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Passing data between C# applications

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Hi all,

I have 2 C# applications that I need to pass data between.
Specifically XML information such as a document or node name. How can
I do that? Thanks in advance!

~ Maryam

Mar 13 '07 #1
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Hello,
You can use same web service application in both C# applications.:)

--
Haydar TUNA
Republic Of Turkey - Ministry of National Education
Education Technology Department Ankara / TURKEY
Web: http://www.haydartuna.net

<ah**********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@64g2000cwx.googlegro ups.com...
Hi all,

I have 2 C# applications that I need to pass data between.
Specifically XML information such as a document or node name. How can
I do that? Thanks in advance!

~ Maryam

Mar 13 '07 #2

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You could create a socket listener and client in each app and allow the apps
to connect to each other and pass data over tcp.
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog
<ah**********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@64g2000cwx.googlegro ups.com...
Hi all,

I have 2 C# applications that I need to pass data between.
Specifically XML information such as a document or node name. How can
I do that? Thanks in advance!

~ Maryam

Mar 13 '07 #3

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Hey Guys,

Thanks for your tips. Haydar, although I could use a web service as a
way to communicate between the applications, it would be too much
overhead for my project since both my C# applications are stand alone
and don't require an internet connection. Thanks for the idea though!

John, I was thinking of using named pipes instead of sockets since
both of my programs will run on one machine or across the same
network. Do you know if the .net has support for named pipes using C#?

Thanks!!

~ Maryam

On Mar 13, 10:47 am, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
You could create a socket listener and client in each app and allow the apps
to connect to each other and pass data over tcp.
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

<ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote in message

news:11**********************@64g2000cwx.googlegro ups.com...
Hi all,
I have 2 C# applications that I need to pass data between.
Specifically XML information such as a document or node name. How can
I do that? Thanks in advance!
~ Maryam

Mar 13 '07 #4

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Hi,

<ah**********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
Hey Guys,

Thanks for your tips. Haydar, although I could use a web service as a
way to communicate between the applications, it would be too much
overhead for my project since both my C# applications are stand alone
and don't require an internet connection. Thanks for the idea though!

John, I was thinking of using named pipes instead of sockets since
both of my programs will run on one machine or across the same
network. Do you know if the .net has support for named pipes using C#?
There is no support for named pipes in .NET (at least in 1.1)
Mar 13 '07 #5

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Hi Ignacio,

Thanks for your response. What about .Net 2.0?

On Mar 13, 2:16 pm, "Ignacio Machin \( .NET/ C# MVP \)" <machin TA
laceupsolutions.comwrote:
Hi,

<ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote in message

news:11**********************@h3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
Hey Guys,
Thanks for your tips. Haydar, although I could use a web service as a
way to communicate between the applications, it would be too much
overhead for my project since both my C# applications are stand alone
and don't require an internet connection. Thanks for the idea though!
John, I was thinking of using named pipes instead of sockets since
both of my programs will run on one machine or across the same
network. Do you know if the .net has support for named pipes using C#?

There is no support for named pipes in .NET (at least in 1.1)

Mar 13 '07 #6

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uh application 1 puts information into a DATABASE.
uh then application 2 pulls information OUT of a DATABASE.

now wasn't that easy?

none of this XML _CRAP_

-Todos

On Mar 13, 6:56 am, ahmed.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,

I have 2 C# applications that I need to pass data between.
Specifically XML information such as a document or node name. How can
I do that? Thanks in advance!

~ Maryam

Mar 13 '07 #7

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yes.
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/articles/20060404.asp

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog
<ah**********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@p10g2000cwp.googlegro ups.com...
Hi Ignacio,

Thanks for your response. What about .Net 2.0?

On Mar 13, 2:16 pm, "Ignacio Machin \( .NET/ C# MVP \)" <machin TA
laceupsolutions.comwrote:
>Hi,

<ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote in message

news:11**********************@h3g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
Hey Guys,
Thanks for your tips. Haydar, although I could use a web service as a
way to communicate between the applications, it would be too much
overhead for my project since both my C# applications are stand alone
and don't require an internet connection. Thanks for the idea though!
John, I was thinking of using named pipes instead of sockets since
both of my programs will run on one machine or across the same
network. Do you know if the .net has support for named pipes using C#?

There is no support for named pipes in .NET (at least in 1.1)


Mar 13 '07 #8

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Hi,

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <to**************@hotmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
uh application 1 puts information into a DATABASE.
uh then application 2 pulls information OUT of a DATABASE.

now wasn't that easy?

none of this XML _CRAP_
And how exactly app 2 knows that there is new info in the DB?

Btw, you should consider dropping the [msft] from your name, it brings
confusion
Mar 14 '07 #9

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btw; you should drop C# from your name

that language was never invented

On Mar 14, 7:37 am, "Ignacio Machin \( .NET/ C# MVP \)" <machin TA
laceupsolutions.comwrote:
Hi,

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in messagenews:11**********************@n59g2000hsh.g ooglegroups.com...
uh application 1 puts information into a DATABASE.
uh then application 2 pulls information OUT of a DATABASE.
now wasn't that easy?
none of this XML _CRAP_

And how exactly app 2 knows that there is new info in the DB?

Btw, you should consider dropping the [msft] from your name, it brings
confusion

Mar 14 '07 #10

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App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?


On Mar 14, 7:37 am, "Ignacio Machin \( .NET/ C# MVP \)" <machin TA
laceupsolutions.comwrote:
Hi,

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in messagenews:11**********************@n59g2000hsh.g ooglegroups.com...
uh application 1 puts information into a DATABASE.
uh then application 2 pulls information OUT of a DATABASE.
now wasn't that easy?
none of this XML _CRAP_

And how exactly app 2 knows that there is new info in the DB?

Btw, you should consider dropping the [msft] from your name, it brings
confusion

Mar 14 '07 #11

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On Mar 14, 4:08 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?
What mechanism do you propose to use that would notify app 2 in an
unsolicited manner that app 1 wrote data to a database?

