VS.NET 2005: Why VB's IDE is better than C#'s IDE ??

[Stefano]

Dear Friends,
i have had a preview of the new VS.NET 2005 version that has showed to
me a lot of improvment in C# and VB language.
But i have notice that the VB's IDE is better than C#'s IDE.
Could someone explain to me why ?
Are VB programmers more lazy (or stupid) than C# programmers and needs
more help??
Or are C# programmers has been ignore as developers so is stupid to
give them a valid IDE ???
If the IDE is one and only one (VS.NET) for VB and C# why don't give
to everyone the same set of rich funcionality?
By
Stefano

[Mark Rae]

"Stefano" <de***@tech-center.com> wrote in message
news:kj********************************@4ax.com...

If the IDE is one and only one (VS.NET) for VB and C# why don't give
to everyone the same set of rich funcionality?

I've been previewing Whidbey for quite a while now - specifically, what
differences in the IDE do you perceive between the two languages?

[Marina]

This partly has to do with the structures of the languages. For example,
declaring a variable in VB:
Dim str As String
in C#
string str;

So as soon as you type the 'As' in VB, the intellisense at this pt can tell
you are dimming a variable, so it pops a list of classes to help.
In C# that's not possible, since the class type of the variable comes first,
so there is no way for the intellises to know that you are declaring a
variable when you start typing.

That given said (and not having seen 2005), the VB IDE has much better
intellisense support and is easier to use.
However, there are features that C# has that VB doesn't - like the list of
events in the properties window in the designer.

In general, it would be nice to see the IDE support both languages with the
same features.

"Stefano" <de***@tech-center.com> wrote in message
news:kj********************************@4ax.com...

Dear Friends,
i have had a preview of the new VS.NET 2005 version that has showed to
me a lot of improvment in C# and VB language.
But i have notice that the VB's IDE is better than C#'s IDE.
Could someone explain to me why ?
Are VB programmers more lazy (or stupid) than C# programmers and needs
more help??
Or are C# programmers has been ignore as developers so is stupid to
give them a valid IDE ???
If the IDE is one and only one (VS.NET) for VB and C# why don't give
to everyone the same set of rich funcionality?
By
Stefano

[Marina]

This partly has to do with the structures of the languages. For example,
declaring a variable in VB:
Dim str As String
in C#
string str;

So as soon as you type the 'As' in VB, the intellisense at this pt can tell
you are dimming a variable, so it pops a list of classes to help.
In C# that's not possible, since the class type of the variable comes first,
so there is no way for the intellises to know that you are declaring a
variable when you start typing.

That given said (and not having seen 2005), the VB IDE has much better
intellisense support and is easier to use.
However, there are features that C# has that VB doesn't - like the list of
events in the properties window in the designer.

In general, it would be nice to see the IDE support both languages with the
same features.

"Stefano" <de***@tech-center.com> wrote in message
news:kj********************************@4ax.com...

Dear Friends,
i have had a preview of the new VS.NET 2005 version that has showed to
me a lot of improvment in C# and VB language.
But i have notice that the VB's IDE is better than C#'s IDE.
Could someone explain to me why ?
Are VB programmers more lazy (or stupid) than C# programmers and needs
more help??
Or are C# programmers has been ignore as developers so is stupid to
give them a valid IDE ???
If the IDE is one and only one (VS.NET) for VB and C# why don't give
to everyone the same set of rich funcionality?
By
Stefano

[Stefano]

Hi
one of this is the "edi&Continue" feature.
Another one is the capability of chouce between showing the most
frequently used property and all property when you type "."
And the capability of changeing the value of a variable during the
execution of the program.
By
Stefano

"Mark Rae" <ma**@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote:

"Stefano" <de***@tech-center.com> wrote in message
news:kj********************************@4ax.com.. .

If the IDE is one and only one (VS.NET) for VB and C# why don't give
to everyone the same set of rich funcionality?

I've been previewing Whidbey for quite a while now - specifically, what
differences in the IDE do you perceive between the two languages?

[Stefano]

Hi
one of this is the "edi&Continue" feature.
Another one is the capability of chouce between showing the most
frequently used property and all property when you type "."
And the capability of changeing the value of a variable during the
execution of the program.
By
Stefano

"Mark Rae" <ma**@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote:

"Stefano" <de***@tech-center.com> wrote in message
news:kj********************************@4ax.com.. .

If the IDE is one and only one (VS.NET) for VB and C# why don't give
to everyone the same set of rich funcionality?

I've been previewing Whidbey for quite a while now - specifically, what
differences in the IDE do you perceive between the two languages?

[Frans Bouma [C# MVP]]

Stefano wrote:

Hi
one of this is the "edi&Continue" feature.
E&C is a feature which not that useful really. In the fast majority of
situations you will have caught the bug before you even run the debugger to
check things out: use asserts, review code prior to 'trial&error bugfixing'
etc.
Another one is the capability of chouce between showing the most
frequently used property and all property when you type "."
IMHO this is a setting of the IDE, already in VS.NET 2003
And the capability of changeing the value of a variable during the
execution of the program.
you can do that too in C#, in the locals window.

FB
By
Stefano

"Mark Rae" <ma**@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote:

"Stefano" <de***@tech-center.com> wrote in message
news:kj********************************@4ax.com...

If the IDE is one and only one (VS.NET) for VB and C# why don't give
to everyone the same set of rich funcionality?

I've been previewing Whidbey for quite a while now - specifically, what
differences in the IDE do you perceive between the two languages?

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[Stefano]

Hi
i'm agree with you that there are a lot of coding tecnique for caught
an error but i think that the E&C feature is not made for this.
E&C is very usefull when you are testing and developing the software
not when you have released it.

In the new VS-NET 2005 the intellisense have a tabcontrol with the
capabilities of show all the property/method or only the most
frequently used.

I think that change the value of a variable in a Tooltip is more
usefull than go to the local windows, find the variable and change it
value.

I don't mean that VS'IDE is bad only that the should offers all
funcionality to all language give me the chance to use it or not.
By
Stefano

"Frans Bouma [C# MVP]" <pe******************@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Stefano wrote:

Hi
one of this is the "edi&Continue" feature.

E&C is a feature which not that useful really. In the fast majority of
situations you will have caught the bug before you even run the debugger to
check things out: use asserts, review code prior to 'trial&error bugfixing'
etc.

Another one is the capability of chouce between showing the most
frequently used property and all property when you type "."

IMHO this is a setting of the IDE, already in VS.NET 2003

And the capability of changeing the value of a variable during the
execution of the program.

you can do that too in C#, in the locals window.

FB

By
Stefano

"Mark Rae" <ma**@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote:

>"Stefano" <de***@tech-center.com> wrote in message
> news:kj********************************@4ax.com...
>
>> If the IDE is one and only one (VS.NET) for VB and C# why don't give
>> to everyone the same set of rich funcionality?
>
> I've been previewing Whidbey for quite a while now - specifically, what
> differences in the IDE do you perceive between the two languages?
>