stoopid begineer with a question

[knilges]

I am trying to build a Hello World program in C++. I am using the c++ or
g++ complier in cygwin. My mangled code looks like this,

#include <iostream>

int main ()
{
cout << "Hello World";
return;
}

It looks like my example but it isn't working.

the compiler for g++ tells me the following:

hellotest.cpp: In function `int main()':
hellotest.cpp:5: error: `cout' undeclared (first use this function)
hellotest.cpp:5: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
for each function it appears in.)
hellotest.cpp:6: error: return-statement with no value, in function
returning 'int'

When I run it with an older complier Borland 4.5 it tells me that it can't
read the input file helloworld.rc.

What am I doing wrong?

[roberts.noah]

knilges wrote:

I am trying to build a Hello World program in C++. I am using the c++ or
g++ complier in cygwin. My mangled code looks like this,

#include <iostream>

int main ()
{
cout << "Hello World";
return;
}
int main()
{
std::cout << "Hello World" << std::endl;
return 0;
}
It looks like my example but it isn't working.

the compiler for g++ tells me the following:

hellotest.cpp: In function `int main()':
hellotest.cpp:5: error: `cout' undeclared (first use this function)
hellotest.cpp:5: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
for each function it appears in.)
hellotest.cpp:6: error: return-statement with no value, in function
returning 'int'

When I run it with an older complier Borland 4.5 it tells me that it can't
read the input file helloworld.rc.
That is some sort of compiler dependent file.
What am I doing wrong?

[Thomas Tutone]

knilges wrote:

I am trying to build a Hello World program in C++. I am using the c++ or
g++ complier in cygwin. My mangled code looks like this,

#include <iostream>

int main ()
{
cout << "Hello World";
replace the above line with:

std::cout << "Hello World";

and your program will compile fine.
return;
Delete the above line entirely, or replace it with:

return 0;
}

Best regards,

Tom

[Mike Smith]

ro**********@gmail.com wrote:

knilges wrote:

I am trying to build a Hello World program in C++. I am using the c++ or
g++ complier in cygwin. My mangled code looks like this,

#include <iostream>

int main ()
{
cout << "Hello World";
return;
}

int main()
{
std::cout << "Hello World" << std::endl;
return 0;
}

Or just leave out the return - a main() with no return is assumed to
return EXIT_SUCCESS.

--
Mike Smith

[David Harmon]

On 18 Jan 2006 07:57:58 -0800 in comp.lang.c++,
ro**********@gmail.com wrote,

std::cout << "Hello World" << std::endl;

endl is uncalled for there. Please don't teach bad habits.
If you want to add a newline, it should be:

std::cout << "Hello World\n";

[roberts.noah]

David Harmon wrote:

On 18 Jan 2006 07:57:58 -0800 in comp.lang.c++,
ro**********@gmail.com wrote,

std::cout << "Hello World" << std::endl;

endl is uncalled for there. Please don't teach bad habits.
If you want to add a newline, it should be:

std::cout << "Hello World\n";

Since std::cout may very well be buffered it is actually prudent to
pass std::endl instead of '\n'. In this *particular* case, since the
program exits immediately following the operation it is "unneccisary"
but it is a GOOD habit to get into since in anything more complex than
a hello world program is going to do more and you should flush your
outputs when you want them to be sent.

So, to each his own. I'll answer questions the way I see fit and
people can learn, or not, what they want.

Thanks anyway.

[Mike Wahler]

<ro**********@gmail.com> wrote in message
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David Harmon wrote:

On 18 Jan 2006 07:57:58 -0800 in comp.lang.c++,
ro**********@gmail.com wrote,

> std::cout << "Hello World" << std::endl;
endl is uncalled for there. Please don't teach bad habits.
If you want to add a newline, it should be:

std::cout << "Hello World\n";

Since std::cout may very well be buffered it is actually prudent to
pass std::endl instead of '\n'. In this *particular* case, since the
program exits immediately following the operation it is "unneccisary"
but it is a GOOD habit

IMO a 'good' habit would be something that is
always 'good' in general (e.g. use consistent
indentation style). But imo 'proper' use of
'endl' depends much upon context. Because of
what it does, using it needlessly can unnecessarily
degrade performance. (i/o is typically the slowest
part of a system -- that's why buffering was invented).
to get into since in anything more complex than
a hello world program is going to do more and you should flush your
outputs when you want them to be sent.
But it's often the case that 'visible' output is not needed
at every occurence of '\n'.