Mar 14 '07 #12

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Brian Gideon <br*********@yahoo.comwrote:
On Mar 14, 4:08 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?

What mechanism do you propose to use that would notify app 2 in an
unsolicited manner that app 1 wrote data to a database?
Brian, it's not worth it. We can't expect actual reasoned discussion
with trolls.

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
Mar 14 '07 #13

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uh.. I'm pushing from App1 into a DB and then pulling App2 from the
database

where's the rocket science.. I don't see the problem.

it's synchronous

Step 1 - Push Data into a Database
Step 2 - Pull Data out of a Database

Where's the complexity?

Do you really think that the database won't display the data until I
get some notification or something?

Shit; i'll write a record that say 'uh the eagle has landed' is that
what you want me to say?
I don't see the problem here kids; databases are 100 times simpler
than this XML _CRAP_

whoever invented XML should be shot.
whoever connect HTML people into renaming HTML into XHTML should be
shot

Web Services don't make for better or faster data entry

stick a friggin fork in it; databases are simpler inherently

On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, "Brian Gideon" <briangid...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Mar 14, 4:08 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"

<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?

What mechanism do you propose to use that would notify app 2 in an
unsolicited manner that app 1 wrote data to a database?

Mar 14 '07 #14

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Wow what a lively discussion,

Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project. I might add
database access later but for now I prefer to using an IPC, so I have
decided to use sockets. Thanks to everyone for their input, appreciate
it!

~ Maryam
On Mar 14, 5:38 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
uh.. I'm pushing from App1 into a DB and then pulling App2 from the
database

where's the rocket science.. I don't see the problem.

it's synchronous

Step 1 - Push Data into a Database
Step 2 - Pull Data out of a Database

Where's the complexity?

Do you really think that the database won't display the data until I
get some notification or something?

Shit; i'll write a record that say 'uh the eagle has landed' is that
what you want me to say?
I don't see the problem here kids; databases are 100 times simpler
than this XML _CRAP_

whoever invented XML should be shot.
whoever connect HTML people into renaming HTML into XHTML should be
shot

Web Services don't make for better or faster data entry

stick a friggin fork in it; databases are simpler inherently

On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, "Brian Gideon" <briangid...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Mar 14, 4:08 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?
What mechanism do you propose to use that would notify app 2 in an
unsolicited manner that app 1 wrote data to a database?

Mar 15 '07 #15

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yeah well you can't blame me if you have stupid people making your
decisions for you
I had a spreadsheet boss once that asked me to build a table that was
200 columns wide..

I couldn't believe it at the time.. and it was a lot more work than it
sounds like-- but I ended up using a _CRAPLOAD_ of calculated columns
and I was able to make this pretty damn manageable..

it was for forecasting / planning / budgeting.. I was working at
worlds most profitable software corporation--
I just find it funny.. 'oh you've got to use XML'

one of these days; someone's going to say 'holy crap CSV is 12 times
the performance of XML'

I can't wait for that day

On Mar 15, 11:58 am, ahmed.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,

Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project. I might add
database access later but for now I prefer to using an IPC, so I have
decided to use sockets. Thanks to everyone for their input, appreciate
it!

~ Maryam
On Mar 14, 5:38 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"

<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
uh.. I'm pushing from App1 into a DB and then pulling App2 from the
database
where's the rocket science.. I don't see the problem.
it's synchronous
Step 1 - Push Data into a Database
Step 2 - Pull Data out of a Database
Where's the complexity?
Do you really think that the database won't display the data until I
get some notification or something?
Shit; i'll write a record that say 'uh the eagle has landed' is that
what you want me to say?
I don't see the problem here kids; databases are 100 times simpler
than this XML _CRAP_
whoever invented XML should be shot.
whoever connect HTML people into renaming HTML into XHTML should be
shot
Web Services don't make for better or faster data entry
stick a friggin fork in it; databases are simpler inherently
On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, "Brian Gideon" <briangid...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Mar 14, 4:08 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?
What mechanism do you propose to use that would notify app 2 in an
unsolicited manner that app 1 wrote data to a database?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mar 15 '07 #16

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On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:58:39 +0800, <ah**********@gmail.comwrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,

Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project.
Pay no attention to Todos. He is not trying to help, he's just trying to
get a rise out of people by posting inflammatory comments.

You got plenty of other good advice...ignore the troll.
Mar 16 '07 #17

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I am trying to help

your middle tier; passing around a bunch of XML _CRAP_ is not
necessary

learn how to write shit against a database and learn how to do it WELL
On Mar 15, 8:36 pm, "Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPe...@nnowslpianmk.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:58:39 +0800, <ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,
Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project.

Pay no attention to Todos. He is not trying to help, he's just trying to
get a rise out of people by posting inflammatory comments.

You got plenty of other good advice...ignore the troll.

Mar 16 '07 #18

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You make the fatal mistake of assuming that every situation is appropriate
for a database. There are faster and more efficient methods of passing
information between technologies and a database can often just add a layer
of complexity and lag that isn't required. Heaven help us if every web
request or machine to machine transmission depended on a database to
facilitate some form of data handling. Raw socket connections in 99% of
situations are massively faster than any kind of DB interaction. To add to
that passing XML is a requirement - it will simply be faster over direct
port connections.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog
"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <to**************@hotmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@e65g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
>I am trying to help

your middle tier; passing around a bunch of XML _CRAP_ is not
necessary

learn how to write shit against a database and learn how to do it WELL
On Mar 15, 8:36 pm, "Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPe...@nnowslpianmk.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:58:39 +0800, <ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,
Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project.

Pay no attention to Todos. He is not trying to help, he's just trying to
get a rise out of people by posting inflammatory comments.

You got plenty of other good advice...ignore the troll.


Mar 17 '07 #19

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faster and more efficient?

then learn how to write SQL you Newbie!

