Consecutive GUID Generation in DotNet Framework

sloan

Current Framework 2.0/3.0.

...

In Sql Server, there is a way to generate consecutive guid's.
newsequentialid.

Is there a way to reproduce this type of consecutive guid's in the
framework.

I found some info about uuidgen , but that seems like a command line prompt
tool, not a class library.

I'd like to be able to throw an int value (N) at it, and it return N
consecutive guid's.
.........
Here is a test stored procedure I wrote to show you what I'm talking about.


IF EXISTS (SELECT * FROM sys.objects WHERE object_id =
OBJECT_ID(N'[dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange]') AND type in (N'P',
N'PC'))

DROP PROCEDURE [dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange]

GO

CREATE PROCEDURE [dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange] (

@newUUIDCount int --return

)

AS

SET NOCOUNT ON

declare @t table ( dummyid int , entryid int identity(1,1) , uuid
uniqueidentifier default newsequentialid() )

insert into @t ( dummyid ) select top (@newUUIDCount) 0 from dbo.sysobjects
so with (nolock)

select entryid , uuid from @t

SET NOCOUNT OFF

GO



/*

--START TEST

set nocount ON

Create Table #HolderTable (entryid int , uuid uniqueidentifier )

declare @NewUUIDCount int

select @NewUUIDCount = 20

INSERT INTO #HolderTable EXEC dbo.uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange
@NewUUIDCount

select * from #HolderTable

DROP Table #HolderTable

--END TEST CODE

*/

Sep 5 '08 #1

John Saunders

System.Guid.NewGuid()

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Sep 5 '08 #2

Patrice

Just use whatever constructor best fit your needs :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...guid.guid.aspx

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Patrice

"sloan" <sl***@ipass.neta écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
uf**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Current Framework 2.0/3.0.

..

In Sql Server, there is a way to generate consecutive guid's.
newsequentialid.

Is there a way to reproduce this type of consecutive guid's in the
framework.

I found some info about uuidgen , but that seems like a command line
prompt tool, not a class library.

I'd like to be able to throw an int value (N) at it, and it return N
consecutive guid's.
........
Here is a test stored procedure I wrote to show you what I'm talking
about.


IF EXISTS (SELECT * FROM sys.objects WHERE object_id =
OBJECT_ID(N'[dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange]') AND type in (N'P',
N'PC'))

DROP PROCEDURE [dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange]

GO

CREATE PROCEDURE [dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange] (

@newUUIDCount int --return

)

AS

SET NOCOUNT ON

declare @t table ( dummyid int , entryid int identity(1,1) , uuid
uniqueidentifier default newsequentialid() )

insert into @t ( dummyid ) select top (@newUUIDCount) 0 from
dbo.sysobjects so with (nolock)

select entryid , uuid from @t

SET NOCOUNT OFF

GO



/*

--START TEST

set nocount ON

Create Table #HolderTable (entryid int , uuid uniqueidentifier )

declare @NewUUIDCount int

select @NewUUIDCount = 20

INSERT INTO #HolderTable EXEC dbo.uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange
@NewUUIDCount

select * from #HolderTable

DROP Table #HolderTable

--END TEST CODE

*/

Sep 5 '08 #3

=?Utf-8?B?RmFtaWx5IFRyZWUgTWlrZQ==?=

I don't see a way to do this with the System.Guid class. newsequentialid was
introduced to provide some optimization in SQL, but that was not part of the
intent of GUIDs. GUIDs are somewhat random, and newsequentialid does away
with the randomness.
"sloan" wrote:

Current Framework 2.0/3.0.

...

In Sql Server, there is a way to generate consecutive guid's.
newsequentialid.

Is there a way to reproduce this type of consecutive guid's in the
framework.

I found some info about uuidgen , but that seems like a command line prompt
tool, not a class library.

I'd like to be able to throw an int value (N) at it, and it return N
consecutive guid's.
.........
Here is a test stored procedure I wrote to show you what I'm talking about.


