perl-python a-day

[Xah Lee]

i'm starting a yahoo group for learning python. Each day, a tip of
python will be shown, with the perl equivalent. For those of you
perlers who always wanted to learn python, this is suitable. (i started
it because i always wanted to switch to python but too lazy and always
falling back to a lang i am an expert at, but frustrated constantly by
its inanities and incompetences.)

to subscribe, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/perl-python/

i'll cross post to comp.lang.perl.misc and comp.lang.python.
If you spot mistakes, feel free to correct or discourse here.

if you are a perl expert and wanted to learn python, i believe after a
month of this list we'll be python experts. This serves us as a means
to cross the Rubicon.
Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html

[Kenny Tilton]

Xah Lee wrote:

if you are a perl expert and wanted to learn python, i believe after a
month of this list we'll be python experts. This serves us as a means
to cross the Rubicon.

Bad news. That is not the Rubicon. That is the Mississippi* into which
you are about to wade.

kt

* The Mississippi twists and meanders so much that you can cross it and
end up on the same side.

--
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Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film

[Xah Lee]

Dear Kenny,

if you are so interested, i wonder if you'd enjoy writing a follow up
daily on how it is done in a lisp?
Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html

[R. Mattes]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:41:50 -0800, Xah Lee wrote:

Dear Kenny,

if you are so interested,
He probably isn't _too_ interested - maybe more in why this
ended up in comp.lang.lisp.
i wonder if you'd enjoy writing a follow up
daily on how it is done in a lisp?
What, string quoting? (to picl just one of your "expert"
topics :-)

i started
it because i always wanted to switch to python but too lazy and always
falling back to a lang i am an expert at, but frustrated constantly by
its inanities and incompetences.
Whoa! You're the first person i know who claims expert-ness for
him/herself. I'm looking forward to your entries about moving from
perl's module/namespace model to python's. A short explanation of
python's local vs. global variable scope would be helpful as well
(and an expert opinion on how to mimic perl's "my" "our" "your" (?)
in python).

Cheers RalfD
Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html

[Keith Thompson]

[snip]

Please drop comp.lang.c from this thread. It's probably off-topic in
comp.lang.lisp and comp.lang.scheme as well, but I'm not familiar with
the conventions there.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks***@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.

[Kenny Tilton]

Xah Lee wrote:

Dear Kenny,

if you are so interested, i wonder if you'd enjoy writing a follow up
daily on how it is done in a lisp?

Thank you for welcoming Lisp entries into your journal.

<duck> Unfortunately, I do not know Perl or Python so it would be more
than a little work for me and I am quite busy actually programming in
Lisp these days. <\duck> But!

I will assign one of the many Lisp rug-rats crawling all over c.l.l. to
this task, as a great way for them to transition from Perl (some of them
must know Perl) to Common Lisp. (Since your content will likewise be
sorted appropriately for a transition from Perl to Python.) Let's see...

....you! Over there! You know Perl. Do the Lisp versions for this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/perl-python/

Note to Xah: work on your blanket marketing skills. I had to scroll back
a few messages because your reply to me did not include:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/perl-python/

I ended up at your Web page. Nice new pix!

http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/Person.../mi_pixra.html

It is a pleasure having a face to associate with The Great Xah. But I
was looking for:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/perl-python/

:)

kenny

--
Cells? Cello? Celtik?: http://www.common-lisp.net/project/cells/
Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film

[Xah Lee]

it is rather too bad seeing a bunch of lispers clowning about it.
one could have indeed started such a daily tip that would be useful and
instigate learning.

anyway, there used to be comp.lang.java.*, but the whole group sees
gone. Does anyone know what happens to it?
Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html

[Kenny Tilton]

Xah Lee wrote:

it is rather too bad seeing a bunch of lispers clowning about it.
There is nothing wrong with humor, and humor does not entail disrespect.
one could have indeed started such a daily tip that would be useful and
instigate learning.

Projects like these succeed if their founders stick with them until they
themselves have put in enough content to generate interest and pick up
new contributors and grow even more until they become self-sustaining.

Also, steady marketing is necessary to achieve mindshare.

What you might do is continue the effort, frequently appearing on a
python group to ask questions, always advertising your site and its
noble purpose.

You might also ask around to see if folks like the design of those
pages. I myself could not quite make out at what I was looking.

kt

--
Cells? Cello? Celtik?: http://www.common-lisp.net/project/cells/
Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film

[Harald Hanche-Olsen]

+ Kenny Tilton <kt*****@nyc.rr.com>:

| There is nothing wrong with humor

Yes, there is!

(Oops, sorry, I thought this was c.l.py.)

--
* Harald Hanche-Olsen <URL:http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/>
- Debating gives most of us much more psychological satisfaction
than thinking does: but it deprives us of whatever chance there is
of getting closer to the truth. -- C.P. Snow