Application takes a long time to open a dialog after some time

[nagar]

I noticed this behavior in a C# application. For its nature the
applications stays mainly minimized to the tray icons
As soon as it's launched the application responds normally. After a
while, when I double click on the tray icon to show the window or I
type a shortcut to open a new dialog (which also contains third-part
controls) it takes much longer to open (even 3-5 seconds).

How is that? Is there a way to avoid this behavior and keep the
application always prompt.

Thanks.
Andrea

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

na***@community.nospam <na***@community.nospamwrote:

I noticed this behavior in a C# application. For its nature the
applications stays mainly minimized to the tray icons
As soon as it's launched the application responds normally. After a
while, when I double click on the tray icon to show the window or I
type a shortcut to open a new dialog (which also contains third-part
controls) it takes much longer to open (even 3-5 seconds).

How is that? Is there a way to avoid this behavior and keep the
application always prompt.

How long is "a while"? If you're talking an hour or so when the
application hasn't been used, it's probably been swapped to disk. I
don't know any way round that.

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[Peter Duniho]

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:56:48 +0800, Jon Skeet [C# MVP] <sk***@pobox.com>
wrote:

How long is "a while"? If you're talking an hour or so when the
application hasn't been used, it's probably been swapped to disk. I
don't know any way round that.

Well, there are ways to keep the application in physical memory, but it's
not wise to do so in most situations. :)

[VJ]

Just put up a display message or notification like Outlook does ( idea is
from Outlook, but I guess its different issue).. We have done that to
indicate saying App is trying to load again, or a message indicate that...
VJ

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>I noticed this behavior in a C# application. For its nature the
applications stays mainly minimized to the tray icons
As soon as it's launched the application responds normally. After a
while, when I double click on the tray icon to show the window or I
type a shortcut to open a new dialog (which also contains third-part
controls) it takes much longer to open (even 3-5 seconds).

How is that? Is there a way to avoid this behavior and keep the
application always prompt.

Thanks.
Andrea

[nagar]

But is the delay a problem of .NET or Windows application in general?
Maybe some assemblies gets unloaded and then reloaded again. Are there
any situations which may increase this delay?
Thanks.
Andrea

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:11:33 -0500, "VJ" <no***********@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Just put up a display message or notification like Outlook does ( idea is
from Outlook, but I guess its different issue).. We have done that to
indicate saying App is trying to load again, or a message indicate that...
VJ

[VJ]

Is it slow after how long, like Peter / Jon said. If its longer than 1 hour
than it goes to disk.

Yours is more like application goes to disk probably, and you need to
maintain in physical memory. Please don't do that, not a good idea. Best
would be to display a message and let the windows take care of it.

Also in the case if you have expensive operation on Application load, when
it goes to disk, coming out back will be slow.

VJ
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But is the delay a problem of .NET or Windows application in general?
Maybe some assemblies gets unloaded and then reloaded again. Are there
any situations which may increase this delay?
Thanks.
Andrea

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:11:33 -0500, "VJ" <no***********@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>>Just put up a display message or notification like Outlook does ( idea is
from Outlook, but I guess its different issue).. We have done that to
indicate saying App is trying to load again, or a message indicate that...
VJ

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

VJ <no***********@yahoo.comwrote:

<snip>

Also in the case if you have expensive operation on Application load, when
it goes to disk, coming out back will be slow.

No, because the application isn't actually *loading* again - it's just
bringing its virtual memory back from the swap file into physical
memory. The application isn't restarting.

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[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

na***@community.nospam <na***@community.nospamwrote:

But is the delay a problem of .NET or Windows application in general?

It's neither .NET nor Windows specific. I always find when I return to
Eclipse (Windows or Linux) or VS.NET after lunch, they take quite a
while to become fully responsive again.

Maybe some assemblies gets unloaded and then reloaded again.

No, that shouldn't be it.

Are there any situations which may increase this delay?

I don't know exactly how Windows decides when to swap things, but I
suspect that the more applications that are running and the less
physical memory the machine has, the more likely Windows is to swap out
the idle app.

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[Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]]

Hi Andrea,

Thanks for your feedback.

With the current information available, it is hard to determine if this
delay is caused by the Windows Virtual Memory swap from disk or .Net
FCL/CLR code. I would recommend you to follow the steps in the blog entry
below to obtain a stack trace of the delay(delay troubleshooting steps are
similar to the hang issue), I assume the stack trace may reveal some
internal information(I wrote this blog entry for our team):
"How to debug application crash/hang in production environment?"
http://blogs.msdn.com/msdnts/archive...pplication-cra
sh-hang-in-production-environment.aspx

Note: in this scenario, it may be helpful to use Process Explorer to obtain
the stack trace, because the Process Explorer can provide the kernel-mode
stack trace of certain thread.

I will wait for your further information, thanks.

Best regards,
Jeffrey Tan
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[Willy Denoyette [MVP]]

<na***@community.nospamwrote in message news:8k********************************@4ax.com...

>I noticed this behavior in a C# application. For its nature the
applications stays mainly minimized to the tray icons
As soon as it's launched the application responds normally. After a
while, when I double click on the tray icon to show the window or I
type a shortcut to open a new dialog (which also contains third-part
controls) it takes much longer to open (even 3-5 seconds).

How is that? Is there a way to avoid this behavior and keep the
application always prompt.

Thanks.
Andrea

Minimized applications and tray Icons, have their "inactive" pages automatically swapped
out to the paging file. In general, it's only a matter of milliseconds to bring these pages
back-in, but if it takes seconds it's an indication that the working set is large and/or
there is a severe lack of physical memory.
This means that other application's pages will have to be swapped-out in order to bring back
your 'tray' application's pages back into the working set.
You can verify this action by watching the memory counters and especially the "working set"
counter of your application using perfmon.exe.

Willy.

[Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]]

Hi Andrea,

Have you reviewed my last reply to you? Does it make sense to you? If you
still need any help or have any concern, please feel free to feedback,
thanks.

Best regards,
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Community Support
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