Ask about: C++ IDE for Linux

Bernd Muent wrote:

gu******@gmail.com schrieb:
When I install KDevlop, it says: "checking for Qt... configure: error:
Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found."

Is KDE running on your system?
If no: first install KDE.

If yes: install the qt-devel packages of your distribution.
If they are installed, try ./configure --with-qt-libs=...

B.

Bogus. You don't need to install KDE to run QT Apps (thanks god). It's
sufficient to install the QT runtime libraries. Your package manager
will most certainly do this for you when resolving the dependencies. If
it doesn't, you should consider changing your distro...

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Jul 23 '05 #6

gu******@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Who can recommend a good IDE for C++ in Linux ?

Thanks!

Does the IDE use gcc compiler?

An IDE is usually not bound to any specific compiler, it's just a
toolset. Eclipse has a C/C++ plugin called CDT, you might want to look
into that.

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Jul 23 '05 #7

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

Bernd Muent wrote:
gu******@gmail.com schrieb:
When I install KDevlop, it says: "checking for Qt... configure: error:
Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found."

Is KDE running on your system?
If no: first install KDE.

If yes: install the qt-devel packages of your distribution.
If they are installed, try ./configure --with-qt-libs=...

B.

Bogus. You don't need to install KDE to run QT Apps (thanks god). It's
sufficient to install the QT runtime libraries. Your package manager
will most certainly do this for you when resolving the dependencies. If
it doesn't, you should consider changing your distro...

KDE is required by KDevelop. Ref:

http://kdevelop.org/index.html?filen...uirements.html

Larry

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Jul 23 '05 #8

guru.slt

thank you guys! I installed anjuta, works very well.

Jul 23 '05 #9

gu******@gmail.com wrote:

thank you guys! I installed anjuta, works very well.

Good choice :) Though I still prefer Emacs.

If KDevelop crashes as often as most other QT apps, you don't want to
use it anyway. We had to work on an UML diagram for about 6 hours today
and unfortunately chose Umbrello to do the job, and it crashed pretty
regularly every 5-10 minutes o_O
Ctrl+S is your friend.

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Jul 23 '05 #10

Larry I Smith wrote:

KDE is required by KDevelop. Ref:

http://kdevelop.org/index.html?filen...uirements.html

Larry

Looks like I was wrong with the "only needs QT" thing. However, if you
mean "requires the KDE Desktop" with "requires KDE", you're still
mistaken. You will only need "kdelibs4" and "kdebase-bin".

[root]# aptitude install kdevelop3
[...]
Need to get 15.3MB of archives. After unpacking 42.2MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
As compared to installing the whole KDE package:

[root]# aptitude install kde
[...]
Need to get 149MB of archives. After unpacking 410MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
Talk about a ~135MB difference here!
So trust me, you DON'T want to install KDE just for using KDevelop...
Blame the KDevelop website admin for this shameless plug. :D

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Jul 23 '05 #11

Vyacheslav Kononenko

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

If KDevelop crashes as often as most other QT apps, you don't want to use it anyway. We had to work on an UML diagram for about 6 hours today and unfortunately chose Umbrello to do the job, and it crashed pretty regularly every 5-10 minutes o_O
Ctrl+S is your friend.

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So by experience with one Umbrello you make such conclusion: "crashes
as often as most other QT apps". Do you mean there are 3-5 applications
for QT? How many QT application have you been used? How many of them
crashes?

Regards,
Vyacheslav

Jul 23 '05 #12

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

Larry I Smith wrote:
KDE is required by KDevelop. Ref:

http://kdevelop.org/index.html?filen...uirements.html

Larry

Looks like I was wrong with the "only needs QT" thing. However, if you
mean "requires the KDE Desktop" with "requires KDE", you're still
mistaken. You will only need "kdelibs4" and "kdebase-bin".

[root]# aptitude install kdevelop3
[...]
Need to get 15.3MB of archives. After unpacking 42.2MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
As compared to installing the whole KDE package:

[root]# aptitude install kde
[...]
Need to get 149MB of archives. After unpacking 410MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
Talk about a ~135MB difference here!
So trust me, you DON'T want to install KDE just for using KDevelop...
Blame the KDevelop website admin for this shameless plug. :D

Thanks, that's good info to know.