IF EXISTS (SELECT * FROM sys.objects WHERE object_id =
OBJECT_ID(N'[dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange]') AND type in (N'P',
N'PC'))

DROP PROCEDURE [dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange]

GO

CREATE PROCEDURE [dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange] (

@newUUIDCount int --return

)

AS

SET NOCOUNT ON

declare @t table ( dummyid int , entryid int identity(1,1) , uuid
uniqueidentifier default newsequentialid() )

insert into @t ( dummyid ) select top (@newUUIDCount) 0 from dbo.sysobjects
so with (nolock)

select entryid , uuid from @t

SET NOCOUNT OFF

GO



/*

--START TEST

set nocount ON

Create Table #HolderTable (entryid int , uuid uniqueidentifier )

declare @NewUUIDCount int

select @NewUUIDCount = 20

INSERT INTO #HolderTable EXEC dbo.uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange
@NewUUIDCount

select * from #HolderTable

DROP Table #HolderTable

--END TEST CODE

*/

Sep 5 '08 #4

sloan

Mike,

Thanks for actually reading my post.

Yeah, I don't see a way to do it with System.Guid. ( I was already aware of
that class' existence ).

I may use my usp and push some sequential guid's up to the business layer,
since I'll already be in the database.
Or delay their creation until I'm pushing some data back into the tsql.

Oh well, I thought I'd ask.


"Family Tree Mike" <Fa************@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in
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>I don't see a way to do this with the System.Guid class. newsequentialid
was
introduced to provide some optimization in SQL, but that was not part of
the
intent of GUIDs. GUIDs are somewhat random, and newsequentialid does away
with the randomness.
"sloan" wrote:

>Current Framework 2.0/3.0.

...

In Sql Server, there is a way to generate consecutive guid's.
newsequentialid.

Is there a way to reproduce this type of consecutive guid's in the
framework.

I found some info about uuidgen , but that seems like a command line
prompt
tool, not a class library.

I'd like to be able to throw an int value (N) at it, and it return N
consecutive guid's.
.........
Here is a test stored procedure I wrote to show you what I'm talking
about.


IF EXISTS (SELECT * FROM sys.objects WHERE object_id =
OBJECT_ID(N'[dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange]') AND type in (N'P',
N'PC'))

DROP PROCEDURE [dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange]

GO

CREATE PROCEDURE [dbo].[uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange] (

@newUUIDCount int --return

)

AS

SET NOCOUNT ON

declare @t table ( dummyid int , entryid int identity(1,1) , uuid
uniqueidentifier default newsequentialid() )

insert into @t ( dummyid ) select top (@newUUIDCount) 0 from
dbo.sysobjects
so with (nolock)

select entryid , uuid from @t

SET NOCOUNT OFF

GO



/*

--START TEST

set nocount ON

Create Table #HolderTable (entryid int , uuid uniqueidentifier )

declare @NewUUIDCount int

select @NewUUIDCount = 20

INSERT INTO #HolderTable EXEC dbo.uspNewSequentialUUIDCreateRange
@NewUUIDCount

select * from #HolderTable

DROP Table #HolderTable

--END TEST CODE

*/

Sep 5 '08 #5

John Saunders

I don't understand - why do you need them to be sequential? Is it not enough
that each one is unique?
--
John Saunders | MVP - Connected System Developer

Sep 5 '08 #6

Anthony Jones

"John Saunders" <no@dont.do.that.comwrote in message
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>I don't understand - why do you need them to be sequential? Is it not
enough that each one is unique?

If you are using them as a unique or primary key in a database such a SQL
server their highly random nature makes them less than desirable. Hence SQL
server provides the newsequentialid function which generates a form of Guid
which more predictable and when compared each new id is than the previous.
This increases slightly the risk of collision but since the scope of use is
so narrow its beyond worrying about and yet provides a good basis for a
clustered key.