'raw socket connection'

take your trendy crap and shove it buddy

I don't need 3 tiers of XML parsing and a couple of licenses of
biztalk in order to build a little ecommerce store
I just question the complexity of it all.

if you need a faster database then use Analysis Services

On Mar 16, 5:23 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
You make the fatal mistake of assuming that every situation is appropriate
for a database. There are faster and more efficient methods of passing
information between technologies and a database can often just add a layer
of complexity and lag that isn't required. Heaven help us if every web
request or machine to machine transmission depended on a database to
facilitate some form of data handling. Raw socket connections in 99% of
situations are massively faster than any kind of DB interaction. To add to
that passing XML is a requirement - it will simply be faster over direct
port connections.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in messagenews:11**********************@e65g2000hsc.g ooglegroups.com...
I am trying to help
your middle tier; passing around a bunch of XML _CRAP_ is not
necessary
learn how to write shit against a database and learn how to do it WELL
On Mar 15, 8:36 pm, "Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPe...@nnowslpianmk.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:58:39 +0800, <ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,
Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project.
Pay no attention to Todos. He is not trying to help, he's just trying to
get a rise out of people by posting inflammatory comments.
You got plenty of other good advice...ignore the troll.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mar 17 '07 #20

P: n/a
Heaven help us if every web
request or machine to machine transmission depended on XML to
facilitate some form of data handling.

On Mar 16, 5:23 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
You make the fatal mistake of assuming that every situation is appropriate
for a database. There are faster and more efficient methods of passing
information between technologies and a database can often just add a layer
of complexity and lag that isn't required. Heaven help us if every web
request or machine to machine transmission depended on a database to
facilitate some form of data handling. Raw socket connections in 99% of
situations are massively faster than any kind of DB interaction. To add to
that passing XML is a requirement - it will simply be faster over direct
port connections.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in messagenews:11**********************@e65g2000hsc.g ooglegroups.com...
I am trying to help
your middle tier; passing around a bunch of XML _CRAP_ is not
necessary
learn how to write shit against a database and learn how to do it WELL
On Mar 15, 8:36 pm, "Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPe...@nnowslpianmk.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:58:39 +0800, <ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,
Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project.
Pay no attention to Todos. He is not trying to help, he's just trying to
get a rise out of people by posting inflammatory comments.
You got plenty of other good advice...ignore the troll.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mar 17 '07 #21

P: n/a
There are faster and more efficient methods of passing
information between technologies and XML can often just add a layer
of complexity and lag that isn't required.

On Mar 16, 5:23 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
You make the fatal mistake of assuming that every situation is appropriate
for a database. There are faster and more efficient methods of passing
information between technologies and a database can often just add a layer
of complexity and lag that isn't required. Heaven help us if every web
request or machine to machine transmission depended on a database to
facilitate some form of data handling. Raw socket connections in 99% of
situations are massively faster than any kind of DB interaction. To add to
that passing XML is a requirement - it will simply be faster over direct
port connections.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in messagenews:11**********************@e65g2000hsc.g ooglegroups.com...
I am trying to help
your middle tier; passing around a bunch of XML _CRAP_ is not
necessary
learn how to write shit against a database and learn how to do it WELL
On Mar 15, 8:36 pm, "Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPe...@nnowslpianmk.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:58:39 +0800, <ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,
Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project.
Pay no attention to Todos. He is not trying to help, he's just trying to
get a rise out of people by posting inflammatory comments.
You got plenty of other good advice...ignore the troll.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mar 17 '07 #22

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and I'll bet that it's not a requirement of your project

I'll bet that the end users said 'oh we need an XML thinga-ma-bobber'

go to friggin SQL Server classes kid; if you think that SQL Server is
too slow then you're doing it wrong

On Mar 15, 11:58 am, ahmed.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,

Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project. I might add
database access later but for now I prefer to using an IPC, so I have
decided to use sockets. Thanks to everyone for their input, appreciate
it!

~ Maryam
On Mar 14, 5:38 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"

<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
uh.. I'm pushing from App1 into a DB and then pulling App2 from the
database
where's the rocket science.. I don't see the problem.
it's synchronous
Step 1 - Push Data into a Database
Step 2 - Pull Data out of a Database
Where's the complexity?
Do you really think that the database won't display the data until I
get some notification or something?
Shit; i'll write a record that say 'uh the eagle has landed' is that
what you want me to say?
I don't see the problem here kids; databases are 100 times simpler
than this XML _CRAP_
whoever invented XML should be shot.
whoever connect HTML people into renaming HTML into XHTML should be
shot
Web Services don't make for better or faster data entry
stick a friggin fork in it; databases are simpler inherently
On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, "Brian Gideon" <briangid...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Mar 14, 4:08 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?
What mechanism do you propose to use that would notify app 2 in an
unsolicited manner that app 1 wrote data to a database?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mar 17 '07 #23

P: n/a
Dude - stop skipping high school - your making no sense! Go ask your
teacher for some advice!

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog
"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <to**************@hotmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@e65g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
and I'll bet that it's not a requirement of your project

I'll bet that the end users said 'oh we need an XML thinga-ma-bobber'

go to friggin SQL Server classes kid; if you think that SQL Server is
too slow then you're doing it wrong

On Mar 15, 11:58 am, ahmed.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
>Wow what a lively discussion,

Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project. I might add
database access later but for now I prefer to using an IPC, so I have
decided to use sockets. Thanks to everyone for their input, appreciate
it!

~ Maryam
On Mar 14, 5:38 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"

<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
uh.. I'm pushing from App1 into a DB and then pulling App2 from the
database
where's the rocket science.. I don't see the problem.
it's synchronous
Step 1 - Push Data into a Database
Step 2 - Pull Data out of a Database
Where's the complexity?
Do you really think that the database won't display the data until I
get some notification or something?
Shit; i'll write a record that say 'uh the eagle has landed' is that
what you want me to say?
I don't see the problem here kids; databases are 100 times simpler
than this XML _CRAP_
whoever invented XML should be shot.
whoever connect HTML people into renaming HTML into XHTML should be
shot
Web Services don't make for better or faster data entry
stick a friggin fork in it; databases are simpler inherently
On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, "Brian Gideon" <briangid...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Mar 14, 4:08 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?
What mechanism do you propose to use that would notify app 2 in an
unsolicited manner that app 1 wrote data to a database?- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -


Mar 17 '07 #24

P: n/a
I think this post just proves you have no idea what your talking about.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog
"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <to**************@hotmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
faster and more efficient?

then learn how to write SQL you Newbie!

