What is the value of (-1 >> 6)?

[Grant]

Are the bitwise operators >>, <<, &, |, ~, ^ only defined for
non-negative values?

The little program below produces the output
3 255
I expected to get the 3 but why does it produce the 255 when the
variable c is not typecast first?


#include <stdio.h>

int main(int argc, char **argv) {

char c = -1;
unsigned char uc1 = (unsigned char)c >> 6;
unsigned char uc2 = c >> 6;

printf("%hhu %hhu\n", uc1, uc2);
return 0;
}

[Tim Prince]

Grant wrote:

Are the bitwise operators >>, <<, &, |, ~, ^ only defined for
non-negative values?

The little program below produces the output
3 255
I expected to get the 3 but why does it produce the 255 when the
variable c is not typecast first?


#include <stdio.h>

int main(int argc, char **argv) {

char c = -1;
unsigned char uc1 = (unsigned char)c >> 6;
unsigned char uc2 = c >> 6;

printf("%hhu %hhu\n", uc1, uc2);
return 0;
}

When you don't specify whether you want signed or unsigned char, you leave
it up to the designers of your compiler. Apparently, you tested on a
system where it's signed 2's complement.
--
Tim Prince

[pete]

Grant wrote:

Are the bitwise operators >>, <<, &, |, ~, ^ only defined for
non-negative values?

Yes.

--
pete

[Jack Klein]

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:29:51 GMT, pete <pf*****@mindspring.com> wrote
in comp.lang.c:

Grant wrote:

Are the bitwise operators >>, <<, &, |, ~, ^ only defined for
non-negative values?

Yes.

NO!

They are only well-defined. Their effects when right shifting signed
types is implementation-defined, but that is a far cry from undefined.

--
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[pete]

Jack Klein wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:29:51 GMT, pete <pf*****@mindspring.com> wrote
in comp.lang.c:

Grant wrote:

Are the bitwise operators >>, <<, &, |, ~, ^ only defined for
non-negative values?

Yes.

NO!

They are only well-defined. Their effects when right shifting signed
types is implementation-defined, but that is a far cry from undefined.

"undefined aspects" is undefined, enough for me.

N869
6.5 Expressions
[#4]
... bitwise operators ...
These operators return values that depend on the internal
representations of integers, and have implementation-defined
and undefined aspects for signed types.

--
pete

[pete]

pete wrote:

Jack Klein wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:29:51 GMT, pete <pf*****@mindspring.com> wrote
in comp.lang.c:

Grant wrote:
>
> Are the bitwise operators >>, <<, &, |, ~, ^ only defined for
> non-negative values?

Yes.
NO!

They are only well-defined.
Their effects when right shifting signed
types is implementation-defined,
but that is a far cry from undefined.

right shift *is* implementation defined,
but OP asked about bitwise operators as a group,
so I took my answer from the part of the standard
which addresses the issue for bitwise operators
as a group.

"undefined aspects" is undefined, enough for me.

N869
6.5 Expressions
[#4]
... bitwise operators ...
These operators return values that depend on the internal
representations of integers, and have implementation-defined
and undefined aspects for signed types.

--
pete