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"Mastering C Pointers"....

Hey guys, I'm new here, just a simple question.

I'm learning to Program in C, and I was recommended a book called,
"Mastering C Pointers", just asking if any of you have read it,
and if it's worth the $25USD.

I'm just looking for a book on Pointers, because from what I've
read it's one of the toughest topics to understand.

thanks in advanced.

sincerely ... Andy
Nov 13 '05
388 22005
"Alan Connor" <zz****@xxx.yyy > wrote in message
news:uR******** *********@newsr ead4.news.pas.e arthlink.net...
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:32:56 GMT, Default User <fi********@boe ing.com.invalid > wrote:


Alan Connor wrote:

[Richard Heathfield]
Well, you just crossed the line with that bit of deceitful and sophomoric trolling.


You are making a huge mistake. Richard is a frequent posters, a textbook
author and a well-respected member of this newsgroup.

Roose, on the other hand, is a troll who willing dispenses erroneous
information and replies with flames when challenged.

I suggest you reverse your decision. Killfile Roose, do not do the same
with Richard.


Brian Rodenborn

Why do you assume that I lack both eyes and common sense?


No assumptions are necessary. Your posts and Richard's serve
as concrete evidence for Brian's conclusion.


Richard and a few others have done almost nothing but attack Roos since
the thread began.
They have originally attacked the incorrect information, which
is a valuable pursuit in any technical forum. Perhaps they
have later 'attacked' Roose himself, but that is only in response
to personal attacks which *he* initiated. Read the thread.


That's the only troll-like behavior I have seen here.
You sir, obviously don't know what a troll is.

Everything Roos has told me has been verified by my research on the
Net and with local docs.
The 'Net' and 'local docs' do not determine correctness of
assertions about the C language. The *only* source for such
determination is the C langauge standard, ISO 9899.

Roos has been helpful,
I found his 'advice' to be quite harmful, *especially* for the
novice, who won't know that his statements are incorrect.
much more so than Richard (although that one post
was indeed excellent)
Were I to rank the usefulness and correctness of the articles
of the regulars here, Richard would certainly occupy one of the
top ten positions, perhaps the top five.

Richard's buddies have mostly posted material that's way over my head
The fact that you don't understand something makes it useless?
Perhaps it might initially, but you know you *can* ask for further
explanation, clarification, elaboration, etc, don't you?

I've often seen a novice write that he did not understand something
an 'expert' wrote, who asked for further clarification, and *got it*,
to his satisfaction. Whereupon the expert was *thanked*, not *attacked*
as Roose does.

and
just confuses me if I let it.
Exactly, 'if you let it'. If you don't understand something, continue
to ask questions, read books, etc.. I suspect even the great Heathfield
uses this method.


At least Roos knows that a novice doesn't know the lingo yet.
And avoiding the correct technical terms only serves to perpetuate
the ignorance of the novice.


Yet you are telling me the opposite is true.
As am I.


We'll see. But trolling gets anyone killfiled for a while.
Regardless of the 'diplomacy' or accurateness of Richard's articles,
they certainly do not represent trolling. The posts by Roose and
yourself represent trolling.
I don't care
if it's being done by Dennis Ritchie.


And we don't care what you care about.

Bye now.

-Mike
Nov 13 '05 #351

"Alan Connor" <zz****@xxx.yyy > wrote in message
news:XF******** *********@newsr ead4.news.pas.e arthlink.net...
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 01:50:04 -0600, Randy Howard

<ra**********@F OOmegapathdslBA R.net> wrote:


In article <bo**********@h ercules.btinter net.com>,
do******@addres s.co.uk.invalid says...
Alan Connor wrote:

<snip>

> We'll see. But trolling gets anyone killfiled for a while. I don't care > if it's being done by Dennis Ritchie.

Ah, the irony! The exquisite irony!


*cackle*

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2reply remove FOOBAR \<,
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I really don't like watching people masturbate in public.

Killfiled for 60 days.


Oh dear, I'm sure that now Randy is in tears. I'd best hurry
over with a tissue and comfort him.

-Mike
Nov 13 '05 #352

"Roose" <no****@nospam. nospam> wrote in message
news:S%******** ********@newssv r27.news.prodig y.com...
or data (a simple int, char; an array; a struct or union; a
block of malloc'd memory) can be pointed at.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
Better: ... can be designated by an lvalue.


That's better for you. Not better for a newbie. I would love to see some
beginner ask you about C programming, and you start blathering on about
lvalues.


"Way back when", when I was first learning C, the 'discovery' of
and subsequent understanding of lvalues, was a great day and
was a *huge* help in my understanding of the language.

And this 'discovery' was 'stumbled' upon, during the quest for
a specific answer about something else. The fact that I was
actually looking for something else did not cause me to disregard
the valuable information I'd just acquired.

Just a thought....
-Mike
Nov 13 '05 #353
Richard Heathfield wrote:
Being killfiled by such people is like having your car registration
number written down in an eight-year-old car-spotter's notebook as
you pass under the trollbridge at seventy mph. You don't actually
notice the event all that much, and it certainly doesn't affect
your life, but it makes /his/ day, and that's what matters.


Heh. Good analogy!

Pretty much exactly what *I* thought when *you* killfiled me.

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Nov 13 '05 #354
Mark Gordon wrote:
Top posting, on the other hand, makes it a real pain for everyone..
No, not everyone. I have no problem with it whatsoever. My brain
has little trouble figuring out the conversation, and if the thing
is really screwed up, I can easily Go Ogle the orginals (assuming
they aren't available on the local server).