--
Anthony Jones - MVP ASP/ASP.NET

Sep 5 '08 #7

William Vaughn \(MVP\)

There are really good reasons to use a unique, sequential PK--most of the
reasons have to do with how the index pages are managed and index
fragmentation. While the NEWSEQUENTIALID is _UNIQUE_ it is not globally
unique unless the system has a NIC card (it uses the MAC address to generate
the uniqueness) so there is NO problem with concurrency in any case.

I quote from the doc: "Each GUID generated by using NEWSEQUENTIALID() is
unique on that computer. GUIDs generated by using NEWSEQUENTIALID() are
unique across multiple computers only if the source computer has a network
card."

hth

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President and Founder Beta V Corporation
Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
Microsoft MVP
(425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________

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"John Saunders" <no@dont.do.that.comwrote in message
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>>I don't understand - why do you need them to be sequential? Is it not
enough that each one is unique?

If you are using them as a unique or primary key in a database such a SQL
server their highly random nature makes them less than desirable. Hence
SQL server provides the newsequentialid function which generates a form of
Guid which more predictable and when compared each new id is than the
previous. This increases slightly the risk of collision but since the
scope of use is so narrow its beyond worrying about and yet provides a
good basis for a clustered key.

--
Anthony Jones - MVP ASP/ASP.NET

Sep 5 '08 #8

sloan

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!

That's for explaining it, so I didn't have to. I'm worn out this week.

.....................

And sometimes we build our relationships OUTSIDE of the database, and shoot
them in via xml.
And we use a surrogate key......and with set based inserts......a
consecutive guid would be beneficial.

We have been relying on the newsequentialid (as the default value for the
uniqueidentifier primary key), but I was going to experiment with creating
the surrogate key outside of the database and pushing it in instead.

..............

This was experimentation stuff. And trying to figure out if having them
generated outside of the db provided any benefit.

One of the biggest wait stats we have is
PAGELATCH_EX.

I'm not a dba, I'm not trying to experiment to see if the "outside
sequential guid" creation might help.

Maybe someone can comment on the

PAGELATCH_EX ... and if I'm barking up the wrong tree or not.


PAGELATCH_EX

True
Occurs when a task is waiting for a latch for a buffer that is not in
an I/O request. The latch request is in Exclusive mode.

Contention can be caused by issues other than IO or memory
performance, for example, heavy concurrent inserts into the same index range
can cause this kind of contention. If many inserts must be added on the same
page, they are serialized using the latch. Lots of inserts into the same
range can also cause page splits in the index which holds onto the latch
while allocating a new page (this can take time). Any read accesses to the
same range as the inserts would also conflict on the latches. The solution
in these cases is to distribute the inserts using a more appropriate index.


"Anthony Jones" <An***********@yadayadayada.comwrote in message
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"John Saunders" <no@dont.do.that.comwrote in message
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>>I don't understand - why do you need them to be sequential? Is it not
enough that each one is unique?

If you are using them as a unique or primary key in a database such a SQL
server their highly random nature makes them less than desirable. Hence
SQL server provides the newsequentialid function which generates a form of
Guid which more predictable and when compared each new id is than the
previous. This increases slightly the risk of collision but since the
scope of use is so narrow its beyond worrying about and yet provides a
good basis for a clustered key.

--
Anthony Jones - MVP ASP/ASP.NET

Sep 5 '08 #9

darrel

If you are using them as a unique or primary key in a database such a SQL

server their highly random nature makes them less than desirable. Hence
SQL server provides the newsequentialid function which generates a form of
Guid

Why/when would that be preferable over just using an incremental numeric ID
field?

-Darrel

Sep 5 '08 #10

sloan

When you need to merge N number of databases.
Yes, there are "identity" workarounds, but if you ever need to merge massive
databases, using GUID's makes it easier.
Replicating IDENTITY's is a big headache as well.


