Strange problem

[Larry Smith]

Hi there,

When I run the following on my app's primary thread:

System.Type.GetType("System.Windows.Forms.Form")

It works as expected. If I then launch a thread via the "BackgroundWorker"
class immediately after the above call, and invoke the above again as soon
as the thread starts, it now returns null instead. Can anyone explain this.
Thanks.

[Tom Porterfield]

Larry Smith wrote:

Hi there,

When I run the following on my app's primary thread:

System.Type.GetType("System.Windows.Forms.Form")

It works as expected. If I then launch a thread via the "BackgroundWorker"
class immediately after the above call, and invoke the above again as soon
as the thread starts, it now returns null instead. Can anyone explain
this. Thanks.

Change the call to System.Type.GetType("System.Windows.Forms.Form", true);

This change will cause it to throw an exception if it can't determine the
type. The details in the exception might give you an indication as to what
is going wrong.
--
Tom Porterfield

[Larry Smith]

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Larry Smith wrote:

>Hi there,

When I run the following on my app's primary thread:

System.Type.GetType("System.Windows.Forms.Form" )

It works as expected. If I then launch a thread via the
"BackgroundWorker"
class immediately after the above call, and invoke the above again as
soon
as the thread starts, it now returns null instead. Can anyone explain
this. Thanks.

Change the call to System.Type.GetType("System.Windows.Forms.Form", true);

This change will cause it to throw an exception if it can't determine the
type. The details in the exception might give you an indication as to
what is going wrong.

Thanks very much. It's returning "System.TypeLoadException". Docs state that
the "... common language runtime cannot find the assembly or the type within
the assembly, or cannot load the type". I see no obvious reason for this
although I do have a form going on the primary thread (why should this
matter though). Can you or anyone else comment? Thanks.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Larry Smith <no_spam@_nospam.comwrote:

When I run the following on my app's primary thread:

System.Type.GetType("System.Windows.Forms.Form")

It works as expected. If I then launch a thread via the "BackgroundWorker"
class immediately after the above call, and invoke the above again as soon
as the thread starts, it now returns null instead. Can anyone explain this.

I would expect the above call to return null in either thread,
personally - Type.GetType(string) only looks in the currently executing
assembly and mscorlib unless the assembly details are specified.

In the real code, are you doing this with a string variable instead of
the hard-coded type name? If you only ever want to find the above type,
just use typeof(System.Windows.Forms.Form).

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[Larry Smith]

I would expect the above call to return null in either thread,

personally - Type.GetType(string) only looks in the currently executing
assembly and mscorlib unless the assembly details are specified.

It does work on the main thread but fails on the worker thread as noted.

In the real code, are you doing this with a string variable instead of
the hard-coded type name? If you only ever want to find the above type,
just use typeof(System.Windows.Forms.Form).

No. I'm actually reading the type on-the-fly from a file. I only have the
fully-qualfied path name to work with as a string
("FullNamespace.ClassName"). I need to generate the assembly-qualified name
from this however. It will always be a native .NET type. Can you steer me in
the right direction. Thanks very much.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Larry Smith <no_spam@_nospam.comwrote:

I would expect the above call to return null in either thread,
personally - Type.GetType(string) only looks in the currently executing
assembly and mscorlib unless the assembly details are specified.

It does work on the main thread but fails on the worker thread as noted.

That sounds very odd, and I can't reproduce it. Can you post a short
but complete program which demonstrates it working in the main thread?

In the real code, are you doing this with a string variable instead of
the hard-coded type name? If you only ever want to find the above type,
just use typeof(System.Windows.Forms.Form).

No. I'm actually reading the type on-the-fly from a file. I only have the
fully-qualfied path name to work with as a string
("FullNamespace.ClassName"). I need to generate the assembly-qualified name
from this however. It will always be a native .NET type. Can you steer me in
the right direction. Thanks very much.

Well, either the file needs to specify the assembly as well, or if you
have a list of assemblies to check for all types, you could just keep
Assembly references, and call Assembly.GetType on each of them until
you find a match.

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[Michael Nemtsev]

Hello Larry,

Have u tried to specify fully qualified name of your assembly?

BTW, have u loaded it before calling GetType?