'raw socket connection'

take your trendy crap and shove it buddy

I don't need 3 tiers of XML parsing and a couple of licenses of
biztalk in order to build a little ecommerce store
I just question the complexity of it all.

if you need a faster database then use Analysis Services

On Mar 16, 5:23 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
>You make the fatal mistake of assuming that every situation is
appropriate
for a database. There are faster and more efficient methods of passing
information between technologies and a database can often just add a
layer
of complexity and lag that isn't required. Heaven help us if every web
request or machine to machine transmission depended on a database to
facilitate some form of data handling. Raw socket connections in 99% of
situations are massively faster than any kind of DB interaction. To add
to
that passing XML is a requirement - it will simply be faster over direct
port connections.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in
messagenews:11**********************@e65g2000hsc. googlegroups.com...
>I am trying to help
your middle tier; passing around a bunch of XML _CRAP_ is not
necessary
learn how to write shit against a database and learn how to do it WELL
On Mar 15, 8:36 pm, "Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPe...@nnowslpianmk.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:58:39 +0800, <ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,
Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project.
>Pay no attention to Todos. He is not trying to help, he's just trying
to
get a rise out of people by posting inflammatory comments.
>You got plenty of other good advice...ignore the troll.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -


Mar 17 '07 #25

P: n/a
what.. I don't make sense because I dont' believe in XML?

you can take XML and santa clause and shove it. it doesn't make your
apps go faster.
use CSV and BULK INSERT and see which is faster, kid
XML is an invention that is used to slow thigns down and make them
unnecessarily complex
Like seriously here..

UH LETS JUST ADD A WHOLE TON OF VERBOSITY AND SEE IF THEY CAN
ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING

rofl

a) put it in the database
b) pull it out of the database
anything else is a CON


On Mar 16, 5:50 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
I think this post just proves you have no idea what your talking about.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in messagenews:11**********************@b75g2000hsg.g ooglegroups.com...
faster and more efficient?
then learn how to write SQL you Newbie!
'raw socket connection'
take your trendy crap and shove it buddy
I don't need 3 tiers of XML parsing and a couple of licenses of
biztalk in order to build a little ecommerce store
I just question the complexity of it all.
if you need a faster database then use Analysis Services
On Mar 16, 5:23 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
You make the fatal mistake of assuming that every situation is
appropriate
for a database. There are faster and more efficient methods of passing
information between technologies and a database can often just add a
layer
of complexity and lag that isn't required. Heaven help us if every web
request or machine to machine transmission depended on a database to
facilitate some form of data handling. Raw socket connections in 99% of
situations are massively faster than any kind of DB interaction. To add
to
that passing XML is a requirement - it will simply be faster over direct
port connections.
Regards
John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog
"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in
messagenews:11**********************@e65g2000hsc.g ooglegroups.com...
I am trying to help
your middle tier; passing around a bunch of XML _CRAP_ is not
necessary
learn how to write shit against a database and learn how to do it WELL
On Mar 15, 8:36 pm, "Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPe...@nnowslpianmk.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:58:39 +0800, <ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,
Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project.
Pay no attention to Todos. He is not trying to help, he's just trying
to
get a rise out of people by posting inflammatory comments.
You got plenty of other good advice...ignore the troll.- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mar 17 '07 #26

P: n/a
my teacher?

I'm sorry bud-- i'm sorry that you don't find many people that have
the balls to 'question MVPS'

I don't appreciate your attitude; I don't appreciate XML.
and I don't appreciate your MVP ranking.

I've helped 10 times as many people as you have-- but I don't get an
MVP just because I HAVE THE BALLS TO QUESTION MICROSOFTS UBER-STRATEGY

that's what demonstrates how shoddy the whole MVP program _IS_

some dipshit out here is just saying 'how dare you disagree wiht me;
im a MVP'

screw you buddy
and TODOS MESOS MICROSOFT

(anything but microsoft)


On Mar 16, 5:48 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
Dude - stop skipping high school - your making no sense! Go ask your
teacher for some advice!

Regards

John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in messagenews:11**********************@e65g2000hsc.g ooglegroups.com...
and I'll bet that it's not a requirement of your project
I'll bet that the end users said 'oh we need an XML thinga-ma-bobber'
go to friggin SQL Server classes kid; if you think that SQL Server is
too slow then you're doing it wrong
On Mar 15, 11:58 am, ahmed.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,
Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project. I might add
database access later but for now I prefer to using an IPC, so I have
decided to use sockets. Thanks to everyone for their input, appreciate
it!
~ Maryam
On Mar 14, 5:38 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
uh.. I'm pushing from App1 into a DB and then pulling App2 from the
database
where's the rocket science.. I don't see the problem.
it's synchronous
Step 1 - Push Data into a Database
Step 2 - Pull Data out of a Database
Where's the complexity?
Do you really think that the database won't display the data until I
get some notification or something?
Shit; i'll write a record that say 'uh the eagle has landed' is that
what you want me to say?
I don't see the problem here kids; databases are 100 times simpler
than this XML _CRAP_
whoever invented XML should be shot.
whoever connect HTML people into renaming HTML into XHTML should be
shot
Web Services don't make for better or faster data entry
stick a friggin fork in it; databases are simpler inherently
On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, "Brian Gideon" <briangid...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Mar 14, 4:08 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?
What mechanism do you propose to use that would notify app 2 in an
unsolicited manner that app 1 wrote data to a database?- Hide quoted
text -
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Mar 17 '07 #27

P: n/a
if you need a faster database then use Analysis Services

On Mar 16, 5:48 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
Dude - stop skipping high school - your making no sense! Go ask your
teacher for some advice!

