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someone fill me in - VS Express Editions

http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of
Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this
with intellisense... which, well, makes me want to jump up and down :).
However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects
and used visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd
say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is fine with me,
but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middle of a
scripting project right now and I'm using notepad++. Anyone care to share
the bottom line on these express editions?
Aug 26 '08 #1
21 1079
re:
!1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of Visual Studio?

Here's the differences :

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa700921.aspx


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"James" <no***@nowhere.comwrote in message news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this with intellisense... which, well, makes me
want to jump up and down :). However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects and used visual
studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is
fine with me, but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middle of a scripting project right now and I'm using
notepad++. Anyone care to share the bottom line on these express editions?

Aug 26 '08 #2
On Aug 26, 2:27*pm, "Juan T. Llibre" <nomailrepl...@nowhere.com>
wrote:
re:
!1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version ofVisual Studio?

Here's the differences :

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa700921.aspx

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq :http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en espa˝ol :http://asp.net.do/foros/
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"James" <no...@nowhere.comwrote in messagenews:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl. ..
http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/
I've just seen the ad and the download page.
1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of Visual Studio?
2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?
I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this with intellisense... which, well, makes me
want to jump up and down :). However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects and used visual
studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is
fine with me, but what else don't you get?
I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middleof a scripting project right now and I'm using
notepad++. Anyone care to share the bottom line on these express editions?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
something i remember from using express editions was there are no
printing functions.
Aug 26 '08 #3
You might also find some limitations with 3rd party tools. I use VWD Express
and cannot use reports from a certain 3rd party company. This information is
not going to be documented specifically in the Microsoft web sites.
Aug 26 '08 #4
On Aug 26, 2:18 pm, "James" <no...@nowhere.comwrote:
http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of
Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this
with intellisense... which, well, makes me want to jump up and down :).
However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects
and used visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd
say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is fine with me,
but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middle of a
scripting project right now and I'm using notepad++. Anyone care to share
the bottom line on these express editions?

They have different license agreements which you may want to look
into, but essentially it boils down to: Express editions are idea for:
students, hobbyist, special case development scenarios (XNA Game
Studio is the only example of this). Professional and Enterprise
editions are going to be appropriate (and the only legal option) for
most Microsoft development scenarios.
Aug 26 '08 #5
On Aug 26, 3:41 pm, JDeats <Jeremy.De...@gmail.comwrote:
Studio is the only example of this). Professional and Enterprise
editions are going to be appropriate (and the only legal option) for
most Microsoft development scenarios.
What do you mean by "the only legal option")? There are no legal
restrictions on any programs you create with the Express editions.
You can sell them, rent them, or give them away at your discretion.

Chris
Aug 26 '08 #6
On Aug 26, 3:46 pm, Chris Dunaway <dunaw...@gmail.comwrote:
On Aug 26, 3:41 pm, JDeats <Jeremy.De...@gmail.comwrote:
Studio is the only example of this). Professional and Enterprise
editions are going to be appropriate (and the only legal option) for
most Microsoft development scenarios.

What do you mean by "the only legal option")? There are no legal
restrictions on any programs you create with the Express editions.
You can sell them, rent them, or give them away at your discretion.

Chris
There have been cases were third-party component developers got into
legal trouble with Microsoft by trying to support Visual C# Express,
apparently Microsoft has a pretty strict policy on allowing third-
party controls not being allowed (see reference on testdriven.net
below). Witht he ability to only connect to SQL Server Express edition
and crippled debugging features, Express editions are a poor choice
for enterprise development because of their lack of integration
features and probably a poor choice for most professional development
scenarios in general. When I said "the only legal option" I was
refering to steps a developer might take to circumvent these
limitations to make the product more featured which would put them in
violation of the license agreement (see testdriven.net case).

I'm not aware of any legal constraint that would stop someone from
selling their Visual C# Express creations or even using Visual C#
Express for Professional I just don't see it being practical in the
later

Reference:
http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archi...riven-net.aspx


Aug 26 '08 #7
JDeats,

You essentially don't know what you are talking about.

Kerry Moorman
"JDeats" wrote:
On Aug 26, 3:46 pm, Chris Dunaway <dunaw...@gmail.comwrote:
On Aug 26, 3:41 pm, JDeats <Jeremy.De...@gmail.comwrote:
Studio is the only example of this). Professional and Enterprise
editions are going to be appropriate (and the only legal option) for
most Microsoft development scenarios.
What do you mean by "the only legal option")? There are no legal
restrictions on any programs you create with the Express editions.
You can sell them, rent them, or give them away at your discretion.

Chris

There have been cases were third-party component developers got into
legal trouble with Microsoft by trying to support Visual C# Express,
apparently Microsoft has a pretty strict policy on allowing third-
party controls not being allowed (see reference on testdriven.net
below). Witht he ability to only connect to SQL Server Express edition
and crippled debugging features, Express editions are a poor choice
for enterprise development because of their lack of integration
features and probably a poor choice for most professional development
scenarios in general. When I said "the only legal option" I was
refering to steps a developer might take to circumvent these
limitations to make the product more featured which would put them in
violation of the license agreement (see testdriven.net case).

