"As-if" rule question

[Joona I Palaste]

Consider this C program.

#include <stdio.h>
int main(void) {
printf;("Hello world!\n");
return 0;
}

When we take into account the "as-if" rule, does this mean that the
implementation is allowed to compile this into a program which does
exactly *NOTHING* - not even anything without any effects - just the
standard start-up code and then immediately afterwards an "exit" opcode?
It doesn't even have to link the printf() implementation or store
"Hello world!\n" anywhere?

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[Nick Austin]

On 6 Sep 2003 16:03:46 GMT, Joona I Palaste <pa*****@cc.helsinki.fi>
wrote:

Consider this C program.

#include <stdio.h>
int main(void) {
printf;("Hello world!\n");
return 0;
}

When we take into account the "as-if" rule, does this mean that the
implementation is allowed to compile this into a program which does
exactly *NOTHING* - not even anything without any effects - just the
standard start-up code and then immediately afterwards an "exit" opcode?
It sets the return code to 0. Not exactly "nothing" but close.

The start-up code can be optimised out but I don't know of any
systems clever enough to do so.
It doesn't even have to link the printf() implementation or store
"Hello world!\n" anywhere?

Correct.

Nick.

[August Derleth]

Joona I Palaste <pa*****@cc.helsinki.fi> wrote in
news:bj**********@oravannahka.helsinki.fi on Sat 06 Sep 2003 10:03:46a:

Consider this C program.

#include <stdio.h>
int main(void) {
printf;("Hello world!\n");
return 0;
}
Nothing I'd write, good thing.

(Damn top bracket's in the wrong place... ;))

When we take into account the "as-if" rule

Where is this rule written? I have a copy of the Rationale (haven't read
through it, though), K&R2, and the web FAQ, and I've never read of it.

[Josh Sebastian]

On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:37:56 +0000, August Derleth wrote:

When we take into account the "as-if" rule

Where is this rule written? I have a copy of the Rationale (haven't read
through it, though), K&R2, and the web FAQ, and I've never read of it.

It is in the draft standard's index as 5.1.2.3. The most pertinent
paragraph, to my mind, is 5.1.2.3/3:

In the abstract machine, all expressions are evaluated as specified by
the semantics. An actual implementation need not evaluate part of an
expression if it can deduce that its value is not used and that no
needed side effects are produced (including any caused by calling a
function or accessing a volatile object).

Josh