Please give me a moment - How Employable am I?

[GeekDrool]

I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out
there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy
weight on me.

I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years
ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as
the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client
of my software company.

I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL
Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously).

While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team)
that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not
correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to.
In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate
environment.

I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going
nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new
product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business
management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of
stress.

I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering
becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the
workforce at that point?

Am I employable? At what position? What Salary?

"Any" Comments would be greatly appreciated.

[Moty Michaely]

GeekDrool wrote:

I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out
there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy
weight on me.

I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years
ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as
the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client
of my software company.

I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL
Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously).

While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team)
that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not
correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to.
In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate
environment.

I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going
nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new
product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business
management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of
stress.

I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering
becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the
workforce at that point?

Am I employable? At what position? What Salary?

"Any" Comments would be greatly appreciated.

Dear GeekDrool,

I think that your question depends on various of things, such as your
dwelling place (Country etc...) and your motivation for job position.

In my opinion, the the market is growing and all you have to do is
believe in your self and you your personal skills.
Don't give-up on your self or be with low self-confidence.

I really think that whether you are 'employable' or really depends on
you.

Proper disclosure: I am 26 years old, so maybe it's easy for me to
say..

Sincerely,
Moty

[Egghead]

Hi GeekDrool,

Frist of all, where you want to go?
sigh :( I am 37, working in a MSV and going nowhere;
Degree is not a must landing another developer job for you. However, it is
hard for you moving up the ladder without a degree. May be you can do that
in a small company but not those conventional corporate. In small company,
where can you go?
At the end, there is no right way or wrong way in IT, only better way :)

BTW, just wonder how hard in running a small software company?
--
cheers,
RL
"Moty Michaely" <Mo*****@gmail.comwrote in message
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>
GeekDrool wrote:

>I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out
there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy
weight on me.

I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years
ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as
the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client
of my software company.

I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL
Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously).

While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team)
that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not
correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to.
In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate
environment.

I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going
nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new
product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business
management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of
stress.

I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering
becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the
workforce at that point?

Am I employable? At what position? What Salary?

"Any" Comments would be greatly appreciated.

Dear GeekDrool,

I think that your question depends on various of things, such as your
dwelling place (Country etc...) and your motivation for job position.

In my opinion, the the market is growing and all you have to do is
believe in your self and you your personal skills.
Don't give-up on your self or be with low self-confidence.

I really think that whether you are 'employable' or really depends on
you.

Proper disclosure: I am 26 years old, so maybe it's easy for me to
say..

Sincerely,
Moty

[Brian Schwartz]

I'm not a team leader or manager, but I have been consulting for 13 years,
so maybe I qualify as an insightful grunt.

Whether your leadership was in someone else's company or your own, it's
still leadership experience. You've managed people; you've owned projects; I
assume you've executed successful deliveries to customers. Spell it out on
your resume. List and quantify your accomplishments. For example, don't just
say, "I delivered several projects on time and within budget. Say, "I
delivered 18 projects on time and within budget." (18--a number I pulled out
of the air--you get the idea).

In my experience, the lack of a college degree has not been a hindrance. In
almost all cases, companies are willing to substitute years of experience
for years in college. You being able to list six years in the past, plue
more now gives you a significant total number of years.

Besides highlighting your past business experiences, your main challenge
will be to show ample current experience. I have found that getting out of
the loop of new technologies for even a year can be a significant setback to
me. I left programming in 2003, and when I came back in 2004 with no .NET
experience yet, it took quite a while to find work. But you are currently
employed using what sounds like current technologies, so this shouldn't be
too difficult for you.

My general impression of Microsoft certifications is that they are only
marginally useful, if at all, in terms of landing a contract.
(Full-time/permanent employment may be different.) Others in this newsgroup
who have them may bristle at that. :) No offense--that's just my
experience. There was a time a couple years ago when my technical recruiter
was urging me to get one because the employment market was very tight and
sometimes, when a company was deciding between two otherwise equally
qualified candidates, the one with the certification got the job. But that
hasn't been the case recently.

As for salary, it varies by region and industry, contract or permanent,
benefits or no benefits. I hesitate to even throw out numbers. But I have
typically found the consulting recruiters I've worked with to be honest
about what kind of wages the market can support for my given skillset. You
might want to consider going the consulting route for a period of time,
because it takes some of the burden off--they do a lot of the hard work in
finding companies looking to hire someone with your skillset and in
negotiating the wage.

YES. You are definitely employable. Keep your chin up and your chest out.
Put as many accomplishments, tools, languages, etc. as you can on your
resume and go for it. Interviewing is always hard work, even when you're
feeling good about yourself. Don't let your current discouragement make you
think you're not worthwhile.

