No ASP.NET in express edition ?

[Greg]

Is there no ASP.NET in C# express edition ?

[Mark Rae]

"Greg" <im*****@hotmail.co.ukwrote in message
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Is there no ASP.NET in C# express edition ?

Are you looking for this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/ ?

[Greg]

Are you looking for this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/ ?

Well, no I was not, I am coming from a desktop programming background
(BASIC not VB, Delphi, C++) I know very little of web technology
details beyond static HTML. I've looked briefly at Javascript but I
don't really understand its useage.

The idea of a "web enabled" application is kind of understandable, it
is like a desktop app but the server and browser are acting somewhat
like the OS UI, right ?

Actually I was wondering why there is no "ASP.NET" project type in the
C# express edition, and if it exists in other versions. When I click
new project there is no ASP.NET option.

Visual Web dev looks interesting, but there again it adds to the
confusion. What can't it do on a web app that ASP.NET / C# can do ?

[John Timney \(MVP\)]

The express products are broken down so that hobbyists can dabble and create
apps for the environments they are looking to work in. If you expect to
create full blown apps for web/desktop/remoting, integration etc. then they
expect you to buy Visual Studio.NET which has all the tools combined. The
VWD has the extra bits to drag and drop asp.net controls onto forms, and
invoke test web servers, its a really easy install and great for a free
product so give it a try.

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John Timney (MVP)
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>Are you looking for this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/
?

Well, no I was not, I am coming from a desktop programming background
(BASIC not VB, Delphi, C++) I know very little of web technology
details beyond static HTML. I've looked briefly at Javascript but I
don't really understand its useage.

The idea of a "web enabled" application is kind of understandable, it
is like a desktop app but the server and browser are acting somewhat
like the OS UI, right ?

Actually I was wondering why there is no "ASP.NET" project type in the
C# express edition, and if it exists in other versions. When I click
new project there is no ASP.NET option.

Visual Web dev looks interesting, but there again it adds to the
confusion. What can't it do on a web app that ASP.NET / C# can do ?

[Greg]

John Timney (MVP) wrote:

The express products are broken down so that hobbyists can dabble and create
apps for the environments they are looking to work in. If you expect to
create full blown apps for web/desktop/remoting, integration etc. then they
expect you to buy Visual Studio.NET which has all the tools combined. The
VWD has the extra bits to drag and drop asp.net controls onto forms, and
invoke test web servers, its a really easy install and great for a free
product so give it a try.

I am trying but, I already have scratched the surface of Visual Studio
2003, which I have installed, but this VWD is not compatible is it ?

[Greg]

Greg wrote:

expect you to buy Visual Studio.NET which has all the tools combined. The
VWD has the extra bits to drag and drop asp.net controls onto forms, and
invoke test web servers, its a really easy install and great for a free
product so give it a try.

I am trying but, I already have scratched the surface of Visual Studio
2003, which I have installed, but this VWD is not compatible is it ?

Basically I don't see the WYSIWIG in the free VWD, whereas Visual
Studio shows the page as you will see it. Is there a way to invoke the
graphical interface ?

[Greg]

roger_27 wrote:

are you looking for the IDE for asp.net pages ? I have never used express,
but 2005 proffessional has ASP pages in a different place, you need to go to
File New web Site

you cant just do File new project

hope this helps.

I can see there is a difference between VS.NET and the Express
editions. C# is easy enough to pick up if you know C++. Between C#,
ASP and HTML there is too much to learn together, unless you are
already familliar with some of these I think it is best to go on a
course to learn them.

[John Timney \(MVP\)]

Thats half the fun of the express products........learn from the examples
and from samples on the web. Developing for asp.net is not that different,
it uses c# if thats your preferred language at least. Whats different is
the environment your working in is one thats techncially disconnected at the
client and the server and you have to learn about http, webservers and the
asp.net objects for .net 2.0.

Theres some good tutorials about, and some very good books. Stick with it,
you'll get the hang of it.
Get VWD insalled and have a go at some of the examples here:
http://www.w3schools.com/aspnet/default.asp

and here:

http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/aspplus/

--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog
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>
roger_27 wrote:

>are you looking for the IDE for asp.net pages ? I have never used
express,
but 2005 proffessional has ASP pages in a different place, you need to go
to
File New web Site

you cant just do File new project

hope this helps.

I can see there is a difference between VS.NET and the Express
editions. C# is easy enough to pick up if you know C++. Between C#,
ASP and HTML there is too much to learn together, unless you are
already familliar with some of these I think it is best to go on a
course to learn them.

[Greg]

John Timney (MVP) wrote:

Thats half the fun of the express products........learn from the examples
and from samples on the web. Developing for asp.net is not that different,
it uses c# if thats your preferred language at least. Whats different is
the environment your working in is one thats techncially disconnected at the
client and the server and you have to learn about http, webservers and the
asp.net objects for .net 2.0.

Theres some good tutorials about, and some very good books. Stick with it,
you'll get the hang of it.
Get VWD insalled and have a go at some of the examples here:
http://www.w3schools.com/aspnet/default.asp

and here:

http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/aspplus/

--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog

I was just looking at the source on your own site and I am confused:
Your own pages look as though they were typed in or edited by hand, I
thought most professional web designers generated the web pages by
other means.

[John Timney \(MVP\)]

"Greg" <im*****@hotmail.co.ukwrote in message
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>
John Timney (MVP) wrote:

>Thats half the fun of the express products........learn from the examples
and from samples on the web. Developing for asp.net is not that
different,
it uses c# if thats your preferred language at least. Whats different is
the environment your working in is one thats techncially disconnected at
the
client and the server and you have to learn about http, webservers and
the
asp.net objects for .net 2.0.

Theres some good tutorials about, and some very good books. Stick with
it,
you'll get the hang of it.
Get VWD insalled and have a go at some of the examples here:
http://www.w3schools.com/aspnet/default.asp

and here:

http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/aspplus/

--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog

I was just looking at the source on your own site and I am confused:
Your own pages look as though they were typed in or edited by hand, I
thought most professional web designers generated the web pages by
other means.

They layout and design was indeed edited by hand. Personally, I dont know
that many professionals who do their initial site layout using tools from
start to finish, though I use Dreamweaver on occasion for complex table
nesting etc. and Paintshop Pro or Photoshop for image editing.

The draft design (html) was then converted into master pages just to see how
easy it was to take an existing site and convert it into a web project in
VWD. It took about 30 minutes to convert the html to asp.net controls and
add the RSS feed logic, as well as recreating the master page templates for
the site with the CSS it uses and the image files. Now its just a very
simple fairly self managing site. The addition of the out-of-the box blog
software was also easy, although that again took some hand cranking to get
correct.

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Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
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