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Java programmers seem to always be whining about how confusing and
overly complex C++ appears to them. I would like to introduce an
explanation for this. Is it possible that Java programmers simply
aren't smart enough to understand C++?

This is not merely a whimsical hypothesis. Given my experience with
Java programmers --- the code they write and the conversations they
have --- Occam's Razor points to this explanation. For example,

"Oooh I'm confused about the difference between pointers, references,
and objects! How confusing!"

"Oooh operator overloading confuses me! The expression x + y is so
confusing, who knows what's happening with that? If x and y are
complex numbers, what the hell could x + y mean?"

"Oooh multiple inheritance is so confusing! Though I am both a father
and a programmer, I still find it so confusing how the same object can
be two different things! How confusing!"

"Oooh and virtual bases are so bizarre! I am a student --- myself
'the father' is the same student as myself 'the programmer' --- but
nonetheless the idea of virtual bases is absolutely confounding and
confusing to me!"

Again, Occam's Razor is a valuable tool here. In deciding among
competing hypotheses, choose the simplest one. To impartial observers
of indoctrinated Java programmers, the explanation is simple indeed.

Apr 26 '06 #1
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we***********@y ahoo.com wrote:
Again, Occam's Razor is a valuable tool here. In deciding among
competing hypotheses, choose the simplest one.


The simplest is: you are a troll.

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Apr 26 '06 #2
we***********@y ahoo.com wrote:

snipped dribble....

oh good a pissing competition!

My Ruby is better than your (Insert your fave, all time language here).

Apr 26 '06 #3
we***********@y ahoo.com wrote:

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| PLEASE DO NOT F :.:\:\:/:/:.:
| FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=:
| | '=(\ 9 9 /)='
| Thank you, | ( (_) )
| Management | /`-vvv-'\
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| | @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \
| | @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\
@x@@x@ | | |/ WW( ( ) )WW
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=============== =============== =============== =============== ==
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Apr 26 '06 #4

Ian Collins wrote:
we***********@y ahoo.com wrote:

drivel

+-------------------+ .:\:\:/:/:.
| PLEASE DO NOT F :.:\:\:/:/:.:
| FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=:
| | '=(\ 9 9 /)='
| Thank you, | ( (_) )
| Management | /`-vvv-'\
+-------------------+ / \
| | @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \
| | @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\
@x@@x@ | | |/ WW( ( ) )WW
\||||/ | | \| __\,,\ /,,/__
\||/ | | | jgs (______Y______)
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
=============== =============== =============== =============== ==
--
Ian Collins.


Wow, posted for only 15 minutes and already 3 replies including a
"don't reply to the trolls" reply.

Nice one ;)

Apr 26 '06 #5
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.lang.java. programmer.] On
2006-04-26, we***********@y ahoo.com penned:
Java programmers seem to always be whining about how confusing and
overly complex C++ appears to them.


No, they aren't.

Therefore the rest of your troll is moot.

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Apr 26 '06 #6

from
how to start a flame..
chapter 1

Apr 26 '06 #7
I agree that may be C++ programmers are smarter. Even more, I agree that
person that fully understands C++ (or Common Lisp, or PL/I) should be
very clever and more clever than average (not neccessary Java) programmer.
But this doesn't help C++ to be very bad and getting steadily worse
language.
Because computer language is tool. Because people don't study language
for the sake of it, they study them to write programs. More difficult
and complex language is, more time is wasted studying it, and less
people will understand what they are actually writing when they use this
language. I bet <1% of C++ programmers fully understand C++ language. I
am sure statistics is radically different for Java - which is MUCH
simpler and more easy to understand. I myself programmed about 10 years
on C++ and 5 years on Java, so I was able to compare them.
And I am sorry for people who achieved full understanding of C++ virtual
inheritance, STL, Templates, Functors, and so on. They uselessly wasted
huge efforts.
And writing programs on complex, poorly understood language doesn't help
to write reliable and efficient programs.
In this sense C was much better language (through clever use of
preprocessor could provide ugly programs). And I understand why C is
still so popular in Linux.

we***********@y ahoo.com wrote:
Java programmers seem to always be whining about how confusing and
overly complex C++ appears to them. I would like to introduce an
explanation for this. Is it possible that Java programmers simply
aren't smart enough to understand C++?

This is not merely a whimsical hypothesis. Given my experience with
Java programmers --- the code they write and the conversations they
have --- Occam's Razor points to this explanation. For example,

"Oooh I'm confused about the difference between pointers, references,
and objects! How confusing!"

"Oooh operator overloading confuses me! The expression x + y is so
confusing, who knows what's happening with that? If x and y are
complex numbers, what the hell could x + y mean?"

"Oooh multiple inheritance is so confusing! Though I am both a father
and a programmer, I still find it so confusing how the same object can
be two different things! How confusing!"

"Oooh and virtual bases are so bizarre! I am a student --- myself
'the father' is the same student as myself 'the programmer' --- but
nonetheless the idea of virtual bases is absolutely confounding and
confusing to me!"

Again, Occam's Razor is a valuable tool here. In deciding among
competing hypotheses, choose the simplest one. To impartial observers
of indoctrinated Java programmers, the explanation is simple indeed.

Apr 26 '06 #8
<we***********@ yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ y43g2000cwc.goo glegroups.com.. .
Java programmers seem to always be whining about how confusing and
overly complex C++ appears to them. I would like to introduce an

*snip*

LOL - welcome troll!

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LTP

:)
Apr 26 '06 #9
....
In this sense C was much better language (through clever use of
preprocessor could provide ugly programs). And I understand why C is
still so popular in Linux.

....

Now, you are begging for a fight?
Apr 27 '06 #10

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