Who is Jesus?
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine
within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult
your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn
out of context:
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power
he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily,
verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he
seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine
own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just;
because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also
the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own
admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not
all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon
nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom
he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my
Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17. He
is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God
why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then
couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?"
Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer
(Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time
nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24. "God
is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in
truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any
time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that
Jesus was not God.
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of
Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than
I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus
responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that
is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself
and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither
came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear
evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with
God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in
St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into
the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he
would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he
would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of
another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and
therefore Jesus is not God.
Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is
false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented
in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What is the word of God about Jesus:
A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are
doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him!
When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an
19:34,35).
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have
indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it
and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down
crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and
it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the
heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant (Qur'an
19:88-93).
Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only
the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a
spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in the
heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)
B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary,
the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified
him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at
variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no
knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not
slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him; God is
Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will
assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day
he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
36  1560 
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 02:36:17 -0800, makanewalo wrote:
Who is Jesus?
Fuck Jesus and fuck the horse he rode in on.
Dude, you're not doing yourself or your "cause" any favors by posting this
discussion in this venue. It only demonstrates your contempt for the rest of
us who abide by the rules agreed upon by ourselves and those who host the
newsgroup. It also demonstrates that you are willing to perform an immoral
and unethical act to promote what you consider to be a moral and ethical
religion, which does your "cause" no favors either, because it demonstrates
that at least one adherent to your "cause" is a hypocrite (you). I am
embarassed for you.
Get yourself a blog. Blogs are free on Google. And before your propose to
remove the mote from another's eye, make sure you don't have a plank in your
own.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Logostician http://unclechutney.blogspot.com
There is a madness to my method.
Kevin,
You are free to answer, but you know what I want to write and in that I am
free to.
Cor
Actually, I think it was a donkey.
Robin S.
---------------------------
"Bhagat Gurtu" <bh******@hindiblogs.comwrote in message
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 02:36:17 -0800, makanewalo wrote:
>Who is Jesus?
Fuck Jesus and fuck the horse he rode in on.
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:10:16 -0800, RobinS wrote:
Actually, I think it was a donkey.
Donkey implement IHorse so statement should be: Fuck Jesus and fuck the
IHorse he rode in on.
What a stupid fuck.
Bhagat Gurtu wrote:
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:10:16 -0800, RobinS wrote:
Actually, I think it was a donkey.
Donkey implement IHorse so statement should be: Fuck Jesus and fuck the
IHorse he rode in on.
Please limit your posts to forums where you're likely to find someone
interested in your diatribe.
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Visual C#, System.Drawing
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Who is Jesus?
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine
within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult
your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn
out of context:
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power
he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily,
verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he
seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine
own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just;
because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also
the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own
admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not
all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon
nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom
he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my
Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17. He
is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God
why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then
couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?"
Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer
(Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time
nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24. "God
is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in
truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any
time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that
Jesus was not God.
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of
Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than
I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus
responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that
is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself
and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither
came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear
evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with
God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in
St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into
the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he
would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he
would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of
another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and
therefore Jesus is not God.
Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is
false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented
in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What is the word of God about Jesus:
A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are
doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him!
When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an
19:34,35).
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have
indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it
and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down
crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and
it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the
heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant (Qur'an
19:88-93).
Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only
the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a
spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in the
heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)
B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary,
the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified
him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at
variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no
knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not
slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him; God is
Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will
assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day
he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
Well, either way, I thought it was rude.
I respect other peoples' religions and religious
figures, and hope that others will do the same
for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others
with different beliefs; that's their right,
as far as I'm concerned.
Seems you have a thing about Christianity.
The irony is that the original post was for
Islam, not for Christianity.
And the whole thread has absolutely nothing to
do with C#.
Robin S.
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:10:16 -0800, RobinS wrote:
>Actually, I think it was a donkey.
Donkey implement IHorse so statement should be: Fuck Jesus and fuck the
IHorse he rode in on.
