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do serious programmers have a life?

Excluding the factors of the brain capability, i.e I am not asking
about this factor, if you are a single, aside from enjoying coding or
debugging, how do you make time to eat properly, i.e healthily w/o
spending big bucks at special healthy food places and also take care of
life's daily chores w/o feeling like a robot. Any time for social
activites with people other than programmers?

Is feeling like a robot a typical description of a programmer's life?

Sep 23 '05 #1
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* am**********@ya hoo.com:
Excluding the factors of the brain capability, i.e I am not asking
about this factor, if you are a single, aside from enjoying coding or
debugging, how do you make time to eat properly, i.e healthily w/o
spending big bucks at special healthy food places and also take care of
life's daily chores w/o feeling like a robot. Any time for social
activites with people other than programmers?

Is feeling like a robot a typical description of a programmer's life?


Your question is off-topic in this group, but try [comp.programmin g].

For convenience I've cross-posted there, and set follow-up there.

XFUT: [comp.programmin g].

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Sep 23 '05 #2
<am**********@y ahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g14g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
Excluding the factors of the brain capability, i.e I am not asking
about this factor, if you are a single, aside from enjoying coding or
debugging, how do you make time to eat properly, i.e healthily w/o
spending big bucks at special healthy food places and also take care of
life's daily chores w/o feeling like a robot.
Same way someone in any other profession does. Why do you feel
that a programmer must spend all his time programming?
Any time for social
activites with people other than programmers?
Certainly.

Is feeling like a robot a typical description of a programmer's life?


Not from where I'm sitting.

-Mike
Sep 23 '05 #3
> Is feeling like a robot a typical description of a programmer's life?

No, not really as it's just means to an end.. if working for
interesting things the work is a lot of fun. :)

Sep 23 '05 #4
am**********@ya hoo.com wrote:

Is feeling like a robot a typical description of a programmer's life?


Not at all.
It is more like an artist or a scientific discoverer. You know, the
"to boldly go where no man has gone before" thing.

--
Karl Heinz Buchegger
kb******@gascad .at
Sep 23 '05 #5
> Is feeling like a robot a typical description of a programmer's life?

Nopes; Not from where i see it.

Its like you are doing something in art and then that art is being
verified against and system which has definite rules...

In terms of Fashion designers, it has to be creative, innovative and
still "Wearable". .. with so much of creative challenges, life just
cannot be like a robot... just cant be.

~M

Sep 23 '05 #6
amanda992004 wrote:
Excluding the factors of the brain capability, i.e I am not asking
about this factor, if you are a single, aside from enjoying coding or
debugging, how do you make time to eat properly, i.e healthily w/o
spending big bucks at special healthy food places and also take care of
life's daily chores w/o feeling like a robot. Any time for social
activites with people other than programmers?

Is feeling like a robot a typical description of a programmer's life?


How many hours do you work?

The myth that programmers can or should work more than 8 hours a day is
tragic, and is responsible for an incredible amount of lost productivity,
bugs, etc. (But heck, at least we don't cut off the wrong limb like
overworked doctors do...)

When you work, as you get tired, you cross a point where you are not adding
value but removing value from a program. Go home.

One pseudoscientifi c way to refer to this situation, popular these days
among technocrats, is that programming is "left-brained" and having a life
is "right brained". That's not accurate - all activities use both physical
sides of your brain - but it works adequately as a parable. Exercising your
right brain allows your left to rest and recharge.

Programmers should go home on time and have a life.

--
Phlip
http://www.greencheese.org/ZeekLand <-- NOT a blog!!!
Sep 23 '05 #7
I am not a,I am not a,I am not a,I am not a ,
I am not a ,I am not a , (BANG) Thank you.
robot.

<am**********@y ahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g14g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
Excluding the factors of the brain capability, i.e I am not asking
about this factor, if you are a single, aside from enjoying coding or
debugging, how do you make time to eat properly, i.e healthily w/o
spending big bucks at special healthy food places and also take care of
life's daily chores w/o feeling like a robot. Any time for social
activites with people other than programmers?

Is feeling like a robot a typical description of a programmer's life?

Sep 23 '05 #8

"Phlip" <ph******@yahoo .com> wrote in message
news:CI******** *******@newssvr 23.news.prodigy .net...
amanda992004 wrote:
Excluding the factors of the brain capability, i.e I am not asking
about this factor, if you are a single, aside from enjoying coding or
debugging, how do you make time to eat properly, i.e healthily w/o
spending big bucks at special healthy food places and also take care of
life's daily chores w/o feeling like a robot. Any time for social
activites with people other than programmers?

Is feeling like a robot a typical description of a programmer's life?
How many hours do you work?

The myth that programmers can or should work more than 8 hours a day is
tragic, and is responsible for an incredible amount of lost productivity,
bugs, etc. (But heck, at least we don't cut off the wrong limb like
overworked doctors do...)


I don't agree with that... many times I have stayed up late at night and
when I "get up" in the morning all my code has been written ;) and it works
usually ;)

When you work, as you get tired, you cross a point where you are not
adding value but removing value from a program. Go home.

Yeah, but what point is that? If you don't work enough you tend not be
productive enough because you are not involved in the coding enough... like
if you try to only code 1 hr a day or something on a complicated project
then on vacation for the rest of the day.
One pseudoscientifi c way to refer to this situation, popular these days
among technocrats, is that programming is "left-brained" and having a life
is "right brained". That's not accurate - all activities use both physical
sides of your brain - but it works adequately as a parable. Exercising
your right brain allows your left to rest and recharge.

Programmers should go home on time and have a life.
Well, tell that to their bosses ;)

--
Phlip
http://www.greencheese.org/ZeekLand <-- NOT a blog!!!

Sep 23 '05 #9
Jon Slaughter wrote:
I don't agree with that... many times I have stayed up late at night and
when I "get up" in the morning all my code has been written ;) and it
works usually ;)
I see the ;)s; the word to the newbies is "heroism is not sustainable". The
occassional inspiration-driven all-nighter is mostly harmless.

The original poster reported "feeling like a robot", which is a clear sign
of sleep deprivation.

Fresh thinkers can spot the latent abstractions in their code, express
these, and achieve the "Open Closed Principle", where code is easy to extend
and hard to break. Sleepy thinkers don't spot these abstractions, and make
the same high-risk edits over and over again to add features.
When you work, as you get tired, you cross a point where you are not
adding value but removing value from a program. Go home. Yeah, but what point is that? If you don't work enough you tend not be
productive enough because you are not involved in the coding enough...
like if you try to only code 1 hr a day or something on a complicated
project then on vacation for the rest of the day.


?

If your boss doesn't mind, that's still lower risk than chronic overtime.
With your system the schedule will also go long, but at least bugs won't
accumulate.
Programmers should go home on time and have a life.


Well, tell that to their bosses ;)


Uh, there are serious movements afoot to do so. The "EAspouse" blog
resonated with a lot of programmers, even outside the game industry.
Enforcing overtime (even via the subtle channels of rewarding chronic
overtimers without actually setting a policy) is immoral, almost illegal,
unethical, and very bad for the technology.

Some bosses get that. The rest will learn it, either from their own
programmers, or from the competition.

--
Phlip
http://www.greencheese.org/ZeekLand <-- NOT a blog!!!
Sep 23 '05 #10

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