"darrel" <no*****@notreal.comwrote in message
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>If you are using them as a unique or primary key in a database such a SQL
server their highly random nature makes them less than desirable. Hence
SQL server provides the newsequentialid function which generates a form
of Guid

Why/when would that be preferable over just using an incremental numeric
ID field?

-Darrel

Sep 5 '08 #11

William Vaughn \(MVP\)

Using an Identity coupled with a DB-specific column value as a PK would
solve this issue.

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__________________________________________________ ________________________
William R. Vaughn
President and Founder Beta V Corporation
Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
Microsoft MVP
(425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________

"darrel" <no*****@notreal.comwrote in message
news:O3**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>If you are using them as a unique or primary key in a database such a SQL
server their highly random nature makes them less than desirable. Hence
SQL server provides the newsequentialid function which generates a form
of Guid

Why/when would that be preferable over just using an incremental numeric
ID field?

-Darrel

Sep 5 '08 #12

darrel

When you need to merge N number of databases.

Yes, there are "identity" workarounds, but if you ever need to merge
massive databases, using GUID's makes it easier.

Ah! Yes, that makes sense.

-Darrel

Sep 5 '08 #13

Anthony Jones

"William Vaughn (MVP)" <bi****@NoSpamBetav.comwrote in message
news:un**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Using an Identity coupled with a DB-specific column value as a PK would
solve this issue.

A bit of a pain to set up and not as convienent to consume in C#.

--
Anthony Jones - MVP ASP/ASP.NET

Sep 6 '08 #14

Damien

On Sep 5, 4:37*pm, "sloan" <sl...@ipass.netwrote:

Current Framework 2.0/3.0.

..

In Sql Server, there is a way to generate consecutive guid's.
newsequentialid.

Is there a way to reproduce this type of consecutive guid's in the
framework.

I found some info about uuidgen , but that seems like a command line prompt
tool, not a class library.

I'd like to be able to throw an int value (N) at it, and it return N
consecutive guid's.

Hi sloan,

I don't think anyone's given you a straight answer - NewSequentialID
in SQL Server is essentially just exposing UuidCreateSequential from
rpcrt4.dll. You should be able to find the signature on PInvoke.net

Damien

Sep 8 '08 #15

sloan

Thanks for the straight answer.........!


"Damien" <Da*******************@hotmail.comwrote in message
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On Sep 5, 4:37 pm, "sloan" <sl...@ipass.netwrote:

Current Framework 2.0/3.0.

..

In Sql Server, there is a way to generate consecutive guid's.
newsequentialid.

Is there a way to reproduce this type of consecutive guid's in the
framework.

I found some info about uuidgen , but that seems like a command line
prompt
tool, not a class library.

I'd like to be able to throw an int value (N) at it, and it return N
consecutive guid's.

Hi sloan,

I don't think anyone's given you a straight answer - NewSequentialID
in SQL Server is essentially just exposing UuidCreateSequential from
rpcrt4.dll. You should be able to find the signature on PInvoke.net

Damien

Sep 8 '08 #16

sloan

Just to follow up, here is the import and sample C# code:

http://www.pinvoke.net/default.aspx/...equential.html

Thanks again Damien.........

"Damien" <Da*******************@hotmail.comwrote in message
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On Sep 5, 4:37 pm, "sloan" <sl...@ipass.netwrote:

Current Framework 2.0/3.0.

..

In Sql Server, there is a way to generate consecutive guid's.
newsequentialid.

Is there a way to reproduce this type of consecutive guid's in the
framework.

I found some info about uuidgen , but that seems like a command line
prompt
tool, not a class library.

I'd like to be able to throw an int value (N) at it, and it return N
consecutive guid's.

Hi sloan,

I don't think anyone's given you a straight answer - NewSequentialID
in SQL Server is essentially just exposing UuidCreateSequential from
rpcrt4.dll. You should be able to find the signature on PInvoke.net

Damien

Sep 8 '08 #17