Hello World...

[Steve]

Hi, I am just beginning my journey into C++. I have a book here and found in
the first tutorial "HelloWorld" that I had a backward warning. After some
research into the code I typed I found that there was a standard so I guess
this book is based on old code. It didn't take long and I found what I
needed to fix it. I am using Borland BuilderX personal edition, which gave
me the warning, but I also have a copy of Borland Turbo 1.01 and this old
code worked fine. Which I expected to happen.

I would like to know, should I buy a new book that is based on the standard
to learn from? or might it be better to keep going through this book, but
knowing that there is a standard and that there may be a few warnings here
and there? ...I am just thinking becuase I have 2 programs based on old and
new ways of writing C++ that it might be a good idea to know about both for
the learning process, as it may help for debugging later.. I don't know.

Thanks in advance,
Steve.

[Victor Bazarov]

"Steve" <gi******@hotmail.com> wrote...

Hi, I am just beginning my journey into C++. I have a book here and found in the first tutorial "HelloWorld" that I had a backward warning. After some
research into the code I typed I found that there was a standard so I guess this book is based on old code. It didn't take long and I found what I
needed to fix it. I am using Borland BuilderX personal edition, which gave
me the warning, but I also have a copy of Borland Turbo 1.01 and this old
code worked fine. Which I expected to happen.

I would like to know, should I buy a new book that is based on the standard to learn from?
It's always a good idea to have a decent book.
or might it be better to keep going through this book, but
knowing that there is a standard and that there may be a few warnings here
and there?
The non-standard-compliance of the code in that book is also tainted by the
non-compliance of the compiler you're using. It's much better to know which
part of the system is not working for you. For that you need either
a completely correct compiler (hard to find) or a completely correct book
(much easier to find).
...I am just thinking becuase I have 2 programs based on old and
new ways of writing C++ that it might be a good idea to know about both for the learning process, as it may help for debugging later.. I don't know.

It might. You could always buy an older book written by somebody who knew
what they were saying, like Stroustrup and Ellis "Annotated Reference
Manual"
or one of earlier editions of "The C++ Programming Language" to see what
the language looked like before. What isn't a good idea is to buy a book
that is full of errors (even by its contemporary measures).

Victor

[Mark]

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:32:43 +0930, "Steve" <gi******@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Hi, I am just beginning my journey into C++. I have a book here and found in
the first tutorial "HelloWorld" that I had a backward warning. After some
research into the code I typed I found that there was a standard so I guess
this book is based on old code. It didn't take long and I found what I
needed to fix it. I am using Borland BuilderX personal edition, which gave
me the warning, but I also have a copy of Borland Turbo 1.01 and this old
code worked fine. Which I expected to happen.
I would like to know, should I buy a new book that is based on the standard
to learn from? or might it be better to keep going through this book, but
knowing that there is a standard and that there may be a few warnings here
and there? ...I am just thinking becuase I have 2 programs based on old and
new ways of writing C++ that it might be a good idea to know about both for
the learning process, as it may help for debugging later.. I don't know.

Thanks in advance,
Steve.

I'd recommend getting some of the 'latest' tools,etc.

Two excellent texts, both free.

C++ Annotations Version 5.1.1a Frank B. Brokken
http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cpl...cplusplus.html
Here is Bruce Eckel's on-line books: Thinking in C++ Vol 1 & 2,
which are also excellent...

http://www.mindview.net/Books

For more info.
www.aacu.org

Mark
--
[ C++ FAQ: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ ]

[Victor Bazarov]

"Mark" <ma**********@hotmail.com> wrote...

[...]

For more info.
www.aacu.org

www.accu.org

[gswork]

"Steve" <gi******@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<1090890262.299697@teuthos>...

Hi, I am just beginning my journey into C++. I have a book here and found in
the first tutorial "HelloWorld" that I had a backward warning. After some
research into the code I typed I found that there was a standard so I guess
this book is based on old code. It didn't take long and I found what I
needed to fix it. I am using Borland BuilderX personal edition, which gave
me the warning, but I also have a copy of Borland Turbo 1.01 and this old
code worked fine. Which I expected to happen.

Whilst that old Borland compiler is pretty good by early 90's
standards, and still handy for 16 bit MS-DOS compilers i would not use
it for learning C++. It misses whole areas of standard C++ and whilst
careful planning allows surprisingly portable code between old and
new, it's not for the new.