Top posting offers the *advantage* of giving me a peek at what the
poster has to say immediately. All the easier for me to determine
if the post is worth reading.

For example, most news readers (even OE) allow you to page through
messages on a group by just hitting the space bar. With bottom
posting this works, but if a message is top posted then to see the
context you have to page down though the post...
Bah. Every newsreader I've ever used had a single keystroke that
meant "go to next post".
So ALL the arguments against top posting are still valid.


Nonsense. It's more an attempt to control the environment. Good
on you if you can pull it off, but don't assume it's a mandate or
The One True Way.

It's just A Way.

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Nov 13 '05 #355

"Alan Connor" <zz****@xxx.yyy > wrote in message
news:rR******** *********@newsr ead4.news.pas.e arthlink.net...
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:50:09 -0500, Sheldon Simms <sh**********@y ahoo.com>

wrote:


On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:29:12 +0000, Alan Connor wrote:
Got really fed up with the Richard fellow. Killfiled his arrogant ass for a while.


You are of course welcome to killfile anyone you want, however you
should be aware that Richard is telling you the truth and Roose is
not. At least, he is not telling you the whole truth.


And all the people that ARE, are doing nothing but confuse me.


IOW, "Truth confuses me. Thus I reject it, in favor of untruth,
which I do understand."

-Mike
Nov 13 '05 #356
Programmer Dude wrote:
Richard Heathfield wrote:
Being killfiled by such people is like having your car registration
number written down in an eight-year-old car-spotter's notebook as
you pass under the trollbridge at seventy mph. You don't actually
notice the event all that much, and it certainly doesn't affect
your life, but it makes /his/ day, and that's what matters.


Heh. Good analogy!

Pretty much exactly what *I* thought when *you* killfiled me.


Oh, I'd forgotten about that. Well, my motivation was slightly different. I
could think of no better way to indicate the strength of my feeling on the
matter at hand. I must admit I was hoping you'd be sufficiently concerned
by it to re-examine the issue, but obviously that never happened. And, of
course, I eventually had to unplonk you because, in /technical/ discussions
about programming, I value your contribution so highly. It seems that we
are fated to be on opposite sides of non-programming discussions, though.

--
Richard Heathfield : bi****@eton.pow ernet.co.uk
"Usenet is a strange place." - Dennis M Ritchie, 29 July 1999.
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Nov 13 '05 #357
Richard Heathfield wrote:
Lew Pitcher wrote:

August Derleth wrote:
Le*********@ td.com (Lew Pitcher) wrote in message
news:<3f**** ***********@new s21.on.aibn.com >...

<snip>
Those old machines were rather interesting, especially where the
designers kind of knew what they really wanted but had to work around
the hardware to get something close.


Funny thing is, those "old" machines are still cranking out the data.

Surely you mean "cranking /in/ the data"?

Data is (or are!) what you put into a computer. What it cranks out is
information. Well, that's the general idea, anyway.


So, what name do you give to the results that come out of one computer to go
into another computer?

Let me guess: "a file".

<grin>

From "Websters New Dictionary and Thesaurus", (c) 1990

data n pl (now often with sing verb) facts, statistics, or information
either historical or derived by calculation or experimentation .

It seems that "data" is another word for "informatio n", meaning that both of
us are correct: data goes in and information (aka data) comes out.
--
Lew Pitcher

Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
Registered Linux User #112576 (http://counter.li.org/)
Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing.

Nov 13 '05 #358
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:59:07 +0000, Alan Connor wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 01:18:34 -0600, Randy Howard <ra**********@F OOmegapathdslBA R.net> wrote:


In article <%Q************ *******@newssvr 21.news.prodigy .com>,
no****@nospam.n ospam says...
Chris, I enjoyed reading your post and there is definitely interesting
information here. But I would contend that if someone doesn't yet have a
good understanding of pointers, he won't have the foggiest idea what you're
talking about. : )


Roose, if you want to be a moderator of a newsgroup, why do you not go
start one and see how many sheep wish to join your flock?


That's completely unfair. You could just as well paint Richard with the
same brush.

This is transparent character assassination. Do you think we are stupid?


Stupid is an understatement. The odds that two imbeciles would discover
one another on c.l.c are so great, that I think it much more likely that
"Alan Connor" is an invention of "Roose"!
Nov 13 '05 #359
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:15:12 GMT, Jim Showalter <ji***********@ hotmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:59:07 +0000, Alan Connor wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 01:18:34 -0600, Randy Howard <ra**********@F OOmegapathdslBA R.net> wrote:


In article <%Q************ *******@newssvr 21.news.prodigy .com>,
no****@nospam.n ospam says...
Chris, I enjoyed reading your post and there is definitely interesting
information here. But I would contend that if someone doesn't yet have a
good understanding of pointers, he won't have the foggiest idea what you're
talking about. : )

Roose, if you want to be a moderator of a newsgroup, why do you not go
start one and see how many sheep wish to join your flock?


That's completely unfair. You could just as well paint Richard with the
same brush.

This is transparent character assassination. Do you think we are stupid?


Stupid is an understatement. The odds that two imbeciles would discover
one another on c.l.c are so great, that I think it much more likely that
"Alan Connor" is an invention of "Roose"!


I'm happy for you. Now shut the fuck up and get the hell out of my life
you stupid punk.

killfiled for 90 days. The other post goes unread.

--
Alan C this post ends with w
q
Nov 13 '05 #360

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