Larry

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Jul 23 '05 #13

Oliver Kellogg

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

[...] We had to work on an UML diagram for about 6 hours today
and unfortunately chose Umbrello to do the job, and it crashed pretty regularly every 5-10 minutes o_O

Admitted, Umbrello has had stability problems in past versions.
Please use at least version 1.4, it's much more stable.
Version 1.4.1 (to be released together with KDE 3.4.1 in a few days)
is even better.
If you still have problems with these recent Umbrello versions,
post them to http://bugs.kde.org/ and we'll look into them.

Oliver M. Kellogg

Jul 23 '05 #14

Vyacheslav Kononenko wrote:

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:
If KDevelop crashes as often as most other QT apps, you don't want to

use it anyway. We had to work on an UML diagram for about 6 hours

today
and unfortunately chose Umbrello to do the job, and it crashed pretty

regularly every 5-10 minutes o_O
Ctrl+S is your friend.

--
Matthias Kaeppler

So by experience with one Umbrello you make such conclusion: "crashes
as often as most other QT apps". Do you mean there are 3-5 applications
for QT? How many QT application have you been used? How many of them
crashes?

Regards,
Vyacheslav

How in heaven do you come to the conclusion I would only have used
Umbrello so far from the large set of QT apps? Even if it's only 3-5
applications, if they are major ones, that's serious enough, and for
sure a good reason to not use KDE as your desktop. I prefer stability
and usability over eye candy.

Anyway, it has happened with enough QT applications to leave that bitter
taste on my tongue. It was one reason why I changed the desktop from KDE
to Xfce and I never looked back.
One other major example is K3B, and amaroK wouldn't even start on my
system, it crashed before the GUI came up. Umbrello crashed every 10
minutes, in other words it's unusable. I noticed even Firefox and Emacs
(!), non-QT apps, crashing under the KDE desktop, that has never
happened in any other WM or Desktop I have been using.

Anyway, maybe it's just coincidence, or maybe not. QT was developed
pre-98 and has a lot of non-standard stuff in it, that already turns me
off, I'm glad they want to revise the whole library with the 4.0 release.

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Jul 23 '05 #15

Oliver Kellogg wrote:

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:
[...] We had to work on an UML diagram for about 6 hours today
and unfortunately chose Umbrello to do the job, and it crashed pretty

regularly every 5-10 minutes o_O

Admitted, Umbrello has had stability problems in past versions.
Please use at least version 1.4, it's much more stable.
Version 1.4.1 (to be released together with KDE 3.4.1 in a few days)
is even better.
If you still have problems with these recent Umbrello versions,
post them to http://bugs.kde.org/ and we'll look into them.

Oliver M. Kellogg

That's good news, because I do like Umbrello. I was actually the one who
proposed it, because at a first glance it looked complete and clean. I
still think it'd be a great UML modeller, if it would become stable.

It's really really hard to find any good free modelling tools. I have
tried a handfull so far, and none made me happy. So my hope still lies
in Umbrello :)

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Jul 23 '05 #16

Bernd Muent

Matthias Kaeppler schrieb:

Bernd Muent wrote:
gu******@gmail.com schrieb:
When I install KDevlop, it says: "checking for Qt... configure: error:
Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found."

Is KDE running on your system?
If no: first install KDE.

If yes: install the qt-devel packages of your distribution.
If they are installed, try ./configure --with-qt-libs=...

B.

Bogus. You don't need to install KDE to run QT Apps (thanks god). It's
sufficient to install the QT runtime libraries. Your package manager
will most certainly do this for you when resolving the dependencies. If
it doesn't, you should consider changing your distro...

No, he wants to install kdevelop. So he needs at least the KDE-libs. And
it is not sufficient to install only the QT runtime libraries, because
kdevelop needs the QT-header files for compiling.

B.