>>When I run the following on my app's primary thread:
System.Type.GetType("System.Windows.Forms.Form ")

It works as expected. If I then launch a thread via the
"BackgroundWorker"
class immediately after the above call, and invoke the above again
as
soon
as the thread starts, it now returns null instead. Can anyone

LSThanks very much. It's returning "System.TypeLoadException". Docs
LSstate that the "... common language runtime cannot find the assembly
LSor the type within the assembly, or cannot load the type". I see no

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cease to be insipid." (c) Friedrich Nietzsche

[Larry Smith]

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Larry Smith <no_spam@_nospam.comwrote:

I would expect the above call to return null in either thread,
personally - Type.GetType(string) only looks in the currently executing
assembly and mscorlib unless the assembly details are specified.

It does work on the main thread but fails on the worker thread as noted.

That sounds very odd, and I can't reproduce it. Can you post a short
but complete program which demonstrates it working in the main thread?

In the real code, are you doing this with a string variable instead of
the hard-coded type name? If you only ever want to find the above type,
just use typeof(System.Windows.Forms.Form).

No. I'm actually reading the type on-the-fly from a file. I only have the
fully-qualfied path name to work with as a string
("FullNamespace.ClassName"). I need to generate the assembly-qualified
name
from this however. It will always be a native .NET type. Can you steer me
in
the right direction. Thanks very much.

Well, either the file needs to specify the assembly as well, or if you
have a list of assemblies to check for all types, you could just keep
Assembly references, and call Assembly.GetType on each of them until
you find a match.

Actually, the "file" I'm reading is source code. I'm reading ".cs" files in
a loaded solution (using an AddIn), extracting the name of a class in the
file (including its namespace), and it's this class whose assembly-qualified
name I want to find (its base class actually). The IDE itself is able to do
this without issue (long story) so presumably I should be able to do it as
well (assuming it's not relying on proprietary functions). I'll see if I can
condense this to a simple working example and post it as soon as I can
(perhaps a day or two). Thanks for your help ...

[Larry Smith]

Hello Larry,

>
Have u tried to specify fully qualified name of your assembly?

All I have to work with is the full namespace and class name. Again, passing
this to "GetType()" works on the main thread (returning the
assembly-qualified name) but not on a worker thread.

BTW, have u loaded it before calling GetType?

I'm not sure what I really need to do. I have a form going on the main
thread so the assembly is obviously loaded, i.e., I can get the
fully-qualifed assembly name by passing "System.Windows.Forms.Form" to
"GetType()". Doing this on a worker thread then fails. Ok, based on what Jon
said I'm guessing that this works because the forms assembly is somehow
bound to the main thread but not to the worker thread. Is this right? In any
case, given only "System.Windows.Forms.Form" to work with or any other
native .NET type for that matter, how can you get the fully-qualifed
assembly name even if the assembly isn't loaded. You don't know which
assembly contains it and you only have this string to work with. Thanks for
your help.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Larry Smith <no_spam@_nospam.comwrote:

Well, either the file needs to specify the assembly as well, or if you
have a list of assemblies to check for all types, you could just keep
Assembly references, and call Assembly.GetType on each of them until
you find a match.

Actually, the "file" I'm reading is source code. I'm reading ".cs" files in
a loaded solution (using an AddIn), extracting the name of a class in the
file (including its namespace), and it's this class whose assembly-qualified
name I want to find (its base class actually). The IDE itself is able to do
this without issue (long story) so presumably I should be able to do it as
well (assuming it's not relying on proprietary functions). I'll see if I can
condense this to a simple working example and post it as soon as I can
(perhaps a day or two). Thanks for your help ...

The IDE has a list of referenced assemblies, so can easily ask each of
those assemblies whether or not it contains a type of the given name.

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[Michael Nemtsev]

Hello Larry,

LSI'm not sure what I really need to do. I have a form going on the
LSmain thread so the assembly is obviously loaded, i.e., I can get the
LSfully-qualifed assembly name by passing "System.Windows.Forms.Form"
LSto "GetType()". Doing this on a worker thread then fails. Ok, based
LSon what Jon said I'm guessing that this works because the forms
LSassembly is somehow bound to the main thread but not to the worker
LSthread. Is this right?

Yep, it seems to be the reason of the problem

LSIn any case, given only
LS"System.Windows.Forms.Form" to work with or any other native .NET
LStype for that matter, how can you get the fully-qualifed assembly
LSname even if the assembly isn't loaded. You don't know which
LSassembly contains it and you only have this string to work with.

