sign of a value

[tarmat]

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

[Rob Williscroft]

tarmat wrote in news:jr********************************@4ax.com:

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

bool is_negative = value < 0;

Hope the answere is "silly" enough :).

Rob.
--
http://www.victim-prime.dsl.pipex.com/

[tarmat]

On 03 Dec 2003 11:56:40 GMT, Rob Williscroft
<rt*@freenet.REMOVE.co.uk> wrote:

tarmat wrote in news:jr********************************@4ax.com:

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

bool is_negative = value < 0;

Hope the answere is "silly" enough :).

Rob.

nope that's nowhere near silly enought Rob. It doesn't answer my
question either. I want to know the name of the function that returns
the sign of a value.

[Rob Williscroft]

tarmat wrote in news:r2********************************@4ax.com:

On 03 Dec 2003 11:56:40 GMT, Rob Williscroft
<rt*@freenet.REMOVE.co.uk> wrote:

tarmat wrote in news:jr********************************@4ax.com:

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

bool is_negative = value < 0;

Hope the answere is "silly" enough :).

Rob.

nope that's nowhere near silly enought Rob. It doesn't answer my
question either. I want to know the name of the function that returns
the sign of a value.

Ok

template < typename T >
bool sign_of_value( T const &value )
{
return value < 0;
}

With luck (Ok all warning's on and a decient compiler),

unsigned u = 0;
bool b = sign_of_value( u );

should produce a compile time warning.

BTW, why do you think there is a "the" function that returns the sign
of a value, assuming it were called sgn( type ) then calling it would
be sgn(x) (6 chars), compared to (x<0) (5 (or maybe 3) chars). So it
has to have a 1 char name for there to be any benefit in defining such
a thing.

Rob.
--
http://www.victim-prime.dsl.pipex.com/

[Grumble]

tarmat wrote:

On 03 Dec 2003 11:56:40 GMT, Rob Williscroft
<rt*@freenet.REMOVE.co.uk> wrote:

tarmat wrote in news:jr********************************@4ax.com:

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

bool is_negative = value < 0;

Hope the answere is "silly" enough :).

nope that's nowhere near silly enought Rob. It doesn't answer my
question either. I want to know the name of the function that returns
the sign of a value.

That would be '<' which you can read as "is smaller than".

Note: it is an operator, not a function.

Perhaps what you want is:

(value < 0) ? -1 : 1;

[Dan W.]

>template < typename T >

bool sign_of_value( T const &value )
{
return value < 0;
}

With luck (Ok all warning's on and a decient compiler),

unsigned u = 0;
bool b = sign_of_value( u );

should produce a compile time warning.

I think there may be an issue if T is float, double...
I'd almost be inclined to do this one in assembler, just test the darn
bit and be done with it... ( assuming that floats are IEEE, and
assuming 2's complement... ;-)

[Howard]

"tarmat" <ta****@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:jr********************************@4ax.com...

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

I don't think there is a standard function in C++ to do that. You can
always write one. It's pretty simple, but depends upon what you want it to
return...? If I recall my BASIC programming, it returned -1 for negative
numbers, 0 for 0, and 1 for positive numbers. (correct???) Is that what
you want? One way to get the "sign" this way is this: sign = (value ==
0 )? 0 : value/abs(value); Or if you want zero to return 1 as if it were
positive, then: sign = (value < 0) ? -1 : 1;

-Howard

[Ron Natalie]

"Howard" <al*****@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bq********@dispatch.concentric.net...

"tarmat" <ta****@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:jr********************************@4ax.com...

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

I don't think there is a standard function in C++ to do that.

C99 has signbit() in math.h

[Peter van Merkerk]

Dan W. wrote:

template < typename T >
bool sign_of_value( T const &value )
{
return value < 0;
}

With luck (Ok all warning's on and a decient compiler),

unsigned u = 0;
bool b = sign_of_value( u );

should produce a compile time warning.