So, to each his own. I'll answer questions the way I see fit and
people can learn, or not, what they want.

And others will insert their opinions as they see fit. :-)

FWIW I've still never had the need to use 'endl' with
output streams.

-Mike

[roberts.noah]

Mike Wahler wrote:

<ro**********@gmail.com> wrote in message
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David Harmon wrote:

On 18 Jan 2006 07:57:58 -0800 in comp.lang.c++,
ro**********@gmail.com wrote,
> std::cout << "Hello World" << std::endl;

endl is uncalled for there. Please don't teach bad habits.

So, to each his own. I'll answer questions the way I see fit and
people can learn, or not, what they want.

And others will insert their opinions as they see fit. :-)

Well it seems some people feel I need permission to do so.

[roberts.noah]

Mike Wahler wrote:

<ro**********@gmail.com> wrote in message
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David Harmon wrote:

On 18 Jan 2006 07:57:58 -0800 in comp.lang.c++,
ro**********@gmail.com wrote,
> std::cout << "Hello World" << std::endl;

endl is uncalled for there. Please don't teach bad habits.

So, to each his own. I'll answer questions the way I see fit and
people can learn, or not, what they want.

And others will insert their opinions as they see fit. :-)

Well it seems some people feel I need permission to do so.

[Mike Wahler]

<ro**********@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Mike Wahler wrote:

<ro**********@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> David Harmon wrote:
>> On 18 Jan 2006 07:57:58 -0800 in comp.lang.c++,
>> ro**********@gmail.com wrote,
>> > std::cout << "Hello World" << std::endl;
>>
>> endl is uncalled for there. Please don't teach bad habits. > So, to each his own. I'll answer questions the way I see fit and
> people can learn, or not, what they want.

And others will insert their opinions as they see fit. :-)

Well it seems some people feel I need permission to do so.

Really? I haven't seen any indication of that. If someone
responds to your post with e.g. "don't say that", that simply
means they disagree, not that they're demanding you ask permission
to say it. (Civilly expressed) disagreements often lead to
useful discussion. Discussion sheds light on both sides of an
issue, and allows observers to draw their own conclusions.
I think that is especially useful for the novice.

-Mike

[knilges]

You guys must drink a lot of coffee!!! Whoa! LOL!


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Mike Wahler wrote:

<ro**********@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> David Harmon wrote:
>> On 18 Jan 2006 07:57:58 -0800 in comp.lang.c++,
>> ro**********@gmail.com wrote,
>> > std::cout << "Hello World" << std::endl;
>>
>> endl is uncalled for there. Please don't teach bad habits.

> So, to each his own. I'll answer questions the way I see fit and
> people can learn, or not, what they want.

And others will insert their opinions as they see fit. :-)

Well it seems some people feel I need permission to do so.

Really? I haven't seen any indication of that. If someone
responds to your post with e.g. "don't say that", that simply
means they disagree, not that they're demanding you ask permission
to say it. (Civilly expressed) disagreements often lead to
useful discussion. Discussion sheds light on both sides of an
issue, and allows observers to draw their own conclusions.
I think that is especially useful for the novice.

-Mike

[adrian suri]

Hi

try this instead, you missed out the name space declaration
//hello.cpp

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;
int main ()
{
cout << "Hello World" <<endl;

return 0;
}

compiles fine under watcom 1.4 under OS/2 4.52

regards

Adrian
knilges wrote:

I am trying to build a Hello World program in C++. I am using the c++ or
g++ complier in cygwin. My mangled code looks like this,

#include <iostream>

int main ()
{
cout << "Hello World";
return;
}

It looks like my example but it isn't working.

the compiler for g++ tells me the following:

hellotest.cpp: In function `int main()':
hellotest.cpp:5: error: `cout' undeclared (first use this function)
hellotest.cpp:5: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
for each function it appears in.)
hellotest.cpp:6: error: return-statement with no value, in function
returning 'int'

When I run it with an older complier Borland 4.5 it tells me that it can't
read the input file helloworld.rc.

What am I doing wrong?

