Group rules

[hdante]

Out of curiosity, where are the group rules ? I ask so, because people
are usually dismissed, by saying that something "is not standard".

Thanks,
Henrique Dante de Almeida

[Robert Gamble]

hdante wrote:

Out of curiosity, where are the group rules ? I ask so, because people
are usually dismissed, by saying that something "is not standard".

Thanks,
Henrique Dante de Almeida

comp.lang.c doesn't have an official charter but the comp.lang.c
welcome message contains the generally accepted description of the
group and what is topical here. You can read the welcome message at
http://www.ungerhu.com/jxh/clc.welcome.txt.

You might also find the detailed description of comp.lang.c on the
clc-wiki site useful. It can be found at
http://clc-wiki.net/wiki/Reading_And...To_comp.lang.c

Robert Gamble

[Keith Thompson]

"hdante" <hd****@gmail.com> writes:

Out of curiosity, where are the group rules ? I ask so, because people
are usually dismissed, by saying that something "is not standard".

The phrase "not standard" usually refers to the C language standard.
Google n1124.pdf for the latest draft. System-specific extensions and
libraries not covered by the language standard are considered
off-topic.

There's a good introduction at
<http://clc-wiki.net/wiki/Introduction_to_comp.lang.c>.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks***@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.

[Vladimir S. Oka]

hdante opined:

Out of curiosity, where are the group rules ? I ask so, because
people are usually dismissed, by saying that something "is not
standard".

Apart from other good advice and pointers given elsethread, it's
generally a good idea to lurk for at least a couple of months to get a
"feel" for the group (any, not just c.l.c). One thing Google Groups is
good for is compressing said couple of months by browsing through past
posts.

--
BR, Vladimir

Against stupidity the very gods Themselves contend in vain.
-- Friedrich von Schiller, "The Maid of Orleans", III, 6

[Rod Pemberton]

"hdante" <hd****@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11**********************@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Out of curiosity, where are the group rules ? I ask so, because people
are usually dismissed, by saying that something "is not standard".

It's an unmoderated newsgroup. Despite what the others said, there aren't
any official rules. Official rules only exist for moderated newsgroups.
What you have here is a small group of long time participants agressively
insulting and dismissing non-long time participants.
Rod Pemberton

[Michael Mair]

Rod Pemberton schrieb:

"hdante" <hd****@gmail.com> wrote

Out of curiosity, where are the group rules ? I ask so, because people
are usually dismissed, by saying that something "is not standard".
It's an unmoderated newsgroup. Despite what the others said, there aren't
any official rules. Official rules only exist for moderated newsgroups.

This much is correct; there usually is a charter or similar for
a newsgroup nowadays but comp.lang.c and before that net.lang.c
does not have an official charter due to its effective age. Even
though a charter does not make an unmoderated group's rules more
official, it usually leads to better acceptance of the non-official
official rules.
However, even groups without charter can have topicality restrictions
which should be respected.

As C is used in many areas and on many platforms, it would be hard
to collect "all things C" in one newsgroup and still have a working,
helpful newsgroup. This led to a restriction on the essential thing:
C itself, i.e. the portable part of the language all good
implementations (should) have in common. This part is determined by
the language standard.
Even with this strong restriction on what is topical, there is much
traffic around here. If there is a question which really has no
other home, then you still can ask around here -- either you get
redirected to a place where you can receive more help or people
discuss it here. My own questions around here mostly are semi-topical
but there was no better place -- so there is a good amount of
sensible leeway.

What you have here is a small group of long time participants agressively
insulting and dismissing non-long time participants.

I see. Is this you having a bad day and taking it out on the others
using someone else's request?
Cheers
Michael
--
E-Mail: Mine is an /at/ gmx /dot/ de address.

[Keith Thompson]

"Rod Pemberton" <do*********@sorry.bitbuck.cmm> writes:

"hdante" <hd****@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11**********************@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Out of curiosity, where are the group rules ? I ask so, because people
are usually dismissed, by saying that something "is not standard".

It's an unmoderated newsgroup. Despite what the others said, there aren't
any official rules. Official rules only exist for moderated newsgroups.

Mr. Pemberton is correct, this is an unmoderated group. It doesn't have
official rules, but it does have some general guidelines.
What you have here is a small group of long time participants agressively
insulting and dismissing non-long time participants.

No, what you have here is a small group of regulars (some of us long
time participants, some relatively new) who try to encourage some
semblance of order, with the goal of being as helpful as possible to
as many people as possible. Often the best help we can offer is to
redirect a questioner to another newsgroup, one full of experts on
whatever the topic is. This task is made more difficult by a few
trolls who are more interested in whining and insulting others than in
participating in the newsgroup in any meaningful way.

The length of participation is irrelevant. Newcomers who add
something to the newsgroup are welcomed. Long-time trolls are treated
as trolls. Newcomers who make mistakes are usually given second and
third chances.

Don't take my word for this. Everyone's posting history is available;
judge for yourself.

<http://clc-wiki.net/wiki/Introduction_to_comp.lang.c> is a good
introduction to the newsgroup.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks***@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.