Hi Bob,
"Diatribe"... great word!
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Please limit your posts to forums where you're likely to find someone
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Visual C#, System.Drawing
Ramuseco Limited .NET consulting
http://www.ramuseco.com
Find great Windows Forms articles in Windows Forms Tips and Tricks
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>Who is Jesus?
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine
within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult
your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn
out of context:
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power
he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily,
verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he
seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine
own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just;
because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also
the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own
admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not
all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon
nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom
he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my
Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17. He
is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God
why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then
couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?"
Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer
(Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time
nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24. "God
is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in
truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any
time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that
Jesus was not God.
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of
Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than
I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus
responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that
is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself
and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither
came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear
evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with
God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in
St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into
the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he
would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he
would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of
another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and
therefore Jesus is not God.
Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is
false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented
in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What is the word of God about Jesus:
A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are
doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him!
When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an
19:34,35).
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have
indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it
and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down
crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and
it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the
heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant (Qur'an
19:88-93).
Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only
the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a
spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in the
heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)
B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary,
the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified
him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at
variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no
knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not
slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him; God is
Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will
assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day
he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
Sounded a bit more like "drivel" to me.
:-)
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"Dave Sexton" wrote:
Hi Bob,
"Diatribe"... great word!
--
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"Bob Powell [MVP]" <bob@_spamkiller_bobpowell.netwrote in message
news:ud**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Please limit your posts to forums where you're likely to find someone
interested in your diatribe.
--
Bob Powell [MVP]
Visual C#, System.Drawing
Ramuseco Limited .NET consulting
http://www.ramuseco.com
Find great Windows Forms articles in Windows Forms Tips and Tricks
http://www.bobpowell.net/tipstricks.htm
Answer those GDI+ questions with the GDI+ FAQ
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<ma*********@hotmail.comwrote in message
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Who is Jesus?
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine
within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult
your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn
out of context:
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power
he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily,
verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he
seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine
own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just;
because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also
the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own
admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not
all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon
nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom
he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my
Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17. He
is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God
why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then
couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?"
Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer
(Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time
nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24. "God
is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in
truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any
time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that
Jesus was not God.
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of
Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than
I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus
responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that
is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself
and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither
came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear
evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with
God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in
St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into
the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he
would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he
would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of
another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and
therefore Jesus is not God.
Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is
false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented
in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What is the word of God about Jesus:
A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are
doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him!
When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an
19:34,35).
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have
indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it
and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down
crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and
it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the
heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant (Qur'an
19:88-93).
Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only
the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a
spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in the
heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)
B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary,
the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified
him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at
variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no
knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not
slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him; God is
Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will
assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day
he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
Hi Peter,
Lol. Actually, I didn't read that crap. I was just stating how much I
liked the word.
Sorry, "drivel" is not as great as "diatribe"!
;)
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"Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]" <pb*******@yahoo.nospammin.comwrote in message
news:87**********************************@microsof t.com...
Sounded a bit more like "drivel" to me.
:-)
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"Dave Sexton" wrote:
>Hi Bob,
"Diatribe"... great word!
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Please limit your posts to forums where you're likely to find someone
interested in your diatribe.
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Who is Jesus?
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for
doctrine
within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult
your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn
out of context:
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the
power
he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily,
verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he
seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine
own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just;
because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which
hath
sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also
the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own
admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is
not
all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call
upon
nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom
he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my
Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17.
He
is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God
why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then
couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?"
Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer
(Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any
time
nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24.
"God
is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and
in
truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any
time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that
Jesus was not God.
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth
of
Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than
I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus
responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that
is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself
and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither
came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear
evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with
God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in
St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into
the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he
would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he
would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of
another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and
therefore Jesus is not God.
Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity
is
false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented
in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What is the word of God about Jesus:
A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they
are
doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him!
When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an
19:34,35).
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You
have
indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of
it
and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down
crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and
it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the
heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant (Qur'an
19:88-93).
Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only
the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a
spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in
the
heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)
B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary,
the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified
him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at
variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have
no
knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not
slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him; God is
Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but
will
assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day
he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:r_******************************@comcast.com. ..
Well, either way, I thought it was rude.
I respect other peoples' religions and religious
figures, and hope that others will do the same
for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others
with different beliefs; that's their right,
as far as I'm concerned.
Seems you have a thing about Christianity.
The irony is that the original post was for
Islam, not for Christianity.
You mean you actually read that? I stopped at "Who is Jesus?".
Jon Slaughter wrote:
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:r_******************************@comcast.com. ..
>>The irony is that the original post was for
Islam, not for Christianity.
Opps, sorry, this is better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_I_Am_Not_a_Muslim
>
You mean you actually read that? I stopped at "Who is Jesus?".
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 10:29:18 -0800, RobinS wrote:
Well, either way, I thought it was rude. I respect other peoples'
religions and religious figures, and hope that others will do the same
for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others with different beliefs;
that's their right, as far as I'm concerned.
Seems you have a thing about Christianity. The irony is that the
original post was for Islam, not for Christianity.
I be annoyed by posting of the religion matter here. That person he did
not post to another usenet place, only
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp group.
All regligion be annoying, it be symptom of the mental deficiency or the
wetware virus. Xtianity, isLamb, Hindu etc just virus, I be sorry for the
infected people.
Bhagat,
I thought that I have seen it in more newsgroups. However in those is more
dicipline not to answer those messages and than they are easy to remove.
Cor
"Bhagat Gurtu" <bh******@hindiblogs.comschreef in bericht
news:pa****************************@hindiblogs.com ...
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 10:29:18 -0800, RobinS wrote:
>Well, either way, I thought it was rude. I respect other peoples'
religions and religious figures, and hope that others will do the same
for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others with different beliefs;
that's their right, as far as I'm concerned.
Seems you have a thing about Christianity. The irony is that the
original post was for Islam, not for Christianity.
I be annoyed by posting of the religion matter here. That person he did
not post to another usenet place, only
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp group.
All regligion be annoying, it be symptom of the mental deficiency or the
wetware virus. Xtianity, isLamb, Hindu etc just virus, I be sorry for the
infected people.
"Jon Slaughter" <Jo***********@Hotmail.comwrote in message
news:rL******************@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et...
>
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:r_******************************@comcast.com. ..
>Well, either way, I thought it was rude.
I respect other peoples' religions and religious
figures, and hope that others will do the same
for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others
with different beliefs; that's their right,
as far as I'm concerned.
Seems you have a thing about Christianity.
The irony is that the original post was for
Islam, not for Christianity.
You mean you actually read that? I stopped at "Who is Jesus?".
I'm compulsive. On one hand, it's a terrible trait (as displayed
here, and when I get home from a trip and have to read all the
newspapers). On the other hand, it's a good trait (once I start
reading a tech book, I have to read the whole thing). ;-)
Robin S.
You mean you go on trips?
;)
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"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:no******************************@comcast.com. ..
>
"Jon Slaughter" <Jo***********@Hotmail.comwrote in message
news:rL******************@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et...
>>
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:r_******************************@comcast.com ...
>>Well, either way, I thought it was rude.
I respect other peoples' religions and religious
figures, and hope that others will do the same
for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others
with different beliefs; that's their right,
as far as I'm concerned.
Seems you have a thing about Christianity.
The irony is that the original post was for
Islam, not for Christianity.
You mean you actually read that? I stopped at "Who is Jesus?".
I'm compulsive. On one hand, it's a terrible trait (as displayed
here, and when I get home from a trip and have to read all the
newspapers). On the other hand, it's a good trait (once I start
reading a tech book, I have to read the whole thing). ;-)
Robin S.
public interface IDude
{
int age;
string name;
IDude dad;
}
public class Jeebus : IDude
{
IDude[] desciples;
public void sayHello()
{
Console.WriteLine("Happy shall they be who " +
"take your little ones and dash them "+
"against the rock. [Ps 137:9]");
}
public Jeebus()
{
age = DateTime.Now.Year;
name = "Jeebus";
dad = "Joseph";
desciples = new IDude[12];
}
}
Hi All,
I would like to request you all.... Please do not make spam....