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Jul 23 '05 #17

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

How in heaven do you come to the conclusion I would only have used
Umbrello so far from the large set of QT apps? Even if it's only 3-5
applications, if they are major ones, that's serious enough, and for
sure a good reason to not use KDE as your desktop. I prefer stability
and usability over eye candy.

Anyway, it has happened with enough QT applications to leave that bitter
taste on my tongue. It was one reason why I changed the desktop from KDE
to Xfce and I never looked back.
One other major example is K3B, and amaroK wouldn't even start on my
system, it crashed before the GUI came up. Umbrello crashed every 10
minutes, in other words it's unusable. I noticed even Firefox and Emacs
(!), non-QT apps, crashing under the KDE desktop, that has never
happened in any other WM or Desktop I have been using.

Anyway, maybe it's just coincidence, or maybe not. QT was developed
pre-98 and has a lot of non-standard stuff in it, that already turns me
off, I'm glad they want to revise the whole library with the 4.0 release.

I use Linux mainly as a hobby, however are you sure those problems aren't problems of the
specific distribution that you are using? I am using KDE and never experienced an
application crash.
I use GNU/Linux since Slackware 3.0 era, and from all the free distributions I have used,
I think the greatest (or one of the greatest) to be White Box Linux:

http://www.whiteboxlinux.org
What distribution are you using?

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Jul 23 '05 #18

Vyacheslav Kononenko

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

How in heaven do you come to the conclusion I would only have used
Umbrello so far from the large set of QT apps? Even if it's only 3-5
applications, if they are major ones, that's serious enough, and for
sure a good reason to not use KDE as your desktop. I prefer stability and usability over eye candy.

Anyway, it has happened with enough QT applications to leave that bitter taste on my tongue. It was one reason why I changed the desktop from KDE to Xfce and I never looked back.
One other major example is K3B, and amaroK wouldn't even start on my
system, it crashed before the GUI came up. Umbrello crashed every 10
minutes, in other words it's unusable. I noticed even Firefox and Emacs (!), non-QT apps, crashing under the KDE desktop, that has never
happened in any other WM or Desktop I have been using.

Anyway, maybe it's just coincidence, or maybe not. QT was developed
pre-98 and has a lot of non-standard stuff in it, that already turns me off, I'm glad they want to revise the whole library with the 4.0 release.
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"A bad marriage is not a reason to condemn all women in general or
wives in particular" I am sorry, but I did not see imhos in your
postings. Did I miss something?

Regards,
Vyacheslav

Jul 23 '05 #19

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

Vyacheslav Kononenko wrote:
Matthias Kaeppler wrote:
If KDevelop crashes as often as most other QT apps, you don't want to

use it anyway. We had to work on an UML diagram for about 6 hours

today
and unfortunately chose Umbrello to do the job, and it crashed pretty

regularly every 5-10 minutes o_O
Ctrl+S is your friend.

--
Matthias Kaeppler

So by experience with one Umbrello you make such conclusion: "crashes
as often as most other QT apps". Do you mean there are 3-5 applications
for QT? How many QT application have you been used? How many of them
crashes?

Regards,
Vyacheslav

How in heaven do you come to the conclusion I would only have used
Umbrello so far from the large set of QT apps? Even if it's only 3-5
applications, if they are major ones, that's serious enough, and for
sure a good reason to not use KDE as your desktop. I prefer stability
and usability over eye candy.

Anyway, it has happened with enough QT applications to leave that bitter
taste on my tongue. It was one reason why I changed the desktop from KDE
to Xfce and I never looked back.
One other major example is K3B, and amaroK wouldn't even start on my
system, it crashed before the GUI came up. Umbrello crashed every 10
minutes, in other words it's unusable. I noticed even Firefox and Emacs
(!), non-QT apps, crashing under the KDE desktop, that has never
happened in any other WM or Desktop I have been using.

Anyway, maybe it's just coincidence, or maybe not. QT was developed
pre-98 and has a lot of non-standard stuff in it, that already turns me
off, I'm glad they want to revise the whole library with the 4.0 release.

Wow, sorry to hear that.

I use KDE and do heavy duty development work
(SuSE Pro v9.2).