Regards

John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in messagenews:11**********************@e65g2000hsc.g ooglegroups.com...
and I'll bet that it's not a requirement of your project
I'll bet that the end users said 'oh we need an XML thinga-ma-bobber'
go to friggin SQL Server classes kid; if you think that SQL Server is
too slow then you're doing it wrong
On Mar 15, 11:58 am, ahmed.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,
Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project. I might add
database access later but for now I prefer to using an IPC, so I have
decided to use sockets. Thanks to everyone for their input, appreciate
it!
~ Maryam
On Mar 14, 5:38 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
uh.. I'm pushing from App1 into a DB and then pulling App2 from the
database
where's the rocket science.. I don't see the problem.
it's synchronous
Step 1 - Push Data into a Database
Step 2 - Pull Data out of a Database
Where's the complexity?
Do you really think that the database won't display the data until I
get some notification or something?
Shit; i'll write a record that say 'uh the eagle has landed' is that
what you want me to say?
I don't see the problem here kids; databases are 100 times simpler
than this XML _CRAP_
whoever invented XML should be shot.
whoever connect HTML people into renaming HTML into XHTML should be
shot
Web Services don't make for better or faster data entry
stick a friggin fork in it; databases are simpler inherently
On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, "Brian Gideon" <briangid...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Mar 14, 4:08 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?
What mechanism do you propose to use that would notify app 2 in an
unsolicited manner that app 1 wrote data to a database?- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mar 17 '07 #28

P: n/a
As a technical genius I think you deserve the last word and I bow to your
wisdom! You clearly understand your technology recommendations well,
especially since analysis services is a component of SQL server, not a
database.....LOL.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog
"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <to**************@hotmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@l75g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
if you need a faster database then use Analysis Services

On Mar 16, 5:48 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
>Dude - stop skipping high school - your making no sense! Go ask your
teacher for some advice!

Regards

John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in
messagenews:11**********************@e65g2000hsc. googlegroups.com...
and I'll bet that it's not a requirement of your project
I'll bet that the end users said 'oh we need an XML thinga-ma-bobber'
go to friggin SQL Server classes kid; if you think that SQL Server is
too slow then you're doing it wrong
On Mar 15, 11:58 am, ahmed.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,
>Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project. I might add
database access later but for now I prefer to using an IPC, so I have
decided to use sockets. Thanks to everyone for their input, appreciate
it!
>~ Maryam
On Mar 14, 5:38 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
><todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
uh.. I'm pushing from App1 into a DB and then pulling App2 from the
database
where's the rocket science.. I don't see the problem.
it's synchronous
Step 1 - Push Data into a Database
Step 2 - Pull Data out of a Database
Where's the complexity?
Do you really think that the database won't display the data until I
get some notification or something?
Shit; i'll write a record that say 'uh the eagle has landed' is that
what you want me to say?
I don't see the problem here kids; databases are 100 times simpler
than this XML _CRAP_
whoever invented XML should be shot.
whoever connect HTML people into renaming HTML into XHTML should be
shot
Web Services don't make for better or faster data entry
stick a friggin fork in it; databases are simpler inherently
On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, "Brian Gideon" <briangid...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Mar 14, 4:08 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?
What mechanism do you propose to use that would notify app 2 in an
unsolicited manner that app 1 wrote data to a database?- Hide
quoted
text -
>- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

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Mar 17 '07 #29

P: n/a
He's trolling. He has a bunch of aliases (aaronkempf, susiedba, dbahooker,
larrylinson...). Just ignore him.
Robin S.
--------------------------------
"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote in message
news:PP******************************@eclipse.net. uk...
>I think this post just proves you have no idea what your talking about.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog
"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <to**************@hotmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>faster and more efficient?

then learn how to write SQL you Newbie!

'raw socket connection'

take your trendy crap and shove it buddy

I don't need 3 tiers of XML parsing and a couple of licenses of
biztalk in order to build a little ecommerce store
I just question the complexity of it all.

if you need a faster database then use Analysis Services

On Mar 16, 5:23 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
>>You make the fatal mistake of assuming that every situation is
appropriate
for a database. There are faster and more efficient methods of passing
information between technologies and a database can often just add a
layer
of complexity and lag that isn't required. Heaven help us if every web
request or machine to machine transmission depended on a database to
facilitate some form of data handling. Raw socket connections in 99%
of
situations are massively faster than any kind of DB interaction. To
add to
that passing XML is a requirement - it will simply be faster over
direct
port connections.

Regards

John Timney
(MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in
messagenews:11**********************@e65g2000hsc .googlegroups.com...

I am trying to help

your middle tier; passing around a bunch of XML _CRAP_ is not
necessary

learn how to write shit against a database and learn how to do it
WELL

On Mar 15, 8:36 pm, "Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPe...@nnowslpianmk.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:58:39 +0800, <ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,

Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project.

Pay no attention to Todos. He is not trying to help, he's just
trying to
get a rise out of people by posting inflammatory comments.

You got plenty of other good advice...ignore the troll.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -



Mar 17 '07 #30

P: n/a
I know, but I felt like feeding it. Its amazing what pointless drivel
trolls spit out when you feed them. Its always good to make the rest of the
group participants realise how talented they are in comparison to the troll!

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:u8******************************@comcast.com. ..
He's trolling. He has a bunch of aliases (aaronkempf, susiedba, dbahooker,
larrylinson...). Just ignore him.
Robin S.
--------------------------------
"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote in message
news:PP******************************@eclipse.net. uk...
>>I think this post just proves you have no idea what your talking about.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog
"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <to**************@hotmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@b75g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...
>>faster and more efficient?

then learn how to write SQL you Newbie!