I think this is a thread for C# technical queries... Please do not
scare the guys who joined newly to this thread like me.
Thanks
-Srinivas ma*********@hotmail.com wrote:
Who is Jesus?
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine
within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult
your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn
out of context:
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power
he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily,
verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he
seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine
own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just;
because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also
the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own
admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not
all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon
nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom
he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my
Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17. He
is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God
why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then
couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?"
Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer
(Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time
nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24. "God
is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in
truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any
time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that
Jesus was not God.
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of
Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than
I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus
responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that
is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself
and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither
came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear
evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with
God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in
St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into
the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he
would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he
would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of
another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and
therefore Jesus is not God.
Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is
false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented
in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What is the word of God about Jesus:
A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are
doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him!
When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an
19:34,35).
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have
indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it
and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down
crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and
it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the
heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant (Qur'an
19:88-93).
Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only
the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a
spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in the
heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)
B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary,
the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified
him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at
variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no
knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not
slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him; God is
Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will
assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day
he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
yep
you are right " Shrinivas "
i agree wid u.
"Smile"
Duggi wrote:
Hi All,
I would like to request you all.... Please do not make spam....
I think this is a thread for C# technical queries... Please do not
scare the guys who joined newly to this thread like me.
Thanks
-Srinivas
ma*********@hotmail.com wrote:
Who is Jesus?
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine
within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult
your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn
out of context:
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power
he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily,
verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he
seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine
own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just;
because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also
the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own
admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not
all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon
nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom
he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my
Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17. He
is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God
why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then
couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?"
Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer
(Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time
nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24. "God
is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in
truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any
time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that
Jesus was not God.
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of
Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than
I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus
responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that
is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself
and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither
came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear
evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with
God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in
St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into
the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he
would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he
would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of
another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and
therefore Jesus is not God.
Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is
false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented
in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What is the word of God about Jesus:
A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are
doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him!
When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an
19:34,35).
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have
indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it
and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down
crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and
it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the
heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant (Qur'an
19:88-93).
Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only
the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a
spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in the
heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)
B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary,
the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified
him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at
variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no
knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not
slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him; God is
Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will
assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day
he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
dude, if you hate Jesus so much, why do you bother posting this crap on
this forum of all places? Why would you spew your inner blackness on
the rest of the people who read this forum? Is there a point to your
post other then make demonstrate your lack of faith? I feel sorry for
you because you will actually have to answer for this if not in this
life then definitely in the next.
On 4 Dec 2006 05:22:57 -0800, "martin" <ma*****@senecadata.comwrote:
>dude, if you hate Jesus so much, why do you bother posting this crap on
this forum of all places? Why would you spew your inner blackness on
the rest of the people who read this forum? Is there a point to your
post other then make demonstrate your lack of faith? I feel sorry for
you because you will actually have to answer for this if not in this
life then definitely in the next.
Hahaha. *I* don't "hate Jesus" myself, but I *do* have an issue with
people who post inappropriate and off-topic stuff to
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Ben Newsam wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 05:22:57 -0800, "martin" <ma*****@senecadata.comwrote:
dude, if you hate Jesus so much, why do you bother posting this crap on
this forum of all places? Why would you spew your inner blackness on
the rest of the people who read this forum? Is there a point to your
post other then make demonstrate your lack of faith? I feel sorry for
you because you will actually have to answer for this if not in this
life then definitely in the next.
Hahaha. *I* don't "hate Jesus" myself, but I *do* have an issue with
people who post inappropriate and off-topic stuff to
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp
Since this is your first post to this thread, it should be obvious that
the comment wasn't directed at you.