I haven't had anything crash in over two years.
Mozilla, Firefox, K3b, Umbrello, KDevelop etc, etc
al work fine

Something is 'not right' with your system.

Good Luck,
Larry

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Jul 23 '05 #20

Ioannis Vranos wrote:

I use Linux mainly as a hobby, however are you sure those problems
aren't problems of the specific distribution that you are using? I am
using KDE and never experienced an application crash.
I use GNU/Linux since Slackware 3.0 era, and from all the free
distributions I have used, I think the greatest (or one of the greatest)
to be White Box Linux:

http://www.whiteboxlinux.org
What distribution are you using?

Sure, that may of course be the reason, I use Debian Sarge (the current
testing branch). However, I tried a couple of other distros, like SuSE,
RedHat, Mandrake, Arch, Fedora Core 3, and Debian testing turned out to
be a lot more stable than any of those.
In fact, the packages in Debian testing are older (and probably less
prone to bugs) than the packages in the distros mentioned above. Debian
has never tried to be bleeding edge, as opposed to most of the other big
distros, which yields a stability bonus.

Haven't used whitebox so far. Maybe I'll give it a shot when I find the
time. The installer looks like the one from Fedora.

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Jul 23 '05 #21

Larry I Smith wrote:

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:
Vyacheslav Kononenko wrote:
Matthias Kaeppler wrote:
If KDevelop crashes as often as most other QT apps, you don't want to
use it anyway. We had to work on an UML diagram for about 6 hours

today
and unfortunately chose Umbrello to do the job, and it crashed pretty
regularly every 5-10 minutes o_O
Ctrl+S is your friend.

--
Matthias Kaeppler
So by experience with one Umbrello you make such conclusion: "crashes
as often as most other QT apps". Do you mean there are 3-5 applications
for QT? How many QT application have you been used? How many of them
crashes?

Regards,
Vyacheslav

How in heaven do you come to the conclusion I would only have used
Umbrello so far from the large set of QT apps? Even if it's only 3-5
applications, if they are major ones, that's serious enough, and for
sure a good reason to not use KDE as your desktop. I prefer stability
and usability over eye candy.

Anyway, it has happened with enough QT applications to leave that bitter
taste on my tongue. It was one reason why I changed the desktop from KDE
to Xfce and I never looked back.
One other major example is K3B, and amaroK wouldn't even start on my
system, it crashed before the GUI came up. Umbrello crashed every 10
minutes, in other words it's unusable. I noticed even Firefox and Emacs
(!), non-QT apps, crashing under the KDE desktop, that has never
happened in any other WM or Desktop I have been using.

Anyway, maybe it's just coincidence, or maybe not. QT was developed
pre-98 and has a lot of non-standard stuff in it, that already turns me
off, I'm glad they want to revise the whole library with the 4.0 release.

Wow, sorry to hear that.

I use KDE and do heavy duty development work
(SuSE Pro v9.2).

I haven't had anything crash in over two years.
Mozilla, Firefox, K3b, Umbrello, KDevelop etc, etc
al work fine

Something is 'not right' with your system.

Good Luck,
Larry

Hm, I'd say you can't compare SuSE to Debian in this part, because SuSE
is closely integrated with KDE.

Ever tried to run GNOME on SuSE? It will probably suck as much as
running KDE on Debian.

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Jul 23 '05 #22

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

Oliver Kellogg wrote:
Matthias Kaeppler wrote:
[...] We had to work on an UML diagram for about 6 hours today
and unfortunately chose Umbrello to do the job, and it crashed pretty

regularly every 5-10 minutes o_O

Admitted, Umbrello has had stability problems in past versions.
Please use at least version 1.4, it's much more stable.
Version 1.4.1 (to be released together with KDE 3.4.1 in a few days)
is even better.
If you still have problems with these recent Umbrello versions,
post them to http://bugs.kde.org/ and we'll look into them.

Oliver M. Kellogg

That's good news, because I do like Umbrello. I was actually the one who
proposed it, because at a first glance it looked complete and clean. I
still think it'd be a great UML modeller, if it would become stable.

