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DISCUSSION: About the Comega language.

I've been reading about and trying out Cw from microsoft research.

http://research.microsoft.com/Comega..._startpage.htm

My first cent is that the language is weird but have potential. I have more
cents on the subject but are eager to hear what others have to say.

In future versions of Visual Studio, we will be able to mix languages in a
project. Hence classes that sport a lot of SQL and/or XML could perhaps
benefit from this new weird language.

What I want your opinion on is:

- Is it codable?
- Is it readable?
- Will it help in system development?
- Will you use it?

Happy Discussion
- Michael S

ps.
I hope my favourite gurus Jon, Bruce and Joanna have some input.

pps.
Yesterday I flamed a post for being off-topic. But I choose to ignore that
just now. =)


Nov 17 '05 #1
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Michael,

How dare you go off topic!!!

Just kidding.

As for whether or not you will be able to mix languages in a project,
no, you will not. I don't see this as being doable anytime in the near
future. However, this doesn't mean that you can't mix languages in the same
assembly. You can always compile projects into netmodules and then link
them into a single assembly.

As for comments on Cw, I think that it definitely has its uses, but I
think those uses are specialized. For a general purpose programming
language, I think that it could actually hamper some operations. However,
if your space requires this kind of functionality, then by all means, go for
it. It reminds me of my FoxPro days, where data was more of an ambient
entity than encapsulated in constructs.

One of the beauties of .NET is that you can have all of these different
languages, each with their strengths and weaknesses, and you can make them
all work with each other rather easily, since they all compile down to IL.

Hope this helps.
--
- Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
- mv*@spam.guard.caspershouse.com

"Michael S" <a@b.c> wrote in message
news:uW**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
I've been reading about and trying out Cw from microsoft research.

http://research.microsoft.com/Comega..._startpage.htm

My first cent is that the language is weird but have potential. I have
more cents on the subject but are eager to hear what others have to say.

In future versions of Visual Studio, we will be able to mix languages in a
project. Hence classes that sport a lot of SQL and/or XML could perhaps
benefit from this new weird language.

What I want your opinion on is:

- Is it codable?
- Is it readable?
- Will it help in system development?
- Will you use it?

Happy Discussion
- Michael S

ps.
I hope my favourite gurus Jon, Bruce and Joanna have some input.

pps.
Yesterday I flamed a post for being off-topic. But I choose to ignore that
just now. =)



Nov 17 '05 #2
> Hence classes that sport a lot of SQL

C Omega is defintiely interesting. IF you are interested in the SQL aspects, check this out:
http://www.codeproject.com/dotnet/CSharpSQL.asp
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Nov 17 '05 #3
Michael S <a@b.c> wrote:
I've been reading about and trying out Cw from microsoft research.

http://research.microsoft.com/Comega..._startpage.htm

My first cent is that the language is weird but have potential. I have more
cents on the subject but are eager to hear what others have to say.


I can't say I'm nuts about it - it feels too much like a mishmash of
concerns. *However*, there's another project which I'd *really* like to
see come to light: http://research.microsoft.com/specsharp/

Expressing constraints as part of the method signature rather than just
in documentation (which can go out of date) and in testing the
constraints in the method body (which can be easy to forget) sounds
great - and of course there's the provability aspect...

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Nov 17 '05 #4
Jon Skeet [C# MVP] <sk***@pobox.com> wrote in
news:MP***********************@msnews.microsoft.co m:
Expressing constraints as part of the method signature rather than
just in documentation (which can go out of date) and in testing the
constraints in the method body (which can be easy to forget) sounds
great - and of course there's the provability aspect...


Liek Eiffel. :)
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Nov 17 '05 #5
Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu <cp**@hower.org> wrote:
Jon Skeet [C# MVP] <sk***@pobox.com> wrote in
news:MP***********************@msnews.microsoft.co m:
Expressing constraints as part of the method signature rather than
just in documentation (which can go out of date) and in testing the
constraints in the method body (which can be easy to forget) sounds
great - and of course there's the provability aspect...


Liek Eiffel. :)


Absolutely - but with what I regard to be a more readable syntax, and
targetting .NET :)

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Nov 17 '05 #6
Jon Skeet [C# MVP] <sk***@pobox.com> wrote in news:MPG.1d3fa6c52646ba1f98c494
@msnews.microsoft.com:
Absolutely - but with what I regard to be a more readable syntax, and
targetting .NET :)


Eiffel works on .NET too. :)

Mind you not that I would choose Eiffel over C#, but just pointing out...
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Nov 17 '05 #7
Hi,

If you are interested, a blog about SpecSharp :
http://www.xenopz.com/blog/bartdeboe...0contract.aspx

Regards,
Bart

http://www.xenopz.com

Jon Skeet [C# MVP] <sk***@pobox.com> wrote in message news:<MP***********************@msnews.microsoft.c om>...
Michael S <a@b.c> wrote:
I've been reading about and trying out Cw from microsoft research.

http://research.microsoft.com/Comega..._startpage.htm

My first cent is that the language is weird but have potential. I have more
cents on the subject but are eager to hear what others have to say.


I can't say I'm nuts about it - it feels too much like a mishmash of
concerns. *However*, there's another project which I'd *really* like to
see come to light: http://research.microsoft.com/specsharp/

Expressing constraints as part of the method signature rather than just
in documentation (which can go out of date) and in testing the
constraints in the method body (which can be easy to forget) sounds
great - and of course there's the provability aspect...

Nov 17 '05 #8
Bart <ba**********@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you are interested, a blog about SpecSharp :
http://www.xenopz.com/blog/bartdeboe...0contract.aspx


That's great - thanks very much.

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Nov 17 '05 #9
The omegaengine (www.omegaengine.com) is a forum for discussing Cw
(C-Omega) - Perhaps you can get some useful information from there

-Tanveer Rashid

Nov 17 '05 #10

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