'raw socket connection'

take your trendy crap and shove it buddy

I don't need 3 tiers of XML parsing and a couple of licenses of
biztalk in order to build a little ecommerce store
I just question the complexity of it all.

if you need a faster database then use Analysis Services

On Mar 16, 5:23 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
You make the fatal mistake of assuming that every situation is
appropriate
for a database. There are faster and more efficient methods of passing
information between technologies and a database can often just add a
layer
of complexity and lag that isn't required. Heaven help us if every web
request or machine to machine transmission depended on a database to
facilitate some form of data handling. Raw socket connections in 99%
of
situations are massively faster than any kind of DB interaction. To
add to
that passing XML is a requirement - it will simply be faster over
direct
port connections.

Regards

John Timney
(MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in
messagenews:11**********************@e65g2000hs c.googlegroups.com...

I am trying to help

your middle tier; passing around a bunch of XML _CRAP_ is not
necessary

learn how to write shit against a database and learn how to do it
WELL

On Mar 15, 8:36 pm, "Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPe...@nnowslpianmk.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:58:39 +0800, <ahmed.mar...@gmail.comwrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,

Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project.

Pay no attention to Todos. He is not trying to help, he's just
trying to
get a rise out of people by posting inflammatory comments.

You got plenty of other good advice...ignore the troll.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -




Mar 17 '07 #31

P: n/a
Is this a question, or a statement? I don't see any body text in your post,
although I have seen these before and it may not be your fault. How exactly
do you want to "Pass data between C# applications"?
Peter

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"unknown" wrote:
>
Mar 18 '07 #32

P: n/a
IMO a database is complete overkill here. Why would we need a data
repository, concurrency management, connection management services to
store a single node of xml or a node name? Clearly there are many
solutions available thanks to the versatility of .net and windows, but
the option I would choose is:

Use GlobalAlloc (dll import) to allocate an area of shared memory to
hold the XML node / node name. Then grab the handle to the 2nd
application from its window name (simple stuff) and send it a custom
message to alert it that the contents of the global memory have
changed. Finally, override WndProc to process the message and retrieve
the node name.

Granted, thats perhaps not the most elegant solution as it involves
importing potentially unsafe code, but I have had issues with windows
interfering in socket communication by alerting the user to sockets /
ports being opened. This also could raise potential firewall issues.
Im sure there are ways around these though.

Hope that helps,
Matt

P.s. whats with the XML hating? Considering its more or less the
standard in most major communication protocols (except TCP/IP)
wouldn't it be better to embrace and accept it rather than declare it
constraining - which by its very nature it isn't.

Mar 19 '07 #33

P: n/a
IMO XML is complete overkill here. Why would we need XML, XML, XML,
XML, XML and Unnecessary Verbosity
to store a single table of data? Clearly there are many
solutions available thanks to the versatility of .net and windows,
but
the option I would choose is:

A DATABASE

On Mar 19, 2:27 am, "Matt" <m.ow...@lbs-ltd.comwrote:
IMO a database is complete overkill here. Why would we need a data
repository, concurrency management, connection management services to
store a single node of xml or a node name? Clearly there are many
solutions available thanks to the versatility of .net and windows, but
the option I would choose is:

Use GlobalAlloc (dll import) to allocate an area of shared memory to
hold the XML node / node name. Then grab the handle to the 2nd
application from its window name (simple stuff) and send it a custom
message to alert it that the contents of the global memory have
changed. Finally, override WndProc to process the message and retrieve
the node name.

Granted, thats perhaps not the most elegant solution as it involves
importing potentially unsafe code, but I have had issues with windows
interfering in socket communication by alerting the user to sockets /
ports being opened. This also could raise potential firewall issues.
Im sure there are ways around these though.

Hope that helps,
Matt

P.s. whats with the XML hating? Considering its more or less the
standard in most major communication protocols (except TCP/IP)
wouldn't it be better to embrace and accept it rather than declare it
constraining - which by its very nature it isn't.

Mar 20 '07 #34

P: n/a
re:
P.s. whats with the XML hating? Considering its more or less the
standard in most major communication protocols (except TCP/IP)
wouldn't it be better to embrace and accept it rather than declare it
constraining - which by its very nature it isn't.

seriously

a) performance
b) reusability
c) portability
d) security

XML is for trendy bastards; QUESTION AUTHORITY!

On Mar 19, 2:27 am, "Matt" <m.ow...@lbs-ltd.comwrote:
IMO a database is complete overkill here. Why would we need a data
repository, concurrency management, connection management services to
store a single node of xml or a node name? Clearly there are many
solutions available thanks to the versatility of .net and windows, but
the option I would choose is:

Use GlobalAlloc (dll import) to allocate an area of shared memory to
hold the XML node / node name. Then grab the handle to the 2nd
application from its window name (simple stuff) and send it a custom
message to alert it that the contents of the global memory have
changed. Finally, override WndProc to process the message and retrieve
the node name.

Granted, thats perhaps not the most elegant solution as it involves
importing potentially unsafe code, but I have had issues with windows
interfering in socket communication by alerting the user to sockets /
ports being opened. This also could raise potential firewall issues.
Im sure there are ways around these though.

Hope that helps,
Matt

P.s. whats with the XML hating? Considering its more or less the
standard in most major communication protocols (except TCP/IP)
wouldn't it be better to embrace and accept it rather than declare it
constraining - which by its very nature it isn't.

Mar 20 '07 #35

P: n/a
john

you're an idiot

analysis services is a faster database for all your RENOBS that screw
around with XML instead of using a database
WHY REINVENT THE WHEEL?

use a database; and use it good and hard-- until you need analysis
services.

