I want to write HAL in C++ !

[Brian Raab]

What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

[Unforgiven]

"Brian Raab" <ka*********@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

Are you sure you want to do that, Dave?

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Unforgiven

[Mike Wahler]

"Brian Raab" <ka*********@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

HAL understands English. You can write him
(or speak to him) in English.

-Mike

[Phlip]

Brian Raab wrote:

What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

Join the NSA, and get down with the advanced AI algorithms that civilians
are not allowed to know exist.

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Phlip
http://industrialxp.org/community/bi...UserInterfaces

[Ioannis Vranos]

Brian Raab wrote:

What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

A C++ compiler.

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Ioannis Vranos

http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys

[White Wolf]

Brian Raab wrote:

What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

You need a good C++ compiler and loads of time.

--
WW aka Attila
:::
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. -- RFC 1925

[Phlip]

White Wolf wrote:

Brian Raab wrote:

What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

You need a good C++ compiler and loads of time.

HAL was implemented in photonic circuitry, so you need to start below the
compiler level...

--
Phlip
http://industrialxp.org/community/bi...UserInterfaces

[White Wolf]

Phlip wrote:

White Wolf wrote:

Brian Raab wrote:

What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

You need a good C++ compiler and loads of time.

HAL was implemented in photonic circuitry, so you need to start below the
compiler level...

I prefer gin-tonic.

--
WW aka Attila
:::
Don't believe everything you think.

[Julie]

Brian Raab wrote:

What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

C++ is not a suitable language for advanced AI such as this.

[White Wolf]

Julie wrote:

Brian Raab wrote:

What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

C++ is not a suitable language for advanced AI such as this.

Wow. Until now thought that C++ is a language in which anything can be
done. Even a new language.

--
WW aka Attila
:::
Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for.

[Ioannis Vranos]

White Wolf wrote:

Wow. Until now thought that C++ is a language in which anything can be
done. Even a new language.

I think what he/she means is that the language does not support AI
concepts directly, as C does not provide language support for OO
programming directly, for example.
Julie BTW, is there any decent language for AI these days? I have heard
about LISP, but is considered old.

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Ioannis Vranos

http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys

[puppet_sock]

ka*********@yahoo.com (Brian Raab) wrote in message news:<8d**************************@posting.google. com>...

What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

When I dream, I have a pony.
Socks

[Julie]

Ioannis Vranos wrote:

White Wolf wrote:

Wow. Until now thought that C++ is a language in which anything can be
done. Even a new language.

I think what he/she means is that the language does not support AI
concepts directly, as C does not provide language support for OO
programming directly, for example.

Julie BTW, is there any decent language for AI these days? I have heard
about LISP, but is considered old.

Not that I'm aware of, but I hardly frequent those development circles.

I was going to add to my original post that if the OP were truly serious, they
would in all reality have to develop their own (AI) language as well...

[Ioannis Vranos]

Julie wrote:

Not that I'm aware of, but I hardly frequent those development circles.

I was going to add to my original post that if the OP were truly serious, they
would in all reality have to develop their own (AI) language as well...

Actually I will disagree here. C++ is heavily used in AI projects, for
example games.

A nice AI-oriented web site:

http://ai-depot.com

--
Ioannis Vranos

http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys

[Lorantus]

Thanks.

Ioannis Vranos a écrit:

Julie wrote:

Not that I'm aware of, but I hardly frequent those development circles.

I was going to add to my original post that if the OP were truly
serious, they
would in all reality have to develop their own (AI) language as well...

Actually I will disagree here. C++ is heavily used in AI projects, for
example games.

A nice AI-oriented web site:

http://ai-depot.com

[Julie]

Ioannis Vranos wrote:

Julie wrote:

Not that I'm aware of, but I hardly frequent those development circles.

I was going to add to my original post that if the OP were truly serious, they
would in all reality have to develop their own (AI) language as well...

Actually I will disagree here. C++ is heavily used in AI projects, for
example games.

A nice AI-oriented web site:

http://ai-depot.com

--
Ioannis Vranos

http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys

Game AI != HAL, not now, not ever.

[Phlip]

Ioannis Vranos wrote:

I think what he/she means is that the language does not support AI
concepts directly, as C does not provide language support for OO
programming directly, for example.
It ain't the meat it's the motion. Until someone thinks of a good algorithm
for AI, the existing ones are equally incompatible with all programming
languages.
Julie BTW, is there any decent language for AI these days? I have heard
about LISP, but is considered old.

It's very unfortunate for our industry that LISP's promoters somehow
associated it with AI.

--
Phlip
http://industrialxp.org/community/bi...UserInterfaces

[Ioannis Vranos]

Phlip wrote:

It's very unfortunate for our industry that LISP's promoters somehow
associated it with AI.

It isn't associated?

