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why is casting malloc a bad thing?

Hello,

I saw on a couple of recent posts people saying that casting the return
value of malloc is bad, like:

d=(double *) malloc(50*sizeo f(double));

why is this bad? I had always thought (perhaps mistakenly) that the
purpose of a void pointer was to cast into a legitimate date type. Is
this wrong? Why, and what is considered to be correct form?

thanks,

Brian Blais

Nov 14 '05
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Chris Torek wrote:
Someone notes that, if one follows the "comp.lang. c accepted
practice" of not casting malloc() return values, and uses most
ordinary C89/C90 compilers in their default non-warning modes
so that one gets only the required diagnostics, forgetting to
"#include <stdlib.h>" produces:
A cryptic an misleading diagnostic if it doesn't tell the programmer
that the definition of malloc is missing.
For example, if one were to write:

struct zorg *new_zorg(doubl e degree_of_eviln ess) {
struct zorg *new = malloc(sizeof *new);

new->degree = degree_of_eviln ess;
return new;
}

and feed it to the Generic C Compiler, one might get:

% cc -c zorg.c
zorg.c: In function `new_zorg':
zorg.c:4: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast


The problem is that you are using an inferior C compiler
or that you have forgotten the appropriate options:
cc -Wall -c zorg.c zorg.c: In function `new_zorg':
zorg.c:6: warning: implicit declaration of function `malloc'
zorg.c:6: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer \
without a cast

This provides an *explicit* warning
of the implicit declaration of function `malloc'.
It is certainly true that this warning leaves something to be
desired. The problem is not making a "pointer from integer",
but rather with "malloc never explicitly declared, thus implicitly
declared instead". Nonetheless, this is hardly a *new* problem:

% cc -c oops.c
oops.c:6: syntax error before `for'
% cat oops.c
/* kind of like strlen() but returns an int *./
int like_strlen(con st char *p) {
int i;

/* we just need to find the first p[i] that is '\0' */
for (i = 0; p[i] != 0; i++)
continue;
return i;
}

There is nothing wrong on line 6, nor line 5, nor 4 (blank), nor
3, nor even line 2 -- the problem is all the way back on line 1,
where a typographic error inserted a period between the * and /
meant to close the comment. There are all kinds of constructs like
this, where a compiler issues the wrong message. Programmers *need*
to learn not to trust where the machine points, in the same way
that automobile mechanics need to learn not to assume that, if the
On Board Diagnostics in an engine computer says "oxygen sensor
failure", it is not necessarily the sensor itself that failed.
(The problem can be in the wire connecting the sensor to the
computer. The sensor is a "replacemen t item" -- the ones in the
exhaust system in particular may have only a few years' lifetime
-- so the diagnostic is *usually* right, but not always.)

It is always a good idea to compare the machine's complaint against
what you (believe you) know to be the case. If the machine says
"you are making a pointer from an integer", but you know malloc()
does not return an integer, then you should ask yourself: where is
this integer? Why does the compiler believe there is an integer
here? Then, if all else fails, you could even post to comp.lang.c:

"I have this C code here, and the compiler is giving me a
message involving an `integer' when there is no integer.
Why is that?"

Ideally, you should include a complete, compilable chunk of code,
and the exact text of the error or warning message, too. But the
goal here -- besides fixing the problem -- is learning why a C
compiler might think there is an integer here, when you are certain
there is none. Then you will hear all about "implicit int function
declarations", why they are bad, that your compiler needs a tuneup
(e.g., "-Wmissing-declarations") if not a complete replacement,
and of course the inevitable cascade of "don't cast malloc in C /
compile your C code with an Ada-I-mean-C++-compiler" flamage. :-)
I know that you worked a long time on this
but it is a fallacious argument.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s...arguments.html

Your first example shows that you are using an inferior C compiler
or that you didn't know about the option that would give you
and explicit diagnostic of the true problem
or that you knew about the option and suppressed it:

Argument By Half Truth (Suppressed Evidence)

Your second example is a straw man and a bad analogy
because, unlike the first example, the compiler cannot recognize it
as an *acceptable* C program.
It probably isn't reasonable to expect a C compiler
to parse comments and diagnose typographical errors.
You can't compile your second example, but the first example:
expand zorg.c #include<stdio. h>

struct zorg {
double degree;
};

struct zorg *new_zorg(doubl e degree_of_eviln ess) {
struct zorg *new = malloc(sizeof *new);
new->degree = degree_of_eviln ess;
return new;
}

int main(int argc, char* argv[]) {
struct zorg* p = new_zorg(666.0) ;
fprintf(stdout, "%f = p->degree\n", p->degree);
free(p);
return 0;
}

compiles:
cc -Wall -std=c99 -pedantic -o zorg zorg.c zorg.c: In function `new_zorg':
zorg.c:8: warning: implicit declaration of function `malloc'
zorg.c:8: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer \
without a cast
zorg.c: In function `main':
zorg.c:16: warning: implicit declaration of function `free'

and links and runs:
./zorg

666.000000 = p->degree

just fine on my system.