I don't know which is more pathetic: people who post provocative
religious diatribes to technical newsgroups, or those who insist on
responding to said diatribes with a stream of anti-religious
invective... regardless of whether it's direct or disguised as coding
cleverness.
The appropriate response to the original spam was silence. While I
realize that yelling "Shut up!" in a concert hall full of chatty people
is to some degree self-defeating, after a while the thing becomes so
irritating that I can't resist.
Shut up. Everyone. Please. Let the thread die, as it should have done
the day it appeared.
Well, yeah, but not terribly often. One has to do one's
duty in regards to one's parental units, especially if
they live far away, as do mine. And a long time ago, I
vaguely remember going to Italy... (her mind wanders off...)
Robin S.
-----------------------
"Dave Sexton" <dave@jwa[remove.this]online.comwrote in message
news:OL**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
You mean you go on trips?
;)
--
Dave Sexton
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:no******************************@comcast.com. ..
>>
"Jon Slaughter" <Jo***********@Hotmail.comwrote in message
news:rL******************@newssvr29.news.prodigy. net...
>>>
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:r_******************************@comcast.co m...
Well, either way, I thought it was rude.
I respect other peoples' religions and religious
figures, and hope that others will do the same
for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others
with different beliefs; that's their right,
as far as I'm concerned.
Seems you have a thing about Christianity.
The irony is that the original post was for
Islam, not for Christianity.
You mean you actually read that? I stopped at "Who is Jesus?".
I'm compulsive. On one hand, it's a terrible trait (as displayed
here, and when I get home from a trip and have to read all the
newspapers). On the other hand, it's a good trait (once I start
reading a tech book, I have to read the whole thing). ;-)
Robin S.
Hi Robin,
I envy you. My vacations consist of staring at the palm tree on Vista's
desktop ;)
--
Dave Sexton
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:4a******************************@comcast.com. ..
Well, yeah, but not terribly often. One has to do one's
duty in regards to one's parental units, especially if
they live far away, as do mine. And a long time ago, I
vaguely remember going to Italy... (her mind wanders off...)
Robin S.
-----------------------
"Dave Sexton" <dave@jwa[remove.this]online.comwrote in message
news:OL**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>You mean you go on trips?
;)
--
Dave Sexton
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:no******************************@comcast.com ...
>>>
"Jon Slaughter" <Jo***********@Hotmail.comwrote in message
news:rL******************@newssvr29.news.prodigy .net...
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:r_******************************@comcast.c om...
Well, either way, I thought it was rude.
I respect other peoples' religions and religious
figures, and hope that others will do the same
for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others
with different beliefs; that's their right,
as far as I'm concerned.
>
Seems you have a thing about Christianity.
The irony is that the original post was for
Islam, not for Christianity.
>
You mean you actually read that? I stopped at "Who is Jesus?".
I'm compulsive. On one hand, it's a terrible trait (as displayed
here, and when I get home from a trip and have to read all the
newspapers). On the other hand, it's a good trait (once I start
reading a tech book, I have to read the whole thing). ;-)
Robin S.
I'm so sorry. Have you tried getting up from your chair? I don't
know what area of what country you live in, but maybe you could get
in your car (if you have one) and drive somewhere a few hours away.
Mountains? Sea? Forest? Plains? (That should cover all the choices except
Arctic Tundra, which I wouldn't really choose for a vacation, but
can respect that others might.) Hang out for a couple of hours,
then drive back. And voila! You've been on a trip. Really, it's
quite simple. ;-)
If it makes you feel any better, I used to work for an oil company,
and wrote applications that ran in the refineries and chemical plants.
I got to travel a *lot*. But it was to unpleasant places that smelled
bad, had terrible weather (many were on the Gulf Coast -- I've never
seen mosquitos that big -- really) and were sort of dangerous.
Okay, that's not making me happy. Back to my memories of Italy...
(her mind wanders off again...)
Robin S.