[adrian suri]

hi

Hi

try this instead, you missed out the name space declaration
//hello.cpp

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;
int main ()
{
cout << "Hello World" <<endl;

return 0;
}

compiles fine under watcom 1.4 under OS/2 4.52

regards

Adrian
knilges wrote:

I am trying to build a Hello World program in C++. I am using the c++ or
g++ complier in cygwin. My mangled code looks like this,

#include <iostream>

int main ()
{
cout << "Hello World";
return;
}

It looks like my example but it isn't working.

the compiler for g++ tells me the following:

hellotest.cpp: In function `int main()':
hellotest.cpp:5: error: `cout' undeclared (first use this function)
hellotest.cpp:5: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
for each function it appears in.)
hellotest.cpp:6: error: return-statement with no value, in function
returning 'int'

When I run it with an older complier Borland 4.5 it tells me that it can't
read the input file helloworld.rc.

What am I doing wrong?

[Geo]

adrian suri wrote:

hi

Hi

try this instead, you missed out the name space declaration
//hello.cpp

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;
Argh... no don't do this

see the FAQ

http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lit....html#faq-27.5
int main ()
{
cout << "Hello World" <<endl;

return 0;
}

compiles fine under watcom 1.4 under OS/2 4.52

regards

Adrian
knilges wrote:

I am trying to build a Hello World program in C++. I am using the c++ or
g++ complier in cygwin. My mangled code looks like this,

#include <iostream>

int main ()
{
cout << "Hello World";
return;
}

It looks like my example but it isn't working.

the compiler for g++ tells me the following:

hellotest.cpp: In function `int main()':
hellotest.cpp:5: error: `cout' undeclared (first use this function)
hellotest.cpp:5: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
for each function it appears in.)
hellotest.cpp:6: error: return-statement with no value, in function
returning 'int'

When I run it with an older complier Borland 4.5 it tells me that it can't
read the input file helloworld.rc.

What am I doing wrong?

[Daniel T.]

In article <11**********************@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"Geo" <[e-mail]> wrote:

try this instead, you missed out the name space declaration
//hello.cpp

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

Argh... no don't do this

see the FAQ

http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lit....html#faq-27.5

As I recall, Herb Sutter disagrees with the faq on this point.

[Geo]

Daniel T. wrote:

In article <11**********************@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"Geo" <[e-mail]> wrote:

try this instead, you missed out the name space declaration
//hello.cpp

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

Argh... no don't do this

see the FAQ

http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lit....html#faq-27.5

As I recall, Herb Sutter disagrees with the faq on this point.

Well that's Herb's choice, but I think I'll go with the concensus
opinion of he FAQ on this one YMMV.

[Gavin Deane]

Daniel T. wrote:

In article <11**********************@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"Geo" <[e-mail]> wrote:

try this instead, you missed out the name space declaration
//hello.cpp

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

Argh... no don't do this

see the FAQ

http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lit....html#faq-27.5

As I recall, Herb Sutter disagrees with the faq on this point.

Can you cite any reference for that? An online source or a book? I'd be
quite surprised to see Herb Sutter generally recommending using
directives (as opposed to using declarations). If he does disagree with
the FAQ I would be interested to read about it.

Gavin Deane

[Daniel T.]

In article <11**********************@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups .com>,
"Gavin Deane" <de*********@hotmail.com> wrote:

Daniel T. wrote:

In article <11**********************@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"Geo" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> try this instead, you missed out the name space declaration
> //hello.cpp
>
> #include <iostream>
> using namespace std;

Argh... no don't do this

see the FAQ

http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lit....html#faq-27.5
As I recall, Herb Sutter disagrees with the faq on this point.

Can you cite any reference for that?

C/C++ Users Journal April 2004 "Using Me"
I'd be
quite surprised to see Herb Sutter generally recommending using
directives (as opposed to using declarations). If he does disagree with
the FAQ I would be interested to read about it.

I thought he had it online, because he originally recommended not doing
it (just like he originally recommended using deque rather than vector
as the default container) then changed his mind.

[Looks some more...] I found it, look at message 15 of this thread:
<http://tinyurl.com/a79an>

[Gavin Deane]

Daniel T. wrote:

In article <11**********************@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups .com>,
"Gavin Deane" <de*********@hotmail.com> wrote:

Daniel T. wrote:

In article <11**********************@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"Geo" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lit....html#faq-27.5

As I recall, Herb Sutter disagrees with the faq on this point.

Can you cite any reference for that?

C/C++ Users Journal April 2004 "Using Me"

I'd be
quite surprised to see Herb Sutter generally recommending using
directives (as opposed to using declarations). If he does disagree with
the FAQ I would be interested to read about it.