Nov 14 '05 #221
"E. Robert Tisdale" wrote:
Chris Torek wrote:
.... snip ...

For example, if one were to write:

struct zorg *new_zorg(doubl e degree_of_eviln ess) {
struct zorg *new = malloc(sizeof *new);

new->degree = degree_of_eviln ess;
return new;
}

and feed it to the Generic C Compiler, one might get:

% cc -c zorg.c
zorg.c: In function `new_zorg':
zorg.c:4: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast


The problem is that you are using an inferior C compiler
or that you have forgotten the appropriate options:

.... snip ...
I know that you worked a long time on this
but it is a fallacious argument.


Chris, I trust you are making suitable notes. Has anyone got a
decent Ascii Art version of 'His Masters Voice'. The ineffable
joy of sitting at the feet of the master!

--
Chuck F (cb********@yah oo.com) (cb********@wor ldnet.att.net)
Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
<http://cbfalconer.home .att.net> USE worldnet address!
Nov 14 '05 #222
CBFalconer wrote:

http://cbfalconer.home.att.net

Hi Chuck,

I found your resume:

http://cbfalconer.home.att.net/cbf/cbfres03.htm

It says:

Education: McGill University, Honors Mathematics and Physics.

But it doesn't say when you graduated or what degree(s) you got.
It doesn't mention any formal training in computer science?
Did you retire after consulting for Otis Elevator in 2001?
Or have you simply neglected to update your resume?

Nov 14 '05 #223
In article <40************ **@jpl.nasa.gov >,
"E. Robert Tisdale" <E.************ **@jpl.nasa.gov > wrote:
CBFalconer wrote:

http://cbfalconer.home.att.net

Hi Chuck,

I found your resume:

http://cbfalconer.home.att.net/cbf/cbfres03.htm

It says:

Education: McGill University, Honors Mathematics and Physics.

But it doesn't say when you graduated or what degree(s) you got.
It doesn't mention any formal training in computer science?
Did you retire after consulting for Otis Elevator in 2001?
Or have you simply neglected to update your resume?


I think we have found ourselves a nice little stalker here?
Nov 14 '05 #224
MSG
Christian Bau <ch***********@ cbau.freeserve. co.uk> wrote in message news:<ch******* *************** ***********@slb-newsm1.svr.pol. co.uk>...
In article <40************ **@jpl.nasa.gov >,
"E. Robert Tisdale" <E.************ **@jpl.nasa.gov > wrote:
CBFalconer wrote:

http://cbfalconer.home.att.net

Hi Chuck,

I found your resume:

http://cbfalconer.home.att.net/cbf/cbfres03.htm

It says:

Education: McGill University, Honors Mathematics and Physics.

But it doesn't say when you graduated or what degree(s) you got.
It doesn't mention any formal training in computer science?
Did you retire after consulting for Otis Elevator in 2001?
Or have you simply neglected to update your resume?


I think we have found ourselves a nice little stalker here?


No, I think Mr. Tisdale is recruiting for NASA. They need a Canadian
for their one-way Mars mission.
Nov 14 '05 #225
[editing partly by me, partly by CBFalconer]
Chris Torek wrote:
[by omitting a needless cast, on] the Generic C Compiler, one might get:
zorg.c: In function `new_zorg':
zorg.c:4: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast

(which is not a very *good* diagnostic, but is at least a diagnostic.)
"E. Robert Tisdale" wrote:
The problem is that you are using an inferior C compiler
or that you have forgotten the appropriate options:... snip ...
I know that you worked a long time on this
but it is a fallacious argument.


In article <news:40******* ********@yahoo. com>
CBFalconer <cb********@wor ldnet.att.net> writes:Chris, I trust you are making suitable notes. Has anyone got a
decent Ascii Art version of 'His Masters Voice'. The ineffable
joy of sitting at the feet of the master!


Actually, he is not even a particularly good troll, in this case.
Note the attempt to specify the amount of time I "worked" on the
above (it is wrong; had I taken more time, I could have written a
much shorter article, to paraphrase Blaise Pascal). Old Usenet
hands should spot this sort of thing from miles away. :-)

More on topic, however (the only reason for a followup), ERT *does*
have a point, if not very well expressed.

Earlier, someone (I have forgotten who) quoted the old adage, "it
is a poor workman who blames his tools" -- and it is true that a
*good* workman can make do even with klunky or "inferior" tools,
such as the Generic C Compiler (which does not *have* "the appropriate
options" -- the error message's resemblance to another compiler's,
one that does have such an option, is sheer coincidence). But it
is also true that a good workman -- or "workperson ", or perhaps
even "workunit" if we wish to be non-animist as well as nonsexist
:-) -- with good tools can do a better, faster, more thorough,
less-frustrating, and/or less-tiring job than the same entity with
the poor tools.

If Mr Tisdale simply said that he has neither sympathy nor empathy
for anyone stuck with a low-quality compiler, or even that he
personally refuses to use any compiler that lacks a "warn on use
of unprototyped function" diagnostic, I would have no argument.
Indeed, I encourage those with poor tools to obtain better ones.
At the same time, however, I acknowledge that these lower-quality
tools exist and are used every day; and I argue that "not casting
malloc" is the "belt-and-suspenders" approach, if you will, to
avoiding one particular common error. If one is sure of the quality
of one's suspenders, one should feel free to go about belt-less.