--
Brian Schwartz
FishNet Components
http://www.fishnetcomponents.com
Fish Grid .NET Light: Powerful Layouts for Small Datasets
"GeekDrool" <Ge*******@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...

>I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out
there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy
weight on me.

I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years
ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as
the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client
of my software company.

I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL
Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously).

While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team)
that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not
correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to.
In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate
environment.

I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going
nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new
product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business
management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of
stress.

I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering
becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the
workforce at that point?

Am I employable? At what position? What Salary?

"Any" Comments would be greatly appreciated.

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?=]

GeekDrool wrote:

I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out
there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy
weight on me.

I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years
ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as
the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client
of my software company.

I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL
Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously).

While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team)
that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not
correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to.
In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate
environment.

I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going
nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new
product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business
management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of
stress.

I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering
becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the
workforce at that point?

Am I employable? At what position? What Salary?

Employable as a manager ? If somebody within the company
know you from your own business days, then absolutely
possible, else I would not be too optimistic. Anything is
possible but possible and likely are two different things.

If you know C#, have basic understanding of software development
process and have an IQ 100, then you will certainly be able to find a
programming job. You should realize that you will start side
by side with people 10-15 years younger than you. How quickly you
will find it and salary depends a bit on where you will be
looking for the job.

Arne

[Mark Rae]

"GeekDrool" <Ge*******@gmail.comwrote in message
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I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going
nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new
product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business
management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of
stress.

Depending on where you are, I'd suggest becoming a contractor. I did that
nearly 15 years ago, and have never regretted it...

I have no college degree,

Irrelevant - experience is what counts.

I am 36 and am considering becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#)

A total and utter waste of time...
--
http://www.markrae.net

[=?Utf-8?B?S2lyYW4gQmFuZ2Fsb3Jl?=]

Can anyone tell me hows the structure of 70-551 exam paper..?
and also let me know which r the books I need to refer for the same.. Please
waitin for ur reply....

Rgards,
Kiran T V
MCP MCAD MCSD Bangalore

"Moty Michaely" wrote:

>
GeekDrool wrote:

I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out
there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy
weight on me.

I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years
ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as
the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client
of my software company.

I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL
Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously).

While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team)
that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not
correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to.
In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate
environment.

I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going
nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new
product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business
management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of
stress.

I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering
becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the
workforce at that point?

Am I employable? At what position? What Salary?

"Any" Comments would be greatly appreciated.

Dear GeekDrool,

I think that your question depends on various of things, such as your
dwelling place (Country etc...) and your motivation for job position.

In my opinion, the the market is growing and all you have to do is
believe in your self and you your personal skills.
Don't give-up on your self or be with low self-confidence.

I really think that whether you are 'employable' or really depends on
you.

Proper disclosure: I am 26 years old, so maybe it's easy for me to
say..

Sincerely,
Moty

[Mark Rae [MVP]]

"Kiran Bangalore" <Kiran Ba*******@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in
message news:D4**********************************@microsof t.com...

Can anyone tell me hows the structure of 70-551 exam paper..?
and also let me know which r the books I need to refer for the same..

You can buy the whole thing here: http://www.examcheets.com/

It will cost you 16 US dollars...

Complete waste of time...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

[Mark Rae [MVP]]

"GeekDrool" <Ge*******@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...

I have no college degree,

Irrelevant.

I am self taught,

OK.

I am considering becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#)

A total and utter waste of time. For a few dollars you can download the
entire set of questions and and answers for any MCP from any number of
websites - here's one: http://www.examcheets.com/

All that counts is your experience...

Am I employable?

Yes.

At what position?

Have you consdered contracting / freelancing...?

What salary?

Where are you based...?
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Reinke?=]

Mark Rae [MVP] wrote:

"GeekDrool" <Ge*******@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...

>I have no college degree,

Irrelevant.

>I am self taught,

OK.

>I am considering becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#)

A total and utter waste of time. For a few dollars you can download the
entire set of questions and and answers for any MCP from any number of
websites - here's one: http://www.examcheets.com/

Where is the examples of what you get for your money ?

p.s.
The certificat's might not give you any knowledge, but at least here in
Europe the people hiring you, love them (for some weird reason).

/Søren

[Mark Rae [MVP]]

"Søren Reinke" <so***@REMOVE.reinke.dkwrote in message
news:46**********************@dreader2.cybercity.d k...