I thought he had it online, because he originally recommended not doing
it (just like he originally recommended using deque rather than vector
as the default container) then changed his mind.

[Looks some more...] I found it, look at message 15 of this thread:
<http://tinyurl.com/a79an>

Thanks for digging that out.

I'm actually a little surprised at some of his original recommendations
(the one's where he's now changed his mind). I don't think I'd bother
with using declarations in toy programs. And if I was migrating a code
base with the help of using directives, I'm not sure I'd necessarily
bother replacing them with appropriate using declarations at the end of
the process.

His advice seems to boil down to "Use the tools the language provides
you to make your life easier". Makes sense to me, as long as you
understand the risks inherent in those tools as well.

Gavin Deane

[WToma]

Do you know how many gourp members does it take to change a light bulb?
:)
Nice day :)
Toma

[roberts.noah]

WToma wrote:

Do you know how many gourp members does it take to change a light bulb?

That is a hardware issue and has nothing to do with C++. Certainly the
standard neither states, nor implies, anything about light bulbs. You
should ask your question in a group specific to your specific lighting
management system.

[JustBoo]

On 27 Jan 2006 09:31:24 -0800, ro**********@gmail.com wrote:

WToma wrote:

Do you know how many gourp members does it take to change a light bulb?

That is a hardware issue and has nothing to do with C++. Certainly the
standard neither states, nor implies, anything about light bulbs. You
should ask your question in a group specific to your specific lighting
management system.

YOU! [Moe voice] Why I oughtta'! Bwha! :-D
Um... Merry Christmas you bastard! <g>
[That's a little... um, just a little um... joke. sigh]

Admit it, right before you clicked on this when you saw my moniker,
just for a split second you thought, oh... :-D

"One night I walked home very late and fell asleep in somebody's
satellite dish. My dreams showed up on TVs all over the world."-sw

[JustBoo]

On 27 Jan 2006 02:12:51 -0800, "Geo" <[e-mail]> wrote:

adrian suri wrote:

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

Argh... no don't do this
see the FAQ
http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lit....html#faq-27.5

That would be for production code correct? Let's parse the real
meaning of the emulating monkey-sheep-speech designed to impress the
perceived Alpha Males.

Argh: You are a stupid fool and I am more superior than you. [While
the monkey-sheep looks back for approval and acceptance from the
perceived Alpha Males.]

Let's examine some code from the good Doctors site:
From Bjarne Stroustrup's C++ Style and Technique FAQ
http://public.research.att.com/~bs/bs_faq2.html

<quote>
How do I write this very simple program?
[small bit of verbage snipped]
#include<iostream>
#include<vector>
#include<algorithm>

>>> using namespace std; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< int main()
{
vector<double> v;

double d;
while(cin>>d) v.push_back(d); // read elements
if (!cin.eof()) { // check if input
failed
cerr << "format error\n";
return 1; // error return
}

cout << "read " << v.size() << " elements\n";

reverse(v.begin(),v.end());
cout << "elements in reverse order:\n";
for (int i = 0; i<v.size(); ++i) cout << v[i] << '\n';

return 0; // success return
}
</quote>

And another:
<quote>
#include<iostream>
#include<string>>> using namespace std; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

int main()
{
cout << "Please enter a word:\n";

string s;
cin>>s;

cout << "You entered " << s << '\n';
}
</quote>

You'll find his usage of "using namespace std;" all through his
examples.

If it's good enough for the "founder/creator" then it's good enough
for... well I guess we're going to find out.

I think it's clear, in short *example* programs it should not be a
constant myopic language lawyer wannabe's dream to constantly,
snottily, constantly, pedantically, constantly, humorlessly,
constantly beat that dead horse to a pulp.

"The land that had nourished him and had borne him fruit
now turned against him and called him a fruit. Man, I hate
land like that." -- Jack Handey

[Default User]

WToma wrote:

Do you know how many gourp members does it take to change a light
bulb? :)

The ISO C++ standard does not define the gourp class, so we have no
idea what it's members might be.

Brian

[REH]

"Default User" <de***********@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WToma wrote:

Do you know how many gourp members does it take to change a light
bulb? :)

The ISO C++ standard does not define the gourp class, so we have no
idea what it's members might be.

Brian

Besides, we're software guys. We leave that up to the hardware engineers.

REH