As another example, I myself refuse to limit my own code to six
monocase characters in external identifiers. I find this quite
constraining, and none of the systems I have dealt with in the last
15 to 20 years have had this limit -- though I did use a few that
had 7 or 8 characters, dual-case, in the mid-1980s. But while I
choose to do this, I do not tell others that they *should*. This
is one of thousands of tradeoffs one must make every day. The
trick when making such tradeoffs is comparing costs and benefits,
and "spending" the least for the most benefit. Some even choose
to spend effort compiling what they claim to be C code with C++
compilers -- which of course makes it C++ code instead, unless they
expend quite a lot more effort to avoid the various pitfalls that
can occur here. Presumably they find some benefit that I do not.

In short (perhaps too late for that, unless I were to work a long
time on this article), good tools are a good thing -- but if you
can easily write your code so that even the not-so-good tools catch
errors, you should consider doing so. In this case, the cost is
low, perhaps even zero or negative, and the benefit varies from
none (in the "good tools" case) to significant.
--
In-Real-Life: Chris Torek, Wind River Systems
Salt Lake City, UT, USA (40°39.22'N, 111°50.29'W) +1 801 277 2603
email: forget about it http://web.torek.net/torek/index.html
Reading email is like searching for food in the garbage, thanks to spammers.
Nov 14 '05 #226
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:29:35 GMT, CBFalconer <cb********@yah oo.com>
wrote:
Chris, I trust you are making suitable notes. Has anyone got a
decent Ascii Art version of 'His Masters Voice'. The ineffable
joy of sitting at the feet of the master!


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Nov 14 '05 #227
"E. Robert Tisdale" <E.************ **@jpl.nasa.gov > wrote:
J. J. Farrell wrote:
If he casts the return value from malloc(),
he does not necessarily get a diagnostic;
some compilers give one if invoked in certain ways,
many do not give one by default,
some do not give one no matter how they are invoked.


Why should C programmers cobble their code
just to accommodate inferior C compilers?


Then again, why should C programmers cobble their code just to
accomodate inferior C++ compilers?

Richard
Nov 14 '05 #228
MSG
Severian <se******@chlam ydia-is-not-a-flower.com> wrote in message news:<fd******* *************** **********@4ax. com>...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:29:35 GMT, CBFalconer <cb********@yah oo.com>
wrote:
Chris, I trust you are making suitable notes. Has anyone got a
decent Ascii Art version of 'His Masters Voice'. The ineffable
joy of sitting at the feet of the master!


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Nov 14 '05 #229
MSG <ms*****@yahoo. com> scribbled the following:
Severian <se******@chlam ydia-is-not-a-flower.com> wrote in message news:<fd******* *************** **********@4ax. com>...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:29:35 GMT, CBFalconer <cb********@yah oo.com>
wrote:
>Chris, I trust you are making suitable notes. Has anyone got a
>decent Ascii Art version of 'His Masters Voice'. The ineffable
>joy of sitting at the feet of the master!
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;;....;;ffLLEED DttffLLGGLLLLGG EEEEEEEEKKKKKKK KEEKKEEEEEEii;; ..,,,,;;tt
....::jjGGGGDDE EffjjffLLLLffff ffGGEEEEEEEEEEK KEEKKEEKKEEfftt ;;::..::tt
..::;;jjDDDDGGE EGGiijjffGGffLL LLLLGGGGDDEEKKE EKKEEKKKKDDLLjj tt;;::::..
,,,,iiiiEEDDDDD DDDttttffLLLLLL GGLLGGDDEEEEEEK KEEDDKKEEDDffjj LLGGtt,,..
,,;;ttffDDEEDDD DEELLttjjLLLLLL GGLLDDEEEEEEEEE EDDDDKKDDLLffGG EEEEtt,,::
,,;;iiGGGGEEKKE EEEDDjjttffffLL LLDDGGDDDDEEGGD DDDEEGGLLjjDDEE KKLLii,,,,
;;iiiiLLEEDDEEE EDDDDffffffjjff LLGGGGDDGGLLGGG GDDLLGGLLEEEEKK GGjjii;;;;
iiiittttLLEEEEE EKKKKjjttffffjj ffffffjjffffLLD D;;GGKKKKKKEEDD ffttii;;;;
iiiiiittffLLGGD DEEKKDDffffffjj jjttttiittffjji ittKKKKEEEEGGLL ttiiii;;;;
iiiittiiffffjjf fjjLLDDEEDDLLtt jjjjjjttjjttffK KKKDDGGGGLLLLtt ttiiii;;;;
iiiiiittttjjffj jffffffLLDDEEEE LLffffjjttDDKKK KDDGGGGfffffftt iiii;;;;ii
iiiiiittttttjjj jjjjjffffffLLLL GGDDffffEEEEDDG GGGLLLLffjjttii ii;;iiiiii

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