I'm not aware of any legal constraint that would stop someone from
selling their Visual C# Express creations or even using Visual C#
Express for Professional I just don't see it being practical in the
later

Reference:
http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archi...riven-net.aspx


Aug 26 '08 #8
That's rather rude and uncalled for now isn't it.

Jeremy

Aug 27 '08 #9
In regard to the question "Can you install multiple express editions
on the same system", the answer is Yes.
Aug 27 '08 #10
re:
!You might also find some limitations with 3rd party tools

Not "some", but "all".

There's *no* support for addins in the Express editions.
The EULA clearly says so.

re:
!This information is not going to be documented specifically in the Microsoft web sites

Again, the Express Editions' EULA clearly says so.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en espa˝ol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Keith G Hicks" <kr*@comcast.netwrote in message news:O2**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
You might also find some limitations with 3rd party tools. I use VWD Express
and cannot use reports from a certain 3rd party company. This information is
not going to be documented specifically in the Microsoft web sites.


Aug 27 '08 #11
well, it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but
my exitement is gone after downloading, installing, and seeing no support
for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files. Thats what I was looking
for.

bummer.

thanks for all the input anyway!

"James" <no***@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of
Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support
this with intellisense... which, well, makes me want to jump up and down
:). However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net
projects and used visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to
guess I'd say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is fine
with me, but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middle of
a scripting project right now and I'm using notepad++. Anyone care to
share the bottom line on these express editions?

Aug 27 '08 #12
re:
!it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but my exitement is gone
!after downloading, installing, and seeing no support for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files.

Why would you think that a web development tool would have support for WSH files ?

re:
!Thats what I was looking for

That's what you were *mistakenly* looking for.
Web development has nothing to do with WSH.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en espa˝ol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"James" <no***@nowhere.comwrote in message news:e7**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
well, it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but my exitement is gone after downloading,
installing, and seeing no support for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files. Thats what I was looking for.

bummer.

thanks for all the input anyway!

"James" <no***@nowhere.comwrote in message news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this with intellisense... which, well, makes
me want to jump up and down :). However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects and used
visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd say there is likely no visual source safe support,
which is fine with me, but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middle of a scripting project right now and I'm
using notepad++. Anyone care to share the bottom line on these express editions?


Aug 27 '08 #13
who said I was speaking *only* of the web development version? I know web
development has nothing to do with WSH, I never said or implied it did.
There is also a vb specific version (non web specific), with which there
*is* a builtin template for a WSH file. But as I said, I'm disappointed
there is no intellisense for vbscript + wsh. Maybe I'm missing a setting or
something. There is of course intellisense for vb.net project files.

intellisense for writting WSH files (.vbs or .wsf) would be awesome.

Anyway, I appreciate the post with link to product comparison, which did
ultimately lead me to finding the current one, which is:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstu.../cc149003.aspx

I still think its great there are these free versions of VS. I didn't
realize they existed.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:O1**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
re:
!it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but
my exitement is gone
!after downloading, installing, and seeing no support for intellisense
when creating/editing WSH files.

Why would you think that a web development tool would have support for WSH
files ?

re:
!Thats what I was looking for

That's what you were *mistakenly* looking for.
Web development has nothing to do with WSH.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en espa˝ol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"James" <no***@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:e7**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>well, it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS
but my exitement is gone after downloading, installing, and seeing no
support for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files. Thats what I
was looking for.

bummer.

thanks for all the input anyway!

"James" <no***@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of
Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support
this with intellisense... which, well, makes me want to jump up and down
:). However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net
projects and used visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to
guess I'd say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is
fine with me, but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middle
of a scripting project right now and I'm using notepad++. Anyone care to
share the bottom line on these express editions?



Aug 27 '08 #14
James wrote:
"James" <no***@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support
this with intellisense... which, well, makes me want to jump up and down
:). However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net
projects and used visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to
guess I'd say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is fine
with me, but what else don't you get?
well, it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but
my exitement is gone after downloading, installing, and seeing no support
for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files. Thats what I was looking
for.

bummer.
VBS is reasonable close to VB6.

But it has very little to do with VB.NET, so it should
not come as s surprise that the VBS support in a VB.NET IDE
is very limited.

Arne

Aug 28 '08 #15
Juan T. Llibre wrote:
re:
!it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but my exitement is gone
!after downloading, installing, and seeing no support for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files.

Why would you think that a web development tool would have support for WSH files ?

re:
!Thats what I was looking for

That's what you were *mistakenly* looking for.
Web development has nothing to do with WSH.
VWD is a web development tool, but the rest of the editions are not
web centric.

And I do not recall him saying that is was VWD. And the VB.NET
seems a lot more likely.