>A total and utter waste of time. For a few dollars you can download the
entire set of questions and and answers for any MCP from any number of
websites - here's one: http://www.examcheets.com/

Where is the examples of what you get for your money ?

http://www.examcheets.com/ - click FAQ. They estimate that it will take
between ten and thirteen hours to memorise every question and answer and,
when you can do that, they are so confident that you will pass that they
offer a money-back guarantee if you don't...

The certificates might not give you any knowledge,

That's correct - they don't...

but at least here in Europe the people hiring you, love them (for some
weird reason).

That may be true in Denmark - I couldn't comment - but it certainly isn't
the case in the UK...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Reinke?=]

Mark Rae [MVP] wrote:

"Søren Reinke" <so***@REMOVE.reinke.dkwrote in message
news:46**********************@dreader2.cybercity.d k...

>>A total and utter waste of time. For a few dollars you can download
the entire set of questions and and answers for any MCP from any
number of websites - here's one: http://www.examcheets.com/

Where is the examples of what you get for your money ?

http://www.examcheets.com/ - click FAQ. They estimate that it will take
between ten and thirteen hours to memorise every question and answer
and, when you can do that, they are so confident that you will pass that
they offer a money-back guarantee if you don't...

I have seen the FAQ, but still there is not a single example to prove
what they actually sell. It is just words.
I have seen to many sites promissing everything, giving you nothing, and
a money back guarantee isn't much worth, if it is a cheating company.

>The certificates might not give you any knowledge,

That's correct - they don't...

That sure depends on the people taking the exams.
If you just memorize the questions, without actually understanding the
material, then it is correct.

But if you actually try to understand, and work with it, you learn
something (if not you are plain stupid)

>but at least here in Europe the people hiring you, love them (for some
weird reason).

That may be true in Denmark - I couldn't comment - but it certainly
isn't the case in the UK...

Don't know about that, but at least in Denmark and Germany it sure makes
a difference, if to people with the same background applies for a job,
and 1 of them has some certificates.

/Søren

[Robert Williams [CertGuard]]

You're *NOT* Serious!!!

You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!!

I look forward to seeing your name without the [MVP] after it.

--
CertGuard

"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
news:uU**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

"Kiran Bangalore" <Kiran Ba*******@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:D4**********************************@microsof t.com...

>Can anyone tell me hows the structure of 70-551 exam paper..?
and also let me know which r the books I need to refer for the same..

You can buy the whole thing here: http://www.examcheets.com/

It will cost you 16 US dollars...

Complete waste of time...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

[Mark Rae [MVP]]

"Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_wrote in
message news:ev**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

You're *NOT* Serious!!!

You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!!

No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the
questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and,
therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

[Egghead]

Actually, M$ certs alone worth nothing. You need to have exp.

--
cheers,
RL
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
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"Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_wrote in
message news:ev**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>You're *NOT* Serious!!!

You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!!

No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the
questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and,
therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

[Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]]

On Jul 26, 12:51 pm, "Egghead" <robertlo@NO_SHAW.CAwrote:

Actually, M$ certs alone worth nothing. You need to have exp.

--
cheers,
RL
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <[e-mail] in messagenews:uM****************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gb l...

"Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_wrote in
messagenews:ev**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl. ..

You're *NOT* Serious!!!

You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!!

No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the
questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and,
therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are...

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is sad. You call yourself "valuable" to Microsoft yet you
slander them in the same post? You might as well renounce your MVP
status now before it's taken from you.

--
Taylor S. Ripley
CertGuard Security Officer
http://www.certguard.com
Join the fight against Braindumps!
http://www.certguard.com/forums/

[Robert Williams [CertGuard]]

"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
news:uM**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

"Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_wrote in
message news:ev**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>You're *NOT* Serious!!!

You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!!

No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the
questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and,
therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are...

That was no example. That was a direct link to a braindump provider...and it's
NOT the only time you've done it. Although that little 'excuse' will probably
save your @$$ when MSL contacts you about it.

For future reference, there are HUNDREDS of braindump websites out there.
Providing links to any one of them is considered promotion. If you don't like
the way certifications are going, then don't get involved in them, but don't
post links to places where these people can make it worse on the rest of us.

Here are some resources that you can point people to that will HELP the
Certifications get better versus worsening them:

Exam Security FAQ: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mc.../security.mspx
Exam Security & Integrity Webcast:
https://www114.livemeeting.com/cc/lm...pw=ATT0900&cn=
Braindumps: http://www.certguard.com/braindumps.asp
Braindump Free Search: http://www.certguard.com/search.asp

And, Look for my Blog on this topic: http://blog.certguard.com/

--
Robert Williams [CertGuard]

[The Rev [MCT]]

Microsoft doesn't not revoke MVP because someone speaks their mind in
stating the obvious with regard to the MCP Program.