It's really really hard to find any good free modelling tools. I have
tried a handfull so far, and none made me happy. So my hope still lies
in Umbrello :)

We installed a 3.4.x version of Umbrello today on an Ubuntu Notebook.
It didn't crash once (although it had some other oddities, but hey...).

Good work. :)

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Jul 23 '05 #23

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

Haven't used whitebox so far. Maybe I'll give it a shot when I find the
time. The installer looks like the one from Fedora.

Hey, it looks EXACTLY like Fedora. That means it looks pretty good :)

What, in your opinion, are its benefits or specialties compared to other
distros? I'd especially like to know which packager it uses.

One major thing which kept me sticking to Debian is the (IMHO still
unbeaten) awesomeness of apt and all its frontends (I use aptitude).
I think the package management in Debian is probably the best part about
it, and maybe the best in the Linux world. Except Arch Linux, which uses
a very nice packager called pacman (yeah!), and an even nicer package
creation utility called ABS (you can roll your Arch packages in like 5
minutes with that tool), every other distro turned me off after only a
week of usage or so, because I hated the gnarly package management.

I especially dislike rpm and all its hairy implementations/frontends.
The worst I have ever used must be yum, the Fedora Packager. It's
actually so bad, I wonder how the devs could think this particular piece
of software would be usable on an everyday basis. It's incredibly slow,
and after only like three days of use, I already had broken
dependencies, because in Fedora you /have/ to use both the official repo
/and/ inofficial repos (which e.g. have all the mp3 related tools like
XMMS, because due to licensing issue, those are not part of the official
repos), but the inoffical ones are not compatible to each other, so you
have to be extremely careful what you want to install, and from where.
Sure, you could argue that this isn't actually a yum problem, but more a
conceptual one, but for me, it simply doesn't work.

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Jul 23 '05 #24

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

Sure, that may of course be the reason, I use Debian Sarge (the current
testing branch). However, I tried a couple of other distros, like SuSE,
RedHat, Mandrake, Arch, Fedora Core 3, and Debian testing turned out to
be a lot more stable than any of those.
In fact, the packages in Debian testing are older (and probably less
prone to bugs) than the packages in the distros mentioned above. Debian
has never tried to be bleeding edge, as opposed to most of the other big
distros, which yields a stability bonus.

Haven't used whitebox so far. Maybe I'll give it a shot when I find the
time. The installer looks like the one from Fedora.

White Box is based on the latest official Red Hat Enterprise Linux source code.

More accurately it is Red Hat Enterprise Linux with all Red Hat references removed. :-)
And it is free, legal and very stable. Enterprise-level stability I would say IMHO.

Today I saw that release 4 was released recently, and I am downloading it at this moment. :-)

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Jul 23 '05 #25

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

Hey, it looks EXACTLY like Fedora. That means it looks pretty good :)

What, in your opinion, are its benefits or specialties compared to other
distros? I'd especially like to know which packager it uses.

As I said I have been using GNU/Linux from time to time mainly as an experimentation (to
keep in touch). So please correct me where I am wrong, as far as I know Fedora is the open
source, experimental/beta Red Hat.
White Box Enterprise Linux (WBEL) is compiled from the current, stable, and latest,
official Red Hat Enterprise Linux source code with only all Red Hat references removed. It
aims for 100% binary compatibility with Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
The default (preselected) environment is Gnome but I prefer KDE. I have experienced no
crashes with it. Especially with 3.0 Respin 2 (Respin= service pack).
From the screenshots of WBEL 4 RC1 that I saw on the site, the installer is identical
with 3.0 (with only 1-2 screenshots a bit improved).
One major thing which kept me sticking to Debian is the (IMHO still
unbeaten) awesomeness of apt and all its frontends (I use aptitude).
I think the package management in Debian is probably the best part about
it, and maybe the best in the Linux world. Except Arch Linux, which uses
a very nice packager called pacman (yeah!), and an even nicer package
creation utility called ABS (you can roll your Arch packages in like 5
minutes with that tool), every other distro turned me off after only a
week of usage or so, because I hated the gnarly package management.

