type of an expression

[fctk]

hello

is it possible to determine the type of an expression? something like
operator sizeof but for types...

for example:

typeof(5.0) --> returns "double"
typeof(5+7) --> returns "int"

etc.

[Richard G. Riley]

On 2006-03-26, fctk <-> wrote:

hello

is it possible to determine the type of an expression? something like
operator sizeof but for types...

for example:

typeof(5.0) --> returns "double"
typeof(5+7) --> returns "int"

etc.

Since, taking a guess, there is no evidence of any type information
being stored with the object data then no.

The type information is "stored" in the handles (variables) used to
access that data : and can therefore be lost through casts,

Will be interested to hear anything different as I've never seen or
used runtime type checks in C.

[Jordan Abel]

On 2006-03-26, Richard G. Riley <rg****@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2006-03-26, fctk <-> wrote:

hello

is it possible to determine the type of an expression? something like
operator sizeof but for types...

for example:

typeof(5.0) --> returns "double"
typeof(5+7) --> returns "int"

etc.
Since, taking a guess, there is no evidence of any type information
being stored with the object data then no.

Yeah, but he's referring to the type of an expression - this is known at
compile time. The type of *(int *)&f is int, and no undefined behavior
would be invoked just like none is invoked currently when passing that
expression to the sizeof operator.
The type information is "stored" in the handles (variables) used to
access that data : and can therefore be lost through casts,

Will be interested to hear anything different as I've never seen or
used runtime type checks in C.

He's not talking about runtime type checks - the typeof operator works
on expressions, not blobs of memory, and is a common extension.

[Chris Smith]

<fctk <->> wrote:

is it possible to determine the type of an expression? something like
operator sizeof but for types...

for example:

typeof(5.0) --> returns "double"
typeof(5+7) --> returns "int"

There is no such language feature. However, it's important to note that
types, by definition, are ALWAYS statically determinable at compile
time, so there's never strictly a need to determine the type using an
operator. You just look at the types of the operands, and apply the
language rules to determine the resulting type.

Granted, though, those rules can be confusing, especially in Java 1.5.
I'm not sure it'd help to have the operator then, though, as Java 1.5
has various types that aren't even expressable in language syntax.

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[Jordan Abel]

On 2006-03-26, Chris Smith <cd*****@twu.net> wrote:

<fctk <->> wrote:

is it possible to determine the type of an expression? something like
operator sizeof but for types...

for example:

typeof(5.0) --> returns "double"
typeof(5+7) --> returns "int"
There is no such language feature. However, it's important to note that
types, by definition, are ALWAYS statically determinable at compile
time, so there's never strictly a need to determine the type using an
operator. You just look at the types of the operands, and apply the
language rules to determine the resulting type.

Yeah, _you_ can look at it, but you can't make the compiler look at it.

#define assign_from_va(v,list) ((v)=va_next((list),typeof(v)))

#define swap(a,b) do { typeof(b) x=(a); (a)=(b); (b)=(x); } while(0)

#define member_bytes(a,b) ((unsigned char *)(&(a))+\
offsetof(typeof(a),b))
Granted, though, those rules can be confusing, especially in Java 1.5.
I'm not sure it'd help to have the operator then, though, as Java 1.5
has various types that aren't even expressable in language syntax.

He doesn't want the type as a string, he wants it as something he can
use as a type to declare other variables with, or cast to, or maybe pass
to offsetof, etc.

[Chris Smith]

Chris Smith <cd*****@twu.net> wrote:

[Stuff about Java]

Sorry, wrong newsgroup!

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[Jordan Abel]

On 2006-03-26, Chris Smith <cd*****@twu.net> wrote:

Chris Smith <cd*****@twu.net> wrote:

[Stuff about Java]

Sorry, wrong newsgroup!

I thought you were talking about Java by analogy, since types _aren't_
always statically determinable in Java itself [unless you want to be
stuck thinking of something as an Object.]