--
..rev

"It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it"
~Aristotle

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"Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <ts******@gmail.comwrote in message
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On Jul 26, 12:51 pm, "Egghead" <robertlo@NO_SHAW.CAwrote:

>Actually, M$ certs alone worth nothing. You need to have exp.

--
cheers,
RL
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <[e-mail] in
messagenews:uM****************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.g bl...

"Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_wrote
in
messagenews:ev**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl. ..

>You're *NOT* Serious!!!

>You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!!

No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the
questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and,
therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are...

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is sad. You call yourself "valuable" to Microsoft yet you
slander them in the same post? You might as well renounce your MVP
status now before it's taken from you.

--
Taylor S. Ripley
CertGuard Security Officer
http://www.certguard.com
Join the fight against Braindumps!
http://www.certguard.com/forums/

[Mark Rae [MVP]]

"The Rev [MCT]" <ir**************@gmail.comwrote in message
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Microsoft doesn't not revoke MVP because someone speaks their mind

Quite the reverse, in fact...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

[Mark Rae [MVP]]

"Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_wrote in
message news:Oo**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

That was no example.

??? Of course it was!

That was a direct link to a braindump provider...

Correct.

and it's NOT the only time you've done it.

Indeed - and not the last, I'd imagine...

Although that little 'excuse' will probably save your @$$ when MSL
contacts you about it.

:-)

For future reference, there are HUNDREDS of braindump websites out there.

Yes - I know...

Providing links to any one of them is considered promotion.

Is it? By whom? I'm no more advocating the use of braindump sites than the
acquisition of certifications which I consider to be worthless...

If you don't like the way certifications are going, then don't get
involved in them,

I certainly have no intention of getting involved in them...

but don't post links to places where these people can make it worse on the
rest of us.

When did you become my boss...?
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

[The Rev [MCT]]

Hey Mark,

I do find it funny that you've been personally attacked because you
discredit the value of certification. And Algood has done his part it seems
in trying to discredit you himself. I too find this funny. I think they've
figured MVP means you got certified when in fact certifications have nothing
to do with the MVP program. I find the whole arguement amusing. I don't
think we've met, beacuse I didn't recognize the name, but I'm sure if we do
at a summit eventually I will buy you a beer.

--
..rev

"It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it"
~Aristotle

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"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
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"The Rev [MCT]" <ir**************@gmail.comwrote in message
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>Microsoft doesn't not revoke MVP because someone speaks their mind

Quite the reverse, in fact...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

[Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]]

"The Rev [MCT]" <ir**************@gmail.comwrote in message
news:O3**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

Hey Mark,

I do find it funny that you've been personally attacked because you
discredit the value of certification. And Algood has done his part it seems
in trying to discredit you himself. I too find this funny.

Are you referring to me? If so, I have not said a word in this thread
till now. And what have I said about Mark in any other thread?

I think they've
figured MVP means you got certified when in fact certifications have nothing
to do with the MVP program.

No, I am perfectly aware of how the MVP program works.

I find the whole arguement amusing. I don't
think we've met, beacuse I didn't recognize the name, but I'm sure if we do
at a summit eventually I will buy you a beer.

Are you both even over 21?

--
Michael D. Alligood,
MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com

[The Rev [MCT]]

You asked where you said anything. Well I read the certblog after you posted
a link at Trika's site about your email with Prometric and I read something
else instead. So yes I know what you said about Mark. As for being over 21.
No I'm only 12 years old. I mean come on man, is that really the question
you want to ask me?

--
..rev

"It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it"
~Aristotle

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"Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" <md********@bellsouth.netwrote in
message news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

"The Rev [MCT]" <ir**************@gmail.comwrote in message
news:O3**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>Hey Mark,

I do find it funny that you've been personally attacked because you
discredit the value of certification. And Algood has done his part it
seems
in trying to discredit you himself. I too find this funny.

Are you referring to me? If so, I have not said a word in this thread till
now. And what have I said about Mark in any other thread?

>I think they've
figured MVP means you got certified when in fact certifications have
nothing
to do with the MVP program.

No, I am perfectly aware of how the MVP program works.

>I find the whole arguement amusing. I don't
think we've met, beacuse I didn't recognize the name, but I'm sure if we
do
at a summit eventually I will buy you a beer.

Are you both even over 21?

--
Michael D. Alligood,
MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com

[Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]]

"The Rev [MCT]" <ir**************@gmail.comwrote in message
news:#z**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

You asked where you said anything. Well I read the certblog after you posted
a link at Trika's site about your email with Prometric and I read something
else instead. So yes I know what you said about Mark. As for being over 21.
No I'm only 12 years old. I mean come on man, is that really the question
you want to ask me?

