UDP Blues

[Frank Rizzo]

I am trying to send a UDP packet out over the internet to a device.
This device is NOT on a local network or LAN or WAN. Just a random IP
address on the internet somewhere.

For whatever reason, the UDP message does not arrive there the first
time I send it (after starting the app). It arrives fine for any
attempt afterwards, but never the first time.

What could the problem? I am kind of new to UDP, so I am at a loss. Do
I perhaps have to establish a route to the IP address or something like
(I am grasping, I know).

Meanwhile, if I send a message to a device on a local network, the
messages get there every time. Here is the code I use to send a message:

Socket sockUDP = New Socket(AddressFamily.InterNetwork,
SocketType.Dgram, ProtocolType.Udp)

Dim sendBytes As Byte() = Encoding.ASCII.GetBytes(Data)
Dim IpEndPoint As New IPEndPoint(IPAddress.Parse(Host), Port)

sockUDP.Connect(IpEndPoint)
sockUDP.SendTo(sendBytes, 0, sendBytes.Length, SocketFlags.None, IpEndPoint)

Thanks.

[SB]

I assume it has something to do with packetloss since the packets arrive ok
on your LAN. Regardless of what's causing the packet to be dropped...when
using UDP, you HAVE to write your code assuming there will be packetloss.
If it is essential that your packet be received, you have to have the device
on the other end acknowledge receiving it. Then, if you don't get a reply,
you just keep resending it periodically until you do.

Note that I've written several UDP apps...but none in C#. However, the
above still applies.

HTH
-sb

"Frank Rizzo" <no**@none.com> wrote in message
news:OA**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

I am trying to send a UDP packet out over the internet to a device. This
device is NOT on a local network or LAN or WAN. Just a random IP address
on the internet somewhere.

For whatever reason, the UDP message does not arrive there the first time
I send it (after starting the app). It arrives fine for any attempt
afterwards, but never the first time.

What could the problem? I am kind of new to UDP, so I am at a loss. Do I
perhaps have to establish a route to the IP address or something like (I
am grasping, I know).

Meanwhile, if I send a message to a device on a local network, the
messages get there every time. Here is the code I use to send a message:

Socket sockUDP = New Socket(AddressFamily.InterNetwork, SocketType.Dgram,
ProtocolType.Udp)

Dim sendBytes As Byte() = Encoding.ASCII.GetBytes(Data)
Dim IpEndPoint As New IPEndPoint(IPAddress.Parse(Host), Port)

sockUDP.Connect(IpEndPoint)
sockUDP.SendTo(sendBytes, 0, sendBytes.Length, SocketFlags.None,
IpEndPoint)

Thanks.

[Carl Frisk]

UDP provides no guarantee of delivery. RFC 768 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc768.html

--
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.com
"Frank Rizzo" <no**@none.com> wrote in message news:OA**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

I am trying to send a UDP packet out over the internet to a device.
This device is NOT on a local network or LAN or WAN. Just a random IP
address on the internet somewhere.

For whatever reason, the UDP message does not arrive there the first
time I send it (after starting the app). It arrives fine for any
attempt afterwards, but never the first time.

What could the problem? I am kind of new to UDP, so I am at a loss. Do
I perhaps have to establish a route to the IP address or something like
(I am grasping, I know).

Meanwhile, if I send a message to a device on a local network, the
messages get there every time. Here is the code I use to send a message:

Socket sockUDP = New Socket(AddressFamily.InterNetwork,
SocketType.Dgram, ProtocolType.Udp)

Dim sendBytes As Byte() = Encoding.ASCII.GetBytes(Data)
Dim IpEndPoint As New IPEndPoint(IPAddress.Parse(Host), Port)

sockUDP.Connect(IpEndPoint)
sockUDP.SendTo(sendBytes, 0, sendBytes.Length, SocketFlags.None, IpEndPoint)

Thanks.