--------------------
"Dave Sexton" <dave@jwa[remove.this]online.comwrote in message
news:uI**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi Robin,
I envy you. My vacations consist of staring at the palm tree on Vista's
desktop ;)
--
Dave Sexton
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:4a******************************@comcast.com. ..
>Well, yeah, but not terribly often. One has to do one's
duty in regards to one's parental units, especially if
they live far away, as do mine. And a long time ago, I
vaguely remember going to Italy... (her mind wanders off...)
Robin S.
-----------------------
"Dave Sexton" <dave@jwa[remove.this]online.comwrote in message
news:OL**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>You mean you go on trips?
;)
--
Dave Sexton
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:no******************************@comcast.co m...
"Jon Slaughter" <Jo***********@Hotmail.comwrote in message
news:rL******************@newssvr29.news.prodig y.net...
>
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:r_******************************@comcast. com...
>Well, either way, I thought it was rude.
>I respect other peoples' religions and religious
>figures, and hope that others will do the same
>for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others
>with different beliefs; that's their right,
>as far as I'm concerned.
>>
>Seems you have a thing about Christianity.
>The irony is that the original post was for
>Islam, not for Christianity.
>>
>
You mean you actually read that? I stopped at "Who is Jesus?".
I'm compulsive. On one hand, it's a terrible trait (as displayed
here, and when I get home from a trip and have to read all the
newspapers). On the other hand, it's a good trait (once I start
reading a tech book, I have to read the whole thing). ;-)
Robin S.
Hi Robin,
That's good advice, thanks!
But I commonly travel by walking or subway, so I probably won't get too
far...
--
Dave Sexton
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:Nt******************************@comcast.com. ..
I'm so sorry. Have you tried getting up from your chair? I don't
know what area of what country you live in, but maybe you could get
in your car (if you have one) and drive somewhere a few hours away.
Mountains? Sea? Forest? Plains? (That should cover all the choices except
Arctic Tundra, which I wouldn't really choose for a vacation, but
can respect that others might.) Hang out for a couple of hours,
then drive back. And voila! You've been on a trip. Really, it's
quite simple. ;-)
If it makes you feel any better, I used to work for an oil company,
and wrote applications that ran in the refineries and chemical plants.
I got to travel a *lot*. But it was to unpleasant places that smelled
bad, had terrible weather (many were on the Gulf Coast -- I've never
seen mosquitos that big -- really) and were sort of dangerous.
Okay, that's not making me happy. Back to my memories of Italy...
(her mind wanders off again...)
Robin S.
--------------------
"Dave Sexton" <dave@jwa[remove.this]online.comwrote in message
news:uI**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>Hi Robin,
I envy you. My vacations consist of staring at the palm tree on Vista's
desktop ;)
--
Dave Sexton
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:4a******************************@comcast.com ...
>>Well, yeah, but not terribly often. One has to do one's
duty in regards to one's parental units, especially if
they live far away, as do mine. And a long time ago, I
vaguely remember going to Italy... (her mind wanders off...)
Robin S.
-----------------------
"Dave Sexton" <dave@jwa[remove.this]online.comwrote in message
news:OL**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
You mean you go on trips?
;)
--
Dave Sexton
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:no******************************@comcast.c om...
>
"Jon Slaughter" <Jo***********@Hotmail.comwrote in message
news:rL******************@newssvr29.news.prodi gy.net...
>>
>"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
>news:r_******************************@comcast .com...
>>Well, either way, I thought it was rude.
>>I respect other peoples' religions and religious
>>figures, and hope that others will do the same
>>for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others
>>with different beliefs; that's their right,
>>as far as I'm concerned.
>>>
>>Seems you have a thing about Christianity.
>>The irony is that the original post was for
>>Islam, not for Christianity.
>>>
>>
>You mean you actually read that? I stopped at "Who is Jesus?".
>
I'm compulsive. On one hand, it's a terrible trait (as displayed
here, and when I get home from a trip and have to read all the
newspapers). On the other hand, it's a good trait (once I start
reading a tech book, I have to read the whole thing). ;-)
>
Robin S.