XML doesn't have _ANY_ upgrade path except.. uh CSV files

so yeah.. build everything on XML; and then when you need to make it
faster; then change it to CSV


On Mar 16, 6:13 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
As a technical genius I think you deserve the last word and I bow to your
wisdom! You clearly understand your technology recommendations well,
especially since analysis services is a component of SQL server, not a
database.....LOL.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog

"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in messagenews:11**********************@l75g2000hse.g ooglegroups.com...
if you need a faster database then use Analysis Services
On Mar 16, 5:48 pm, "John Timney \(MVP\)"
<x_j...@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
Dude - stop skipping high school - your making no sense! Go ask your
teacher for some advice!
Regards
John Timney (MVP)http://www.johntimney.comhttp://www.johntimney.com/blog
"Todos Menos [MSFT]" <todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote in
messagenews:11**********************@e65g2000hsc.g ooglegroups.com...
and I'll bet that it's not a requirement of your project
I'll bet that the end users said 'oh we need an XML thinga-ma-bobber'
go to friggin SQL Server classes kid; if you think that SQL Server is
too slow then you're doing it wrong
On Mar 15, 11:58 am, ahmed.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow what a lively discussion,
Todos, thanks for the suggestion but using that 'Xml_Crap' as you
referred to it, is a requirement for this project. I might add
database access later but for now I prefer to using an IPC, so I have
decided to use sockets. Thanks to everyone for their input, appreciate
it!
~ Maryam
On Mar 14, 5:38 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
uh.. I'm pushing from App1 into a DB and then pulling App2 from the
database
where's the rocket science.. I don't see the problem.
it's synchronous
Step 1 - Push Data into a Database
Step 2 - Pull Data out of a Database
Where's the complexity?
Do you really think that the database won't display the data until I
get some notification or something?
Shit; i'll write a record that say 'uh the eagle has landed' is that
what you want me to say?
I don't see the problem here kids; databases are 100 times simpler
than this XML _CRAP_
whoever invented XML should be shot.
whoever connect HTML people into renaming HTML into XHTML should be
shot
Web Services don't make for better or faster data entry
stick a friggin fork in it; databases are simpler inherently
On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, "Brian Gideon" <briangid...@yahoo.comwrote:
On Mar 14, 4:08 pm, "Todos Menos [MSFT]"
<todos_menos_m...@hotmail.comwrote:
App 2 knows that the data is there-- because App1 just wrote the
data. I mean.. Do you know how to speak english?
What mechanism do you propose to use that would notify app 2 in an
unsolicited manner that app 1 wrote data to a database?- Hide
quoted
text -
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Mar 21 '07 #36

P: n/a
do you want to know what the problem is?

Microsoft CENSORS PEOPLE THAT SPEAK THE TRUTH ON A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP
I call for the USAF to drop a nuke on Redmond

PLEASE

we don't have a censorship problem in CHINA. WE HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS
THE POND (Lake WA), IN REDMOND


On Mar 17, 8:00 pm, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Is this a question, or a statement? I don't see any body text in your post,
although I have seen these before and it may not be your fault. How exactly
do you want to "Pass data between C# applications"?
Peter

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Um, sounds to me like you have more than a censorship allegation issue, my
friend.

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"Todos Menos [MSFT]" wrote:
do you want to know what the problem is?

Microsoft CENSORS PEOPLE THAT SPEAK THE TRUTH ON A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP
I call for the USAF to drop a nuke on Redmond

PLEASE

we don't have a censorship problem in CHINA. WE HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS
THE POND (Lake WA), IN REDMOND


On Mar 17, 8:00 pm, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Is this a question, or a statement? I don't see any body text in your post,
although I have seen these before and it may not be your fault. How exactly
do you want to "Pass data between C# applications"?
Peter

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Mar 21 '07 #38

P: n/a
what do you seriously not believe me when I say that MS censors my
posts?

I can make a reccomendation using no capital letters; no swear words.
and Microsoft still blocks my posts.

if this was a point system; like Experts-Exchange for example; I would
sue the crap out of Microsoft for blocking my posts

On Mar 21, 6:27 am, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Um, sounds to me like you have more than a censorship allegation issue, my
friend.

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"Todos Menos [MSFT]" wrote:
do you want to know what the problem is?
Microsoft CENSORS PEOPLE THAT SPEAK THE TRUTH ON A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP
I call for the USAF to drop a nuke on Redmond
PLEASE
we don't have a censorship problem in CHINA. WE HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS
THE POND (Lake WA), IN REDMOND
On Mar 17, 8:00 pm, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Is this a question, or a statement? I don't see any body text in your post,
although I have seen these before and it may not be your fault. How exactly
do you want to "Pass data between C# applications"?
Peter
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Mar 21 '07 #39

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hey peter do you see this post?

I think that Todos is onto something here


On Mar 21, 6:27 am, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Um, sounds to me like you have more than a censorship allegation issue, my
friend.

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"Todos Menos [MSFT]" wrote:
do you want to know what the problem is?
Microsoft CENSORS PEOPLE THAT SPEAK THE TRUTH ON A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP
I call for the USAF to drop a nuke on Redmond
PLEASE
we don't have a censorship problem in CHINA. WE HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS
THE POND (Lake WA), IN REDMOND
On Mar 17, 8:00 pm, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Is this a question, or a statement? I don't see any body text in your post,
although I have seen these before and it may not be your fault. How exactly
do you want to "Pass data between C# applications"?
Peter
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Mar 21 '07 #40

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peter

IMHO I think that he's telling the truth

-Susie, DBA
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<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
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friend.

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"Todos Menos [MSFT]" wrote:
do you want to know what the problem is?
Microsoft CENSORS PEOPLE THAT SPEAK THE TRUTH ON A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP
I call for the USAF to drop a nuke on Redmond
PLEASE
we don't have a censorship problem in CHINA. WE HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS
THE POND (Lake WA), IN REDMOND
On Mar 17, 8:00 pm, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Is this a question, or a statement? I don't see any body text in your post,
although I have seen these before and it may not be your fault. How exactly
do you want to "Pass data between C# applications"?
Peter
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Mar 21 '07 #41

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by jove; he is correct!

-PFC Sadr


On Mar 21, 6:27 am, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Um, sounds to me like you have more than a censorship allegation issue, my
friend.