[Frank Rizzo]

Carl Frisk wrote:

UDP provides no guarantee of delivery. RFC 768
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc768.html

I realize that, but why does it fail the first time, every time. Yet,
I've never (ever) had it fail the second or third or fourth time. Does
it have to do with the route?

[Carl Frisk]

I think we would need to know more about what it is sending it to. You may have a firewall issue. You may have a
router issue. You may have an issue on the receiving machine.

I'd start with putting a sniffer on the other machine to see if the packet is getting there on the first try. You may
also want to analyze the first two packets that are sent out from your local machine. Check your firewall logs on the
receiving machine.

--
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.com
"Frank Rizzo" <no****@nospam.com> wrote in message news:ew**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

Carl Frisk wrote:

UDP provides no guarantee of delivery. RFC 768 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc768.html

I realize that, but why does it fail the first time, every time. Yet, I've never (ever) had it fail the second or
third or fourth time. Does it have to do with the route?

[Carl Frisk]

You may want to try InterNetworkV6 also.

--
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.com
"Frank Rizzo" <no****@nospam.com> wrote in message news:ew**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

Carl Frisk wrote:

UDP provides no guarantee of delivery. RFC 768
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc768.html

I realize that, but why does it fail the first time, every time. Yet,
I've never (ever) had it fail the second or third or fourth time. Does
it have to do with the route?

[Frank Rizzo]

Carl,

Basically I am sending a packet to a wireless modem on the TMobile
network. There isn't a firewall issue, because I don't have a firewall.
And I know that the data isn't arriving because I have a sniffer
cable connected to the actual device and I don't see the data.

However, the sample vb6 app that comes with the device sends the data
fine. They are using a 3rd party component (dart, I believe) to send
UDP data, so I don't have access to the source.

Carl Frisk wrote:

I think we would need to know more about what it is sending it to. You
may have a firewall issue. You may have a router issue. You may have
an issue on the receiving machine.

I'd start with putting a sniffer on the other machine to see if the
packet is getting there on the first try. You may also want to analyze
the first two packets that are sent out from your local machine. Check
your firewall logs on the receiving machine.

[Julie]

Frank Rizzo wrote:

I am trying to send a UDP packet out over the internet to a device. This
device is NOT on a local network or LAN or WAN. Just a random IP
address on the internet somewhere.

For whatever reason, the UDP message does not arrive there the first
time I send it (after starting the app). It arrives fine for any
attempt afterwards, but never the first time.

What could the problem? I am kind of new to UDP, so I am at a loss. Do
I perhaps have to establish a route to the IP address or something like
(I am grasping, I know).

Meanwhile, if I send a message to a device on a local network, the
messages get there every time. Here is the code I use to send a message:

Socket sockUDP = New Socket(AddressFamily.InterNetwork,
SocketType.Dgram, ProtocolType.Udp)

Dim sendBytes As Byte() = Encoding.ASCII.GetBytes(Data)
Dim IpEndPoint As New IPEndPoint(IPAddress.Parse(Host), Port)

sockUDP.Connect(IpEndPoint)
sockUDP.SendTo(sendBytes, 0, sendBytes.Length, SocketFlags.None,
IpEndPoint)

Thanks.

Sorry about my UDP ignorance, but can you set the TTL for UDP packets? If so,
bump it up a bunch to see if it makes a difference, and if it does, then I'd
surmise that you have a (initial) routing issue.

[Frank Rizzo]

Julie wrote:

Frank Rizzo wrote:

I am trying to send a UDP packet out over the internet to a device.
This device is NOT on a local network or LAN or WAN. Just a random IP
address on the internet somewhere.

Sorry about my UDP ignorance, but can you set the TTL for UDP packets?
If so, bump it up a bunch to see if it makes a difference, and if it
does, then I'd surmise that you have a (initial) routing issue.

Julie,

You might just be right. You can set the TTL using the SetSocketOption.
I'll try it out. Thanks.