--
.rev

No, what I really want to ask is do you do any research at all before
you speak? I did not nor have not posted anything on CertBlog. The blog
belongs to CertGuard, Inc. and I did not post anything about Mark on
that or any other site or blog. So you are 0 for 2 now. Care to strike
out?

Regardless, thanks for visiting CertBlog. Have a good day.
--
Michael D. Alligood,
MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com

[Robert Williams [CertGuard]]

Thanks! Really appreciate!!

--
CertGuard

"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
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"Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_wrote in
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>That was no example.

??? Of course it was!

>That was a direct link to a braindump provider...

Correct.

>and it's NOT the only time you've done it.

Indeed - and not the last, I'd imagine...

>Although that little 'excuse' will probably save your @$$ when MSL
contacts you about it.

:-)

>For future reference, there are HUNDREDS of braindump websites out there.

Yes - I know...

>Providing links to any one of them is considered promotion.

Is it? By whom? I'm no more advocating the use of braindump sites than the
acquisition of certifications which I consider to be worthless...

>If you don't like the way certifications are going, then don't get
involved in them,

I certainly have no intention of getting involved in them...

>but don't post links to places where these people can make it worse on
the rest of us.

When did you become my boss...?
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

[The Rev [MCT]]

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..rev

"It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without
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"Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" <md********@bellsouth.netwrote in
message news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

"The Rev [MCT]" <ir**************@gmail.comwrote in message
news:#z**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

>You asked where you said anything. Well I read the certblog after you
posted
a link at Trika's site about your email with Prometric and I read
something
else instead. So yes I know what you said about Mark. As for being over
21.
No I'm only 12 years old. I mean come on man, is that really the question
you want to ask me?

--
.rev

No, what I really want to ask is do you do any research at all before you
speak? I did not nor have not posted anything on CertBlog. The blog
belongs to CertGuard, Inc. and I did not post anything about Mark on that
or any other site or blog. So you are 0 for 2 now. Care to strike out?

Regardless, thanks for visiting CertBlog. Have a good day.
--
Michael D. Alligood,
MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com

[Robert Williams [CertGuard]]

To end this right here (hopefully), Mark, I have pulled the Blog (even though it
made no direct reference to you other than what you wrote). I do understand now
the point you were attempting to get across and although I don't agree with the
method, I do respect it. My apologies!

There are so many other ways to get one's point across, as there were for me to
get my point across and I apologize for not taking one of those other avenues.

I would, however, like to ask one thing of you. Could you please just not post
direct links to braindump sites? That's all I ask. By doing so, at least you're
not helping worsen the situation that currently certified individuals have found
themselves in the middle of.

I'll be leaving now, as I despise these friggin' newsgroups just about as much
as you hate certifications.

Thanks,

--
Robert Williams [CertGuard]

"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
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"Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_wrote in
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>You're *NOT* Serious!!!

You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!!

No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the
questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and,
therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

[steve.falzon]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:57:52 -0500, "Robert Williams [CertGuard]"
<NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_wrote:

>To end this right here (hopefully), Mark, I have pulled the Blog (even though it
made no direct reference to you other than what you wrote). I do understand now
the point you were attempting to get across and although I don't agree with the
method, I do respect it. My apologies!

There are so many other ways to get one's point across, as there were for me to
get my point across and I apologize for not taking one of those other avenues.

I would, however, like to ask one thing of you. Could you please just not post
direct links to braindump sites? That's all I ask. By doing so, at least you're
not helping worsen the situation that currently certified individuals have found
themselves in the middle of.

I'll be leaving now, as I despise these friggin' newsgroups just about as much
as you hate certifications.

Thanks,

Just been reading the original argument you started and one thing is
evident, you guys at CertGuard need get certified in how to relate to
people, what an aggressive bunch you are.

>I'll be leaving now

Will you be taking the rest of your gang with you?

Steve

[ajk]

On 10 May 2007 21:32:53 -0700, GeekDrool <Ge*******@gmail.comwrote:

>I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out
there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy
weight on me.

I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years
ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as
the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client
of my software company.

I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL
Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously).

While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team)
that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not
correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to.
In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate
environment.

I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going
nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new
product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business
management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of
stress.

I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering
becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the
workforce at that point?

Am I employable? At what position? What Salary?

"Any" Comments would be greatly appreciated.

i am a teamleader.. i think what makes a person employable is that the
person is open to learn new things. i myself am 45 and know that as
programming is concerned the older one gets the more firm opinions one
has. sometimes this opinions are incorrect so how adaptable are u?

keep up listening to people and are willing to learn that makes u
employable.