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"Todos Menos [MSFT]" wrote:
do you want to know what the problem is?
Microsoft CENSORS PEOPLE THAT SPEAK THE TRUTH ON A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP
I call for the USAF to drop a nuke on Redmond
PLEASE
we don't have a censorship problem in CHINA. WE HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS
THE POND (Lake WA), IN REDMOND
On Mar 17, 8:00 pm, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Is this a question, or a statement? I don't see any body text in your post,
although I have seen these before and it may not be your fault. How exactly
do you want to "Pass data between C# applications"?
Peter
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What, do we have a club for this now?

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"PFC Sadr" wrote:
by jove; he is correct!

-PFC Sadr


On Mar 21, 6:27 am, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Um, sounds to me like you have more than a censorship allegation issue, my
friend.

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"Todos Menos [MSFT]" wrote:
do you want to know what the problem is?
Microsoft CENSORS PEOPLE THAT SPEAK THE TRUTH ON A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP
I call for the USAF to drop a nuke on Redmond
PLEASE
we don't have a censorship problem in CHINA. WE HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS
THE POND (Lake WA), IN REDMOND
On Mar 17, 8:00 pm, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Is this a question, or a statement? I don't see any body text in your post,
although I have seen these before and it may not be your fault. How exactly
do you want to "Pass data between C# applications"?
Peter
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Mar 21 '07 #43

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yeah we call ourselves 'C# was never invented.com'


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"PFC Sadr" wrote:
by jove; he is correct!
-PFC Sadr
On Mar 21, 6:27 am, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Um, sounds to me like you have more than a censorship allegation issue, my
friend.
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"Todos Menos [MSFT]" wrote:
do you want to know what the problem is?
Microsoft CENSORS PEOPLE THAT SPEAK THE TRUTH ON A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP
I call for the USAF to drop a nuke on Redmond
PLEASE
we don't have a censorship problem in CHINA. WE HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS
THE POND (Lake WA), IN REDMOND
On Mar 17, 8:00 pm, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Is this a question, or a statement? I don't see any body text in your post,
although I have seen these before and it may not be your fault. How exactly
do you want to "Pass data between C# applications"?
Peter
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Mar 22 '07 #44

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He's trolling. This is the same guy who's aaronkempf, susiedba, dbahooker,
larrylinsonjr, etc. He's just trying to cause trouble.

Robin S.
-----------------

"Matt" <m.*****@lbs-ltd.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@y66g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
IMO a database is complete overkill here. Why would we need a data
repository, concurrency management, connection management services to
store a single node of xml or a node name? Clearly there are many
solutions available thanks to the versatility of .net and windows, but
the option I would choose is:

Use GlobalAlloc (dll import) to allocate an area of shared memory to
hold the XML node / node name. Then grab the handle to the 2nd
application from its window name (simple stuff) and send it a custom
message to alert it that the contents of the global memory have
changed. Finally, override WndProc to process the message and retrieve
the node name.

Granted, thats perhaps not the most elegant solution as it involves
importing potentially unsafe code, but I have had issues with windows
interfering in socket communication by alerting the user to sockets /
ports being opened. This also could raise potential firewall issues.
Im sure there are ways around these though.

Hope that helps,
Matt

P.s. whats with the XML hating? Considering its more or less the
standard in most major communication protocols (except TCP/IP)
wouldn't it be better to embrace and accept it rather than declare it
constraining - which by its very nature it isn't.

Mar 23 '07 #45

P: n/a
They're all the same person. Nobody else agrees with him, so he posts using
his different aliases. Kind of like playing with dolls.

Robin S.
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"Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]" <pb*******@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote in
message news:B9**********************************@microsof t.com...
What, do we have a club for this now?

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"PFC Sadr" wrote:
>by jove; he is correct!

-PFC Sadr


On Mar 21, 6:27 am, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Um, sounds to me like you have more than a censorship allegation
issue, my
friend.

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"Todos Menos [MSFT]" wrote:
do you want to know what the problem is?

Microsoft CENSORS PEOPLE THAT SPEAK THE TRUTH ON A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP

I call for the USAF to drop a nuke on Redmond

PLEASE

we don't have a censorship problem in CHINA. WE HAVE ONE RIGHT
ACROSS
THE POND (Lake WA), IN REDMOND

On Mar 17, 8:00 pm, Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]
<pbromb...@yahoo.yabbadabbadoo.comwrote:
Is this a question, or a statement? I don't see any body text in
your post,
although I have seen these before and it may not be your fault.
How exactly
do you want to "Pass data between C# applications"?
Peter

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Mar 23 '07 #46

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I'm not trying to cause trouble

I AM STANDING UP AND SAYING WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOUR STRATEGY
KIDS

MAKING EVERYTHING XML BASED IS NOT IN THE USERS' REQUIREMENTS!
MAKING EVERYTHING WEBSERVICE IS NOT NECESSARY

I just find it humorous you guys are too trendy for your own good

time to get back to basics

GOOD SIMPLE FAST DATA ENTRY

anything else is an excuse


On Mar 22, 11:24 pm, "RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote:
He's trolling. This is the same guy who's aaronkempf, susiedba, dbahooker,
larrylinsonjr, etc. He's just trying to cause trouble.

Robin S.
-----------------

"Matt" <m.ow...@lbs-ltd.comwrote in message

news:11*********************@y66g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
IMO a database is complete overkill here. Why would we need a data
repository, concurrency management, connection management services to
store a single node of xml or a node name? Clearly there are many
solutions available thanks to the versatility of .net and windows, but
the option I would choose is:
Use GlobalAlloc (dll import) to allocate an area of shared memory to
hold the XML node / node name. Then grab the handle to the 2nd
application from its window name (simple stuff) and send it a custom
message to alert it that the contents of the global memory have
changed. Finally, override WndProc to process the message and retrieve
the node name.
Granted, thats perhaps not the most elegant solution as it involves
importing potentially unsafe code, but I have had issues with windows
interfering in socket communication by alerting the user to sockets /
ports being opened. This also could raise potential firewall issues.
Im sure there are ways around these though.
Hope that helps,
Matt
P.s. whats with the XML hating? Considering its more or less the
standard in most major communication protocols (except TCP/IP)
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