Try to load assembly it in your background thread before GetType call
You can end up with that you can't load assembly, then u need to use Reflector/ILDASM
to get the fully-qualifed name for loading
System.Windows.Forms, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089

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cease to be insipid." (c) Friedrich Nietzsche

[Larry Smith]

The IDE has a list of referenced assemblies, so can easily ask each of

those assemblies whether or not it contains a type of the given name.

Ok, I created a separate test app out-of-the-box and you're right, a call to
"GetType("System.Windows.Forms.Form") does return null on the main thread as
well. In my own app however, it does work on the main thread as discussed.
I'm not entirely sure why without a wider investigation but obviously the
assembly is loaded in my own app (and already bound to the main thread) but
not in the test app (though both apps are running a form at the time of
call). In any case, none of this really matters since I'll be dealing with
arbitrary types anyway (not just forms) and have to proceed as if the
assembly is not loaded. That being the case, do you know what the general
steps are for doing this. Since I'm just reading ".cs" files in a project,
looking for the "Type" of classes defined in these files (their base classes
that is), I'm assuming that for each base class I'm interested in, I can
just iterate all referenced assemblies in the project looking for the class'
type (e.g., "System.Windows.Forms.Form" for instance). By "referenced
assemblies", I mean those assemblies listed under the "References" folder
seen under all projects in Solution Explorer (since all base classes in all
".cs" files must be referenced there presumably - is this correct?). If this
is in fact correct (I believe so), do you know which functions I now need to
be looking at to accomplish this. I already know how to get the list of
assemblies seen under the "References" folder of each project but which
functions do I then call in order to look up a string in the form
"<NameSpace>.<ClassName>" (in order to return its assembly-qualified name).

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Larry Smith <no_spam@_nospam.comwrote:

<snip>

I'm assuming that for each base class I'm interested in, I can
just iterate all referenced assemblies in the project looking for the class'
type (e.g., "System.Windows.Forms.Form" for instance). By "referenced
assemblies", I mean those assemblies listed under the "References" folder
seen under all projects in Solution Explorer (since all base classes in all
".cs" files must be referenced there presumably - is this correct?). If this
is in fact correct (I believe so), do you know which functions I now need to
be looking at to accomplish this. I already know how to get the list of
assemblies seen under the "References" folder of each project but which
functions do I then call in order to look up a string in the form
"<NameSpace>.<ClassName>" (in order to return its assembly-qualified name).

Well, rather than using the assembly-qualified name, you could load the
assemblies (once) and then call Assembly.GetType on each of the
assemblies.

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[Günter Prossliner]

Hello Larry!

>The IDE has a list of referenced assemblies, so can easily ask each
of those assemblies whether or not it contains a type of the given
name.

What do you meen by "the IDE" in this context? The IDE doen't matter here.

... but obviously the assembly is loaded in my own app (and
already bound to the main thread)

An Assembly is never bound to a Thread, only to an AppDomain.

Are you absolutly sure that it isn't something in you code that causes the
error? If you are not able to reproduce this, it will be hard (likely
impossible) for anybody (including MS Support Team) to find out what may be
wrong.

and have to proceed as if the assembly is not
loaded.

You can easly get any Type-Instance of a Type in a (as far) not loaded
Assembly by specifing the Assembly-Qualified Name.

If the Assembly has not been loaded, it will be loaded by this operation,
and the class (and depend classes) will be initialized.

Of cause the Assembly must be reachable in any way (eigther through GAC
installation or through being within the search-path). It doesn't matter if
the assembly is reference or not. It must be just there.

That being the case, do you know what the general steps are
for doing this. Since I'm just reading ".cs" files in a project,

You source .cs files??? This sounds like a compilation time "feature".

looking for the "Type" of classes defined in these files (their base
classes that is), I'm assuming that for each base class I'm
interested in, I can just iterate all referenced assemblies in the
project looking for the class' type (e.g.,
"System.Windows.Forms.Form" for instance). By "referenced
assemblies", I mean those assemblies listed under the "References"
folder seen under all projects in Solution Explorer

Forget about this IDE things. At runtime there is no IDE.

An example:
You can set a reference to anything you like within your IDE. The referenced
Assemblies will only be included as references within the Assemblies
Manifest if they are _actually used_ by your code.

You can get a List of referenced Assemblies by calling the Assemblies
"GetReferencedAssemblies()" method. But it will only return "AssemblyName"
objects. If you need the "Assembly" Instance you have to go through
AppDomain.GetAssemblies() or through Assembly.Load().