Arne
Aug 28 '08 #16
re:
!I do not recall him saying that is was VWD.

I misunderstood him to be referring to web apps.
He was actually talking about developing .net apps.

Sorry about the misunderstanding.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en espa˝ol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Arne Vajh°j" <ar**@vajhoej.dkwrote in message news:48***********************@news.sunsite.dk...
Juan T. Llibre wrote:
>re:
!it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but my exitement is gone
!after downloading, installing, and seeing no support for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files.

Why would you think that a web development tool would have support for WSH files ?

re:
!Thats what I was looking for

That's what you were *mistakenly* looking for.
Web development has nothing to do with WSH.

VWD is a web development tool, but the rest of the editions are not web centric.

And I do not recall him saying that is was VWD. And the VB.NET
seems a lot more likely.

Arne

Aug 28 '08 #17
no problem.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
re:
!I do not recall him saying that is was VWD.

I misunderstood him to be referring to web apps.
He was actually talking about developing .net apps.

Sorry about the misunderstanding.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en espa˝ol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Arne Vajh°j" <ar**@vajhoej.dkwrote in message
news:48***********************@news.sunsite.dk...
>Juan T. Llibre wrote:
>>re:
!it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS
but my exitement is gone
!after downloading, installing, and seeing no support for intellisense
when creating/editing WSH files.

Why would you think that a web development tool would have support for
WSH files ?

re:
!Thats what I was looking for

That's what you were *mistakenly* looking for.
Web development has nothing to do with WSH.

VWD is a web development tool, but the rest of the editions are not web
centric.

And I do not recall him saying that is was VWD. And the VB.NET
seems a lot more likely.

Arne


Aug 28 '08 #18
ya, you are right. Hey MS, how about adding an 'Automation and Scripting'
Express edition? Just colorcode syntax, provide collapsable regions, line
numbers, and intellisense. That would be awesome.

"Arne Vajh°j" <ar**@vajhoej.dkwrote in message
news:48***********************@news.sunsite.dk...
James wrote:
>"James" <no***@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support
this with intellisense... which, well, makes me want to jump up and down
:). However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net
projects and used visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to
guess I'd say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is
fine with me, but what else don't you get?
>well, it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS
but my exitement is gone after downloading, installing, and seeing no
support for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files. Thats what I
was looking for.

bummer.

VBS is reasonable close to VB6.

But it has very little to do with VB.NET, so it should
not come as s surprise that the VBS support in a VB.NET IDE
is very limited.

Arne

Aug 28 '08 #19
"James" <no***@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:uj**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
ya, you are right. Hey MS, how about adding an 'Automation and Scripting'
Express edition? Just colorcode syntax, provide collapsable regions, line
numbers, and intellisense. That would be awesome.
Can't you simply add a reference (COM) to 'Microsoft Scripting Runtime'?
That'll give you intellisense and the rest. Not sure what kind of scripts
you're running....

'Then, you'd get to use syntax like....
Private moDictionary As Scripting.Dictionary

Once you create an instance, moDictionary(dot) will show its
methods/properties

Whatever the case, you're probably aware that a lot of people (network
admins, for sure) disable scripting support on their workstations.

btw... VB6'er here, just poking around the groups....

--
Ken Halter
Part time groupie
Aug 28 '08 #20
I'll be glad to pass that suggestion to the Dev Teams...

Not sure how much traction the idea will get but, I agree, it would be awesome.

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en espa˝ol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"James" <no***@nowhere.comwrote in message news:uj**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
ya, you are right. Hey MS, how about adding an 'Automation and Scripting' Express edition? Just colorcode syntax,
provide collapsable regions, line numbers, and intellisense. That would be awesome.

"Arne Vajh°j" <ar**@vajhoej.dkwrote in message news:48***********************@news.sunsite.dk...
>James wrote:
>>"James" <no***@nowhere.comwrote in message news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this with intellisense... which, well, makes
me want to jump up and down :). However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects and used
visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd say there is likely no visual source safe support,
which is fine with me, but what else don't you get?
>>well, it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but my exitement is gone after downloading,
installing, and seeing no support for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files. Thats what I was looking for.

bummer.

VBS is reasonable close to VB6.

But it has very little to do with VB.NET, so it should
not come as s surprise that the VBS support in a VB.NET IDE
is very limited.

Arne


Aug 28 '08 #21
ya, you are right. Hey MS, how about adding an 'Automation and Scripting'
Express edition? Just colorcode syntax, provide collapsable regions, line
numbers, and intellisense. That would be awesome.
Not likely. MS has taken a lukewarm approach to
VBScript lately. They're pushing "Power Shell" for
admin. scripting (console mode is the new black :)
and of course VBS never did make it for anything
client-side on the Web. But more to the point, VBScript
deals in COM, using pretty much any COM object with
a Dispatch interface. .Net is not COM-based. It uses a
different system to make objects available. (Note that
the vast majority of .Net objects are not usable in VBS.)
Aug 30 '08 #22

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