>
Hi Dave,
Dave Sexton wrote:
Hi Robin,
That's good advice, thanks!
But I commonly travel by walking or subway, so I probably won't get too
far...
You should move to a civilized country (for example Switzerland ;-)
where pretty much every place is reachable with public transportation ;-)
I'll show you around ;-)
Greetings,
Laurent
--
Laurent Bugnion, GalaSoft
Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch
PhotoAlbum: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch/pictures
Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch
Ah, you live in one of those big cities. Maybe you could take
the subway to an Amtrack station, and then take the train
somewhere. Well, you can dream. Thank goodness for your
Vista wallpaper/screensaver. Good luck.
Robin S.
-----------------------------------
"Dave Sexton" <dave@jwa[remove.this]online.comwrote in message
news:uM**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi Robin,
That's good advice, thanks!
But I commonly travel by walking or subway, so I probably won't get too
far...
--
Dave Sexton
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:Nt******************************@comcast.com. ..
>I'm so sorry. Have you tried getting up from your chair? I don't
know what area of what country you live in, but maybe you could get
in your car (if you have one) and drive somewhere a few hours away.
Mountains? Sea? Forest? Plains? (That should cover all the choices except
Arctic Tundra, which I wouldn't really choose for a vacation, but
can respect that others might.) Hang out for a couple of hours,
then drive back. And voila! You've been on a trip. Really, it's
quite simple. ;-)
If it makes you feel any better, I used to work for an oil company,
and wrote applications that ran in the refineries and chemical plants.
I got to travel a *lot*. But it was to unpleasant places that smelled
bad, had terrible weather (many were on the Gulf Coast -- I've never
seen mosquitos that big -- really) and were sort of dangerous.
Okay, that's not making me happy. Back to my memories of Italy...
(her mind wanders off again...)
Robin S.
--------------------
"Dave Sexton" <dave@jwa[remove.this]online.comwrote in message
news:uI**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>Hi Robin,
I envy you. My vacations consist of staring at the palm tree on Vista's
desktop ;)
--
Dave Sexton
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:4a******************************@comcast.co m...
Well, yeah, but not terribly often. One has to do one's
duty in regards to one's parental units, especially if
they live far away, as do mine. And a long time ago, I
vaguely remember going to Italy... (her mind wanders off...)
Robin S.
-----------------------
"Dave Sexton" <dave@jwa[remove.this]online.comwrote in message
news:OL**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
You mean you go on trips?
>
;)
>
--
Dave Sexton
>
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:no******************************@comcast. com...
>>
>"Jon Slaughter" <Jo***********@Hotmail.comwrote in message
>news:rL******************@newssvr29.news.prod igy.net...
>>>
>>"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
>>news:r_******************************@comcas t.com...
>>>Well, either way, I thought it was rude.
>>>I respect other peoples' religions and religious
>>>figures, and hope that others will do the same
>>>for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others
>>>with different beliefs; that's their right,
>>>as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>
>>>Seems you have a thing about Christianity.
>>>The irony is that the original post was for
>>>Islam, not for Christianity.
>>>>
>>>
>>You mean you actually read that? I stopped at "Who is Jesus?".
>>
>I'm compulsive. On one hand, it's a terrible trait (as displayed
>here, and when I get home from a trip and have to read all the
>newspapers). On the other hand, it's a good trait (once I start
>reading a tech book, I have to read the whole thing). ;-)
>>
>Robin S.
>>
>
>
"Bruce Wood" <br*******@canada.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@j44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
<snip>
Shut up. Everyone. Please. Let the thread die, as it should have done
the day it appeared.
It DOES die, but it keeps getting resurrected!
;-)
Sorry, Bruce, just couldn't resist. I promise, no more from me!
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Logostician http://unclechutney.blogspot.com
There is a madness to my method.
Hi,
I have a practical question. What do you mean by "resurrected"?
In my newsreader, I have to explicitly watch the message for it to be
"resurrected". I could easily stop using the watch feature on this thread
and I won't get any more updates about it. Are there newsreaders that
behave differently that I'm unaware of?