(since all base
classes in all ".cs" files must be referenced there presumably - is
this correct?).

Yes.

I already know how to get the list of assemblies seen under the
"References" folder of each project but which functions do I then
call in order to look up a string in the form
"<NameSpace>.<ClassName>" (in order to return its assembly-qualified
name).

From the CLR's point of view the Namespace is just on part of the Assembly's
name (there is no "Namespace" property of the Assembly). What would be
possible (but I won't recomment this) is to get all Types of an Assembly by
it's .GetTypes() method and to lookup the Namespace.ClassName Type within
that list.
Do not use this that way. Just use Assembly Qualified Names and all will
work "automaticly". Do do not have to care about when an Assembly will be
loaded or something like that.

Type t = Type.GetType("System.Windows.Forms.Form, System.Windows.Forms,
Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089");
If you do not what to specify this "long and complex" Assembly Qualified
Name (it is realy not very user-friendly ;-)), setup a kind of default
(fallback) logic. If you are dealing with Types from strings there will be a
configuration file (or other form of persistent storage) which holds this
strings.

You can implement a simple "Namespace->Assembly Parameters" mapping:

e.g.

<anyTag>

<assemblyMappings>

<assemblyMapping
namespace="System.Windows.Forms"
version="2.0"
culture="neutral"
publicKeyToken="b77a5...." />

<assemblyMapping
namespace="...."
...
/>

</assemblyMappings>

</anyTag>

* If a full assembly qualified name is entered, you don't have to do
anything
* If the name is only "Namespace.Class", you have to lookup within the
"assemblyMappings" to get the other parameters
* If no corresponding "assemblyMapping" is found, throw an Exception
(configuration error).

Now you have the Assembly Qualified Name, which can be passed to
Type.GetType(...).

By using the Architecture, you can avoid all unnessersary Reflection stuff,
looping through Assemblies, References and Types.


GP

[Larry Smith]

Well, rather than using the assembly-qualified name, you could load the

assemblies (once) and then call Assembly.GetType on each of the
assemblies.

That definitely looks promising (probably what I'm after). Thanks again for
your help.

[Larry Smith]

Thanks for your detailed feedback (appreciated).

What do you meen by "the IDE" in this context? The IDE doen't matter here.

It does in this case. I'm working on an AddIn which runs in the IDE :)

An Assembly is never bound to a Thread, only to an AppDomain.

I was really speaking figuratively. That is, the call to "GetType()" returns
the correct value when invoked from my app's main thread but not a worker
thread. Since a form is running on the main thread at the time I invoke
"GetType()", and I'm passing "System.Windows.Forms.Form" to this (and the
function succeeds), it seems likely that some type of affinity must exist
between the loaded (forms) assembly and the main thread. Otherwise, why does
the same call fail on a worker thread.

Are you absolutly sure that it isn't something in you code that causes the
error? If you are not able to reproduce this, it will be hard (likely
impossible) for anybody (including MS Support Team) to find out what may
be wrong.

The behaviour is consistent (reproducible) in my own app. If I call
"GetType()" on my app's primary thread and it succeeds, and then I
immediately lauch my thread on the very next line and call "GetType()" again
(as soon as the thread starts), why should it now fail? I don't see what I
could be doing that would cause this.

You can easly get any Type-Instance of a Type in a (as far) not loaded
Assembly by specifing the Assembly-Qualified Name

I don't have the Assembly-Qualified name which is the issue. That's what I'm
trying to find given only a namespace and class name.

You source .cs files??? This sounds like a compilation time "feature".

Exactly.

Forget about this IDE things. At runtime there is no IDE.

I'm writing an AddIn which runs in the IDE.

>
An example:
You can set a reference to anything you like within your IDE. The
referenced Assemblies will only be included as references within the
Assemblies Manifest if they are _actually used_ by your code.

You can get a List of referenced Assemblies by calling the Assemblies
"GetReferencedAssemblies()" method. But it will only return "AssemblyName"
objects. If you need the "Assembly" Instance you have to go through
AppDomain.GetAssemblies() or through Assembly.Load().

This AddIn is targetting a project in someone else's solution (reading the
source files of each project in the solution). I have to target the
referenced assemblies in each project that the AddIn is processing. The .NET
extensibility API allows you to read the "References" folder for any project
in Solution Explorer. From this I can get the referenced assemblies, load
them one-by-one and invoke "Assembly.GetType()" as Jon suggested in his last
post. I think that may solve the problem.

