = malloc(10);
char *p2 = malloc(10);

if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

free(p1);
if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

is this a case of UB on the second comparison? Since p1 does contain a valid
value even though there's no valid object there anymore.

It's UB both times because of comparing two pointers to different
objects using a relational operator; it's also UB the second time for
the reason you mention.
I wouldn't wonder if the way some popular implementations handle this UB
(especially the first case) is by pretending that it's legal and making
up a reasonable-looking answer; I wouldn't wonder, either, if the next
implementation crashed your program with a bus error or segfault.

Richard

[Clark S. Cox III]

Kenneth Brody wrote:

"Clark S. Cox III" wrote:

>Serve Laurijssen wrote:

>>Consider the following code

char *p1 = malloc(10);
char *p2 = malloc(10);

if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

free(p1);
if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

is this a case of UB on the second comparison? Since p1 does contain a valid
value even though there's no valid object there anymore.

Yes, it is UB. As an example:

Consider a platform that has separate data and address registers. Also
consider that this platform has virtual memory, and that free() unmaps
the passed-in pointer from the address space. The mere act of loading
the p1 pointer into a register in order to compare it to another
platform could cause a bus error, crash the program, etc.

Isn't it UB even if p1 isn't freed, because p1 and p2 do not point
within the same object?

Indeed, I forgot about that issue. However, to the OP: in answer to your
question, the following is still undefined.

char *p1 = malloc(10); //Assume that malloc succeeds
char *p2 = p1 + 5;

if(p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

free(p1);

/*Even attempting to compare p1 or p2 results in UB */
if(p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

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Clark S. Cox III
cl*******@gmail.com

[Ancient_Hacker]

Serve Laurijssen wrote:

Consider the following code

char *p1 = malloc(10);
char *p2 = malloc(10);

if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

free(p1);
if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

is this a case of UB on the second comparison? Since p1 does contain a valid
value even though there's no valid object there anymore.

Several issues:

(1) I doubt if C assigns any meaning to pointer ordering, so why
should you expect p1 p2 to mean anything even if p1 and p2 are still
allocated?

(2) After a free(p1) I can't think of anything you can do with p1
other than setting it to another value. Even comparing it for
equality to another pointer sounds really iffy, and probably useless
to boot.

[Keith Thompson]

"Ancient_Hacker" <gr**@comcast.netwrites:

Serve Laurijssen wrote:

>Consider the following code

char *p1 = malloc(10);
char *p2 = malloc(10);

if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

free(p1);
if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

is this a case of UB on the second comparison? Since p1 does contain a valid
value even though there's no valid object there anymore.

Several issues:

(1) I doubt if C assigns any meaning to pointer ordering, so why
should you expect p1 p2 to mean anything even if p1 and p2 are still
allocated?

Why speculate?

C certainly does assign a meaning to pointer ordering. If it didn't,
the ">" operator wouldn't be legal for pointer operands.

Relational operators ("<", "<=", ">", ">=") on pointer values are
meaningful only if both point into the same object; otherwise the
behavior is undefined. See C99 6.5.8p5 for details; Google n1124.pdf
for a copy of the standard (plus TC1 and TC2).

(2) After a free(p1) I can't think of anything you can do with p1
other than setting it to another value. Even comparing it for
equality to another pointer sounds really iffy, and probably useless
to boot.

After free(p1), the value of p1 is indeterminate; referring to that
value in any way (potentially) invokes undefined behavior. (I added
the weasel-word "potentially" because of some subtle issues involving
indeterminate values vs. trap representations vs. unspecified values;
there's been a discussion recently in comp.std.c. Bottom line: Don't
do that.)

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[pete]

Serve Laurijssen wrote:

>
Consider the following code

char *p1 = malloc(10);
char *p2 = malloc(10);

if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

free(p1);
if (p1 p2)
puts("bigger");

is this a case of UB on the second comparison?
Since p1 does contain a valid
value even though there's no valid object there anymore.

p1 does not contain a valid value
because there's no valid object there anymore.

The value of a pointer to an object type, can only be either:
1 an adress of an object or one past
2 a null pointer
3 indeterminate

--
pete