Of course, I really don't condone an original post that is completely
unrelated to the topic of the newsgroup, however because of how my
newsreader works is seems perfectly reasonable to continue posting to the
thread afterwards. What have I missed?
--
Dave Sexton
"Kevin Spencer" <sp**@uce.govwrote in message
news:ua**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
"Bruce Wood" <br*******@canada.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@j44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
<snip>
>Shut up. Everyone. Please. Let the thread die, as it should have done
the day it appeared.
It DOES die, but it keeps getting resurrected!
;-)
Sorry, Bruce, just couldn't resist. I promise, no more from me!
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Logostician
http://unclechutney.blogspot.com
There is a madness to my method.
Dave,
I use Google Groups because the NNTP port is blocked where I am most of
the time. Anyway...Google shows all posts in a group sorted by time
with the newest appearing at the top. Any activity on a thread will
bring that thread back up to the top. I can see how "resurrected"
could be used to describe this behavior. And of course, the choice of
terminology was especially fitting considering the topic of the thread.
Brian
Dave Sexton wrote:
Hi,
I have a practical question. What do you mean by "resurrected"?
In my newsreader, I have to explicitly watch the message for it to be
"resurrected". I could easily stop using the watch feature on this thread
and I won't get any more updates about it. Are there newsreaders that
behave differently that I'm unaware of?
Of course, I really don't condone an original post that is completely
unrelated to the topic of the newsgroup, however because of how my
newsreader works is seems perfectly reasonable to continue posting to the
thread afterwards. What have I missed?
--
Dave Sexton
hahah very good Dave.
*wonders if they are any more exotic than the palm tree in XP*
Dave Sexton wrote:
Hi Robin,
I envy you. My vacations consist of staring at the palm tree on Vista's
desktop ;)
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Dave Sexton
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
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Well, yeah, but not terribly often. One has to do one's
duty in regards to one's parental units, especially if
they live far away, as do mine. And a long time ago, I
vaguely remember going to Italy... (her mind wanders off...)
Robin S.
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"Dave Sexton" <dave@jwa[remove.this]online.comwrote in message
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You mean you go on trips?
;)
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"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:no******************************@comcast.com. ..
"Jon Slaughter" <Jo***********@Hotmail.comwrote in message
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"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
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Well, either way, I thought it was rude.
I respect other peoples' religions and religious
figures, and hope that others will do the same
for mine. I don't proselytize to or judge others
with different beliefs; that's their right,
as far as I'm concerned.
Seems you have a thing about Christianity.
The irony is that the original post was for
Islam, not for Christianity.
You mean you actually read that? I stopped at "Who is Jesus?".
I'm compulsive. On one hand, it's a terrible trait (as displayed
here, and when I get home from a trip and have to read all the
newspapers). On the other hand, it's a good trait (once I start
reading a tech book, I have to read the whole thing). ;-)
Robin S.
Hi Brian,
Ok, fair enough. I promise to stop posting to this ridiculous thread -
after this post, of course :)
(lol: choice of terminology)
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"Brian Gideon" <br*********@yahoo.comwrote in message
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Dave,
I use Google Groups because the NNTP port is blocked where I am most of
the time. Anyway...Google shows all posts in a group sorted by time
with the newest appearing at the top. Any activity on a thread will
bring that thread back up to the top. I can see how "resurrected"
could be used to describe this behavior. And of course, the choice of
terminology was especially fitting considering the topic of the thread.
Brian
Dave Sexton wrote:
>Hi,
I have a practical question. What do you mean by "resurrected"?
In my newsreader, I have to explicitly watch the message for it to be
"resurrected". I could easily stop using the watch feature on this
thread
and I won't get any more updates about it. Are there newsreaders that
behave differently that I'm unaware of?
Of course, I really don't condone an original post that is completely
unrelated to the topic of the newsgroup, however because of how my
newsreader works is seems perfectly reasonable to continue posting to the
thread afterwards. What have I missed?
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Dave Sexton
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