[Richard G. Riley]

On 2006-03-26, Jordan Abel <ra*******@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2006-03-26, Richard G. Riley <rg****@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2006-03-26, fctk <-> wrote:

hello

is it possible to determine the type of an expression? something like
operator sizeof but for types...

for example:

typeof(5.0) --> returns "double"
typeof(5+7) --> returns "int"

etc.

Since, taking a guess, there is no evidence of any type information
being stored with the object data then no.

Yeah, but he's referring to the type of an expression - this is known at
compile time. The type of *(int *)&f is int, and no undefined behavior
would be invoked just like none is invoked currently when passing that
expression to the sizeof operator.

The type information is "stored" in the handles (variables) used to
access that data : and can therefore be lost through casts,

Will be interested to hear anything different as I've never seen or
used runtime type checks in C.

He's not talking about runtime type checks - the typeof operator works
on expressions, not blobs of memory, and is a common extension.

There was nothing to say he was referring to compile time only was
there ? That is clear since the handles have that type information -
its why types and implicit conversions exist - as you pointed out.

[Jordan Abel]

On 2006-03-26, Richard G. Riley <rg****@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2006-03-26, Jordan Abel <ra*******@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2006-03-26, Richard G. Riley <rg****@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2006-03-26, fctk <-> wrote:
hello

is it possible to determine the type of an expression? something like
operator sizeof but for types...

for example:

typeof(5.0) --> returns "double"
typeof(5+7) --> returns "int"

etc.

Since, taking a guess, there is no evidence of any type information
being stored with the object data then no.

Yeah, but he's referring to the type of an expression - this is known at
compile time. The type of *(int *)&f is int, and no undefined behavior
would be invoked just like none is invoked currently when passing that
expression to the sizeof operator.

The type information is "stored" in the handles (variables) used to
access that data : and can therefore be lost through casts,

Will be interested to hear anything different as I've never seen or
used runtime type checks in C.

He's not talking about runtime type checks - the typeof operator works
on expressions, not blobs of memory, and is a common extension.

There was nothing to say he was referring to compile time only was
there ? That is clear since the handles have that type information -
its why types and implicit conversions exist - as you pointed out.

An expression is a compile-time construct, though.

[santosh]

fctk wrote:

hello

is it possible to determine the type of an expression? something like
operator sizeof but for types...

for example:

typeof(5.0) --> returns "double"
typeof(5+7) --> returns "int"

No. Though you can figure out the type of an expression by carefully
applying the rules of C, there is no provision in the language or the
library to determine the type of an object. I suppose you mean
something analogous to RTTI in C++, but there is no such thing in C.

[lostpencil]

fctk 写�：

hello

is it possible to determine the type of an expression? something like
operator sizeof but for types...

for example:

typeof(5.0) --> returns "double"
typeof(5+7) --> returns "int"

etc.

hi,in the book named exceptional c++ has the code you needed,because
they are not simple ,i can't write all of them here .you can check the
book for help.

My best!
threes

[Jack Klein]

On 26 Mar 2006 17:47:41 -0800, "lostpencil" <sp************@gmail.com>
wrote in comp.lang.c:

fctk ???

hello

is it possible to determine the type of an expression? something like
operator sizeof but for types...

for example:

typeof(5.0) --> returns "double"
typeof(5+7) --> returns "int"

etc.

hi,in the book named exceptional c++ has the code you needed,because
they are not simple ,i can't write all of them here .you can check the
book for help.

But since this is comp.lang.c, your answer is completely meaningless,
and the book is not relevant at all.

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[Micah Cowan]

Jordan Abel <ra*******@gmail.com> writes:

An expression is a compile-time construct, though.

(Ignoring issues with variably modified types.)

[Jordan Abel]

On 2006-03-27, Micah Cowan <mi***@cowan.name> wrote:

Jordan Abel <ra*******@gmail.com> writes:

An expression is a compile-time construct, though.

(Ignoring issues with variably modified types.)

It's still not an "expression" anymore at runtime, it's just code like
any other code. _most_ expressions are evaluated at runtime, not just
those involving variably modified types, but an expression is
a syntactic construct, not a functional one.