Instead take the advice to read "thinking in C++", which i rate very
highly, or peruse your local library for a C++ book that accounts for
the C++ standard language (standardised in 1998 IIRC).

[Roshan]

Would recommend "Accelerated C++" by Andrew Koenig for beginners.
A nice and slim book. Uses a very novel approach.
-Roshan
Steve wrote:

Hi, I am just beginning my journey into C++. I have a book here and found in
the first tutorial "HelloWorld" that I had a backward warning. After some
research into the code I typed I found that there was a standard so I guess
this book is based on old code. It didn't take long and I found what I
needed to fix it. I am using Borland BuilderX personal edition, which gave
me the warning, but I also have a copy of Borland Turbo 1.01 and this old
code worked fine. Which I expected to happen.

I would like to know, should I buy a new book that is based on the standard
to learn from? or might it be better to keep going through this book, but
knowing that there is a standard and that there may be a few warnings here
and there? ...I am just thinking becuase I have 2 programs based on old and
new ways of writing C++ that it might be a good idea to know about both for
the learning process, as it may help for debugging later.. I don't know.

Thanks in advance,
Steve.

[Steve]

Thanks guys.

[Bradley Bungmunch]

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:32:43 +0930, "Steve" <gi******@hotmail.com> had
a scratch and wrote:

Hi, I am just beginning my journey into C++. I have a book here and found in
the first tutorial "HelloWorld" that I had a backward warning. After some
research into the code I typed I found that there was a standard so I guess
this book is based on old code. It didn't take long and I found what I
needed to fix it. I am using Borland BuilderX personal edition, which gave
me the warning, but I also have a copy of Borland Turbo 1.01 and this old
code worked fine. Which I expected to happen.

I would like to know, should I buy a new book that is based on the standard
to learn from? or might it be better to keep going through this book, but
knowing that there is a standard and that there may be a few warnings here
and there? ...I am just thinking becuase I have 2 programs based on old and
new ways of writing C++ that it might be a good idea to know about both for
the learning process, as it may help for debugging later.. I don't know.

Thanks in advance,
Steve.

Your best bet is any book by Herb Schildt. His ability to disseminate
information to the novice is unique.
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[Aguilar, James]

"Bradley Bungmunch" <br***************@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:b2********************************@4ax.com...

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:32:43 +0930, "Steve" <gi******@hotmail.com> had
a scratch and wrote:

[snip]

You need to look at the FAQ and check out the rule about signatures being
less than or equal to four lines in length, cause yours is significantly
longer.

[Karl Heinz Buchegger]

Bradley Bungmunch wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:32:43 +0930, "Steve" <gi******@hotmail.com> had
a scratch and wrote:

Hi, I am just beginning my journey into C++. I have a book here and found in
the first tutorial "HelloWorld" that I had a backward warning. After some
research into the code I typed I found that there was a standard so I guess
this book is based on old code. It didn't take long and I found what I
needed to fix it. I am using Borland BuilderX personal edition, which gave
me the warning, but I also have a copy of Borland Turbo 1.01 and this old
code worked fine. Which I expected to happen.

I would like to know, should I buy a new book that is based on the standard
to learn from? or might it be better to keep going through this book, but
knowing that there is a standard and that there may be a few warnings here
and there? ...I am just thinking becuase I have 2 programs based on old and
new ways of writing C++ that it might be a good idea to know about both for
the learning process, as it may help for debugging later.. I don't know.

Thanks in advance,
Steve.

Your best bet is any book by Herb Schildt. His ability to disseminate
information to the novice is unique.

But you should also be aware, that Schildt's books are full of errors.
So after having worked through one of them buy a second book by a
different author and make it a sport to find all technical inaccuracies
in Schildt's books.
--
Karl Heinz Buchegger
kb******@gascad.at

[Christopher Benson-Manica]

Karl Heinz Buchegger <kb******@gascad.at> spoke thus:

But you should also be aware, that Schildt's books are full of errors.
So after having worked through one of them buy a second book by a
different author and make it a sport to find all technical inaccuracies
in Schildt's books.

You, in turn, should be aware that the post to which you replied was
posted by someone who trolled comp.lang.c for some time. Apparently
the poster is a denizen of alt.fan.karl-malden.nose or some other
grimy alt.* hole; in any case I would suggest plonking it or at least
not responding to its trolling.

--
Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cyberspace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.