I think there may be an issue if T is float, double...
I'd almost be inclined to do this one in assembler, just test the darn
bit and be done with it... ( assuming that floats are IEEE, and
assuming 2's complement... ;-)

Chances are that your compiler already generates optimal code for this
test.
--
Peter van Merkerk
peter.van.merkerk(at)dse.nl

[Rolf Magnus]

tarmat wrote:

On 03 Dec 2003 11:56:40 GMT, Rob Williscroft
<rt*@freenet.REMOVE.co.uk> wrote:

tarmat wrote in news:jr********************************@4ax.com:

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

bool is_negative = value < 0;

Hope the answere is "silly" enough :).

Rob.

nope that's nowhere near silly enought Rob. It doesn't answer my
question either. I want to know the name of the function that returns
the sign of a value.

You can write such a function yourself if you really think you need one.
Then it can have any name you like.

[Andrey Tarasevich]

tarmat wrote:

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

What is "sign of a value"? What do you want this function to return?
Characters '+' or '-'? Boolean value? Integers '-1', '0', '+1'? Clarify
your question. It is too vague the way it is now.

--
Best regards,
Andrey Tarasevich

[jeffc]

"Andrey Tarasevich" <an**************@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vs************@news.supernews.com...

tarmat wrote:

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

What is "sign of a value"? What do you want this function to return?
Characters '+' or '-'? Boolean value? Integers '-1', '0', '+1'? Clarify
your question. It is too vague the way it is now.

Are you implying there are multiple functions he can call that will return
those various types? I'm sure if a sign function were available, any of
those would be acceptable to him.

[Ludoviko++]

"Rob Williscroft" <rt*@freenet.REMOVE.co.uk> escribió en el mensaje
news:Xn**********************************@195.129. 110.204...

tarmat wrote in news:r2********************************@4ax.com:

On 03 Dec 2003 11:56:40 GMT, Rob Williscroft
<rt*@freenet.REMOVE.co.uk> wrote:

tarmat wrote in news:jr********************************@4ax.com:

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

bool is_negative = value < 0;

Hope the answere is "silly" enough :).

Rob.

nope that's nowhere near silly enought Rob. It doesn't answer my
question either. I want to know the name of the function that returns
the sign of a value.

Ok

template < typename T >
bool sign_of_value( T const &value )
{
return value < 0;
}

With luck (Ok all warning's on and a decient compiler),

unsigned u = 0;
bool b = sign_of_value( u );

should produce a compile time warning.

BTW, why do you think there is a "the" function that returns the sign
of a value, assuming it were called sgn( type ) then calling it would
be sgn(x) (6 chars), compared to (x<0) (5 (or maybe 3) chars). So it
has to have a 1 char name for there to be any benefit in defining such
a thing.

Rob.
--
http://www.victim-prime.dsl.pipex.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rolf Magnus" <ra******@t-online.de>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: sign of a value

tarmat wrote:

On 03 Dec 2003 11:56:40 GMT, Rob Williscroft
<rt*@freenet.REMOVE.co.uk> wrote:

tarmat wrote in news:jr********************************@4ax.com:

sorry for this silly little question, but whats the function to grab
the sign of a value?

bool is_negative = value < 0;

Hope the answere is "silly" enough :).

Rob.

nope that's nowhere near silly enought Rob. It doesn't answer my
question either. I want to know the name of the function that returns
the sign of a value.

You can write such a function yourself if you really think you need one.
Then it can have any name you like.

I think a better mathemathical-sense, "classic" definition for the "sign
function" should be:

template <class T>
int sign(T value)
{
if (value == 0)
return 0;
else if (value > 0)
return 1;
else
return -1;
}

IThe previous solution is fine excepto for the definition of "sign number",
which is the number divided by its positive, equivalent, value (which for
reals would be abs() ). But a function of this kind is not very reliable
because what is the sign of a complex? or the sign of a date, for example?

I use the standard definition
sgn(x) = x / abs(x)
, except for x == 0, only for plain old data types. Any other thing should
overload its own "sign" function if there is a meaning to it (I can't think
on sign of a person...).

Hope it helps.
L++