--
Ioannis Vranos

http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys

[Attila Feher]

Phlip wrote:

Ioannis Vranos wrote:

I think what he/she means is that the language does not support AI
concepts directly, as C does not provide language support for OO
programming directly, for example.

It ain't the meat it's the motion. Until someone thinks of a good
algorithm for AI, the existing ones are equally incompatible with all
programming languages.

Going fully OT, IMHO AI is (from one POV) a special kind of pattern
matching. If enough of the pattern matches, you create an association etc.
If this match is too forgiving, you get an idiot or a genious, depending on
luck. :-)

--
Attila aka WW

[Thomas Matthews]

Brian Raab wrote:

What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

First start with English language parsing.
Search for "Eliza program" for a classic example.

This is a starting point:
#include <iostream>
#include <cstdlib>

int main(void)
{
std::cout << "HAL" << std::endl;
std::cout << "IBM" << std::endl;
return EXIT_SUCCESS;
}

Also search the web for voice recognition. Beware
that much of voice recognition uses platform specific
functionality that is not discussed in
news:comp.lang.c++.

--
Thomas Matthews

C++ newsgroup welcome message:
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C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite
C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html
alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq:
http://www.comeaucomputing.com/learn/faq/
Other sites:
http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book

[gswork]

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What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

Are you sure you want to do that, Dave?

superb answer! well done!

[Phlip]

Ioannis Vranos wrote:

It's very unfortunate for our industry that LISP's promoters somehow
associated it with AI.

It isn't associated?

By comparison, they are _still_ printing tutorials that say "FORTRAN is good
for math", and mathematicians are still using it to write fragile cruft with
run-on methods. Its only edge is it was among the first languages to feature
recursive descent parsing for arbitrarily complex math FORmulas, and its
modern incarnations can optimize well due to a lack of things programmers
need, like pointers.

So, which of the following common AI patterns does Lisp work extra well for?

- pattern matching
- neural networks
- semantic webs
- fuzzy logic
- dynamic attractors
- fractals
- expert databases
- logical inference

The answer is it once worked a tiny bit for expert databases. Things like
you tell the 'puter "the cube is on top of the brick, and the cone is on top
of the cube. Is the cone over the brick?" and the 'puter says "yes".

However, you must still type in the expert database rules. Lisp, by treating
lists of string literals as lists of string objects, once made the data
entry part of expert databases a tiny bit easier, so magazine articles
appeared saying "Lisp is good for AI", and it stuck.

--
Phlip
http://industrialxp.org/community/bi...UserInterfaces

[beliavsky]

"Phlip" <ph*******@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<Tm*****************@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om>...

Ioannis Vranos wrote:

It's very unfortunate for our industry that LISP's promoters somehow
associated it with AI.

It isn't associated?

By comparison, they are _still_ printing tutorials that say "FORTRAN is good
for math", and mathematicians are still using it to write fragile cruft with
run-on methods. Its only edge is it was among the first languages to feature
recursive descent parsing for arbitrarily complex math FORmulas, and its
modern incarnations can optimize well due to a lack of things programmers
need, like pointers.

On the subject of Fortran you are obnoxious and ignorant. It hasn't
been spelled with all upper caps ("FORTRAN") since the 1990 standard.
People who misspell it usually know nothing about current versions of
the language. The 2003 standard was just ratified, and there exist
about 10 compiler vendors for the Fortran 95 standard -- see
http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Progra...ran/Compilers/
..

Do you think libraries like LAPACK are "fragile cruft"? Why do so many
non-Fortran programmers call it to do linear algebra?

The array operations of Fortran 90 make it possible to write more
concise numerical code than in most other languages, including C and
C++.

[Phlip]

beliavsky wrote:

Do you think libraries like LAPACK are "fragile cruft"? Why do so many
non-Fortran programmers call it to do linear algebra?
No, I think the "Fortran" I have debugged, with >50 page functions, is
fragile cruft. YMMV.
The array operations of Fortran 90 make it possible to write more
concise numerical code than in most other languages, including C and
C++.

Look up "expression metatemplates".

Newbie tutorials should describe Lisp and Fortran accurately, and should not
repeat rumors. Bill Gates never said "nobody will ever need more than 640k",
Lisp is not for AI, and Fortran is not _arbitrarily_ for math.

--
Phlip
http://industrialxp.org/community/bi...UserInterfaces

[beliavsky]

"Phlip" <ph*******@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<0m******************@newssvr15.news.prodigy. com>...

Newbie tutorials should describe Lisp and Fortran accurately, and should not
repeat rumors.

Yes, and people whose knowledge of Fortran is based on a standard from
1977 or 1966 should not bash it based on outdated information. Links
to tutorials on modern Fortran (F90 and F95) are at
http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Progra...ran_90_and_95/
..

[Jacek Dziedzic]

Brian Raab wrote:

What do I need to create HAL in C++ ?

Hardware Abstraction Layer?