From the CLR's point of view the Namespace is just on part of the
Assembly's name (there is no "Namespace" property of the Assembly). What
would be possible (but I won't recomment this) is to get all Types of an
Assembly by it's .GetTypes() method and to lookup the Namespace.ClassName
Type within that list.

I was going to try that but I think "Assembly.GetType()" will do what I need
instead (again, as suggested by Jon). Otherwise, what other choice do I have
but to manually search all types returned by "GetTypes()".

Do not use this that way. Just use Assembly Qualified Names and all will
work "automaticly". Do do not have to care about when an Assembly will be
loaded or something like that.

While I appreciate your recommendation (detailed in the remainder of your
post), it won't work if I understand you correctly. You likely didn't
appreciate that nature of my app however (since I really haven't spelled out
much detail). The app will be running in the IDE as a VS AddIn. It has to
read ".cs" files in the currently loaded solution, identify classes in these
files (whose types I don't know ahead of time), and then retrieve the
assembly-qualified name of these classes (given only the namespace and class
name read from the ".cs" file). I think the method for doing this is now
sinking in. As I read each class in a given ".cs" file (its base class
actually), I can then iterate the project's references and load each
assembly one-by-one, invoking "Assembly.GetType()" until it returns
non-null. Would you agree this is the corret approach (it now appears so).

Thanks again for your help (any further comments welcome).

[Günter Prossliner]

Hi Larry!

>What do you meen by "the IDE" in this context? The IDE doen't matter
here.

It does in this case. I'm working on an AddIn which runs in the IDE :)

This makes most of my posting obsolete ;-) Sorry for that!

Ist the problem reproducable by an mini-AddIn?

GP

[Larry Smith]

"Günter Prossliner" <g.prossliner/gmx/atwrote in message
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Hi Larry!

>>What do you meen by "the IDE" in this context? The IDE doen't matter
here.

It does in this case. I'm working on an AddIn which runs in the IDE :)

This makes most of my posting obsolete ;-) Sorry for that!

Ist the problem reproducable by an mini-AddIn?

I haven't tried it that way, only in a standalone (test) app where it fails
on the primary thread as mentioned in an earlier post. Why it works in my
AddIn is anymone's guess at this point. It probably doesn't matter as much
anymore however since it really needs to be done the way I mentioned in my
last post (AFAIK at this point). I almost certainly will investigate this
further at some later point however. I need to ensure it's not symptomatic
of some other other problem that could come back to bite me. Anyway, thanks
again for your help (very much appreciated).

[Ben Voigt]

"Larry Smith" <no_spam@_nospam.comwrote in message
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"Günter Prossliner" <g.prossliner/gmx/atwrote in message
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>Hi Larry!

>>>What do you meen by "the IDE" in this context? The IDE doen't matter
here.

It does in this case. I'm working on an AddIn which runs in the IDE :)

This makes most of my posting obsolete ;-) Sorry for that!

Ist the problem reproducable by an mini-AddIn?

I haven't tried it that way, only in a standalone (test) app where it
fails on the primary thread as mentioned in an earlier post. Why it works
in my AddIn is anymone's guess at this point. It probably doesn't matter
as much anymore however since it really needs to be done the way I
mentioned in my last post (AFAIK at this point). I almost certainly will
investigate this further at some later point however. I need to ensure
it's not symptomatic of some other other problem that could come back to
bite me. Anyway, thanks again for your help (very much appreciated).

I think you have the right way of doing it now, I would just additionally
suggest that you cache the result of the lookup (whether success or failure)
to avoid searching for the same name over and over.

Also, are you handling "using" directives? Remember there are two kinds of
using directive, one which adds a namespace to the search scope, and one
which introduces an alias for a single type.

[cody]

>Ist the problem reproducable by an mini-AddIn?

>
I haven't tried it that way, only in a standalone (test) app where it fails
on the primary thread as mentioned in an earlier post. Why it works in my
AddIn is anymone's guess at this point. It probably doesn't matter as much
anymore however since it really needs to be done the way I mentioned in my
last post (AFAIK at this point). I almost certainly will investigate this
further at some later point however. I need to ensure it's not symptomatic
of some other other problem that could come back to bite me. Anyway, thanks
again for your help (very much appreciated).

Does you test app have a reference to the System.Windows.Forms.dll?