I do not know much about the various Linux packaging approaches, however WBEL works well
with RPMs (it gets updated seamlessly), though it was necessary (at least in 3.0) editing
the config file to change it to another ftp mirror, because the main ftp site was slow.
This is the one and only manual editing I was performing after installation.
I especially dislike rpm and all its hairy implementations/frontends.
The worst I have ever used must be yum, the Fedora Packager.

Actually under X-Windows, Up2Date is used (yum is for console only if I recall well, I
only tried it once). Up2Date is very nice and has a automatic update notification tool on
the bottom right.

Updates are released relatively frequently, whenever Red Hat releases them for their
users, WBEL releases them for WBEL users. :-)
The updates are only fixes. The approach of Red Hat (and WBEL) is one major stable release
and security fixes till the next major stable release.

It's
actually so bad, I wonder how the devs could think this particular piece
of software would be usable on an everyday basis. It's incredibly slow,
and after only like three days of use, I already had broken
dependencies, because in Fedora you /have/ to use both the official repo
/and/ inofficial repos (which e.g. have all the mp3 related tools like
XMMS, because due to licensing issue, those are not part of the official
repos), but the inoffical ones are not compatible to each other, so you
have to be extremely careful what you want to install, and from where.
Sure, you could argue that this isn't actually a yum problem, but more a
conceptual one, but for me, it simply doesn't work.

I haven't used Fedora so I do not know much of it. The only things used from Fedora are
Up2Date and Yum, because they consider them to be better than what RHEL provides!
WBEL is definitely worth to take a look if you are in the GNU/Linux domain.

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Jul 23 '05 #26

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

Larry I Smith wrote:
Matthias Kaeppler wrote:
Vyacheslav Kononenko wrote:

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:
> If KDevelop crashes as often as most other QT apps, you don't want to
> use it anyway. We had to work on an UML diagram for about 6 hours

today
> and unfortunately chose Umbrello to do the job, and it crashed pretty
> regularly every 5-10 minutes o_O
> Ctrl+S is your friend.
>
> --
> Matthias Kaeppler
So by experience with one Umbrello you make such conclusion: "crashes
as often as most other QT apps". Do you mean there are 3-5 applications
for QT? How many QT application have you been used? How many of them
crashes?

Regards,
Vyacheslav
How in heaven do you come to the conclusion I would only have used
Umbrello so far from the large set of QT apps? Even if it's only 3-5
applications, if they are major ones, that's serious enough, and for
sure a good reason to not use KDE as your desktop. I prefer stability
and usability over eye candy.

Anyway, it has happened with enough QT applications to leave that bitter
taste on my tongue. It was one reason why I changed the desktop from KDE
to Xfce and I never looked back.
One other major example is K3B, and amaroK wouldn't even start on my
system, it crashed before the GUI came up. Umbrello crashed every 10
minutes, in other words it's unusable. I noticed even Firefox and Emacs
(!), non-QT apps, crashing under the KDE desktop, that has never
happened in any other WM or Desktop I have been using.

Anyway, maybe it's just coincidence, or maybe not. QT was developed
pre-98 and has a lot of non-standard stuff in it, that already turns me
off, I'm glad they want to revise the whole library with the 4.0
release.

Wow, sorry to hear that.

I use KDE and do heavy duty development work
(SuSE Pro v9.2).

I haven't had anything crash in over two years.
Mozilla, Firefox, K3b, Umbrello, KDevelop etc, etc
al work fine

Something is 'not right' with your system.

Good Luck,
Larry

Hm, I'd say you can't compare SuSE to Debian in this part, because SuSE
is closely integrated with KDE.

Ever tried to run GNOME on SuSE? It will probably suck as much as
running KDE on Debian.

Gnome works just fine.

Good Luck,
Larry

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Jul 23 '05 #27

Ioannis Vranos wrote:

WBEL is definitely worth to take a look if you are in the GNU/Linux domain.

Here is what's new in RHEL4/WBEL4.

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Jul 23 '05 #28