To whoever the Administrator is
I am a newbie. I find this newsgroup is too active and daily there are a
lot of postings. Does take a lot of time to browse thru the messages.
Can we at least split this newsgroup into 2 or 3 groups like:
- Newbie (Newbies will post and browse here)
- Programming (More experienced users)
- 3rd Party Tools
- Watercooler (Offtopic)
The most pressing would be to have a NEWBIE group so that we newbies
don't have to look at mind-boggling advance questions and feel lost...
Regards
Skc
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Skc wrote: The most pressing would be to have a NEWBIE group so that we newbies
don't have to look at mind-boggling advance questions and feel lost...
I suppose it'd be asking for too much to just have you read topics that are
related to problems you're experiencing.
--
Gravity: it's not just a good idea, it's the law.
Skc wrote: To whoever the Administrator is
I am a newbie. I find this newsgroup is too active and daily there are a
lot of postings. Does take a lot of time to browse thru the messages.
Can we at least split this newsgroup into 2 or 3 groups like:
- Newbie (Newbies will post and browse here)
- Programming (More experienced users)
- 3rd Party Tools
- Watercooler (Offtopic)
The most pressing would be to have a NEWBIE group so that we newbies
don't have to look at mind-boggling advance questions and feel lost...
I think the biggest "problem" here is that most of the posts in this
group are off-topic. This group is, as far as I know, about the C#
programming language only. A lot of people post general .NET questions
here (okay, I've been guilty of this in the past) that should really be
posted in 'microsoft.public.dotnet.general'.
What percentage of threads here are *on*-topic, do you think? I'd guess
at about 10%; maybe less.
There are logical ways to filter the information for what you want.
1) Go to Google and enter specific search criteria. This way you can find
information about what you specifically need to know. If you have questions
about something, so has someone else in the past.
2) If you post a question to the group, use Google to search on your name
and filter on the date so that you can see your recent posts along with any
replies.
"Skc" <pr*****@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... To whoever the Administrator is
I am a newbie. I find this newsgroup is too active and daily there are a
lot of postings. Does take a lot of time to browse thru the messages.
Can we at least split this newsgroup into 2 or 3 groups like:
- Newbie (Newbies will post and browse here)
- Programming (More experienced users)
- 3rd Party Tools
- Watercooler (Offtopic)
The most pressing would be to have a NEWBIE group so that we newbies
don't have to look at mind-boggling advance questions and feel lost...
Regards
Skc
"C# Learner" <cs****@learner.here> wrote in message
news:uq**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... Skc wrote:
To whoever the Administrator is
I am a newbie. I find this newsgroup is too active and daily there are a
lot of postings. Does take a lot of time to browse thru the messages.
Can we at least split this newsgroup into 2 or 3 groups like:
- Newbie (Newbies will post and browse here)
- Programming (More experienced users)
- 3rd Party Tools
- Watercooler (Offtopic)
The most pressing would be to have a NEWBIE group so that we newbies
don't have to look at mind-boggling advance questions and feel lost...
I think the biggest "problem" here is that most of the posts in this
group are off-topic.
I'd have to take issue with the numbers there, from what I've seen there's
no where near that many off topic posts.
This group is, as far as I know, about the C# programming language only. A lot of people post general .NET questions
here (okay, I've been guilty of this in the past) that should really be
posted in 'microsoft.public.dotnet.general'.
I'd agree slightly in that if you have a syntax problem specific to VB.NET
, it's the more appropriate forum. However, it's hard to imagine something
other than very specific VB.NET issues that don't fit in here just as well
as general. Moreover, a lot of people cross post b/c the content relates to
more than one area. And in many cases, even those can be of benefit to
people here.
What percentage of threads here are *on*-topic, do you think? I'd guess
at about 10%; maybe less.
"Skc" <pr*****@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... To whoever the Administrator is
I am a newbie. I find this newsgroup is too active and daily there are a
lot of postings.
What is too active? What's the downside?
Does take a lot of time to browse thru the messages. Can we at least split this newsgroup into 2 or 3 groups like:
Where do you draw the line with Newbie for instance? newbie really depends
on who you are compared against don't you think?
- Newbie (Newbies will post and browse here)
- Programming (More experienced users)
- 3rd Party Tools
- Watercooler (Offtopic)
The most pressing would be to have a NEWBIE group so that we newbies
don't have to look at mind-boggling advance questions and feel lost...
Regards
Skc
If there is a need for a split, I would suggest splitting based on areas
within C#.
1. C# Language
2. UI (WinForms)
3. Security
4. Networking
5. Native APIs
6. Core (including threading, timers, processes, etc.)
7. Misc.
-vJ
"Skc" <pr*****@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... To whoever the Administrator is
I am a newbie. I find this newsgroup is too active and daily there are a
lot of postings. Does take a lot of time to browse thru the messages. Can
we at least split this newsgroup into 2 or 3 groups like:
- Newbie (Newbies will post and browse here)
- Programming (More experienced users)
- 3rd Party Tools
- Watercooler (Offtopic)
The most pressing would be to have a NEWBIE group so that we newbies don't
have to look at mind-boggling advance questions and feel lost...
Regards
Skc
"Vijaye Raji" <no*************@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e3**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... If there is a need for a split, I would suggest splitting based on areas
within C#.
1. C# Language
You're in it :-)
2. UI (WinForms)
3. Security
microsoft.public.dotnet.security
4. Networking
5. Native APIs
microsoft.public.dotnet.interop
6. Core (including threading, timers, processes, etc.)
microsoft.public.dotnet.framework
7. Misc.
microsoft.public.dotnet.general
-Rob Teixeira [MVP]
-vJ
Rob Teixeira [MVP] wrote: "Vijaye Raji" <no*************@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e3**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
If there is a need for a split, I would suggest splitting based on areas
within C#.
1. C# Language
You're in it :-)
2. UI (WinForms)
microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.windowsforms :-)
3. Security
microsoft.public.dotnet.security
4. Networking
5. Native APIs
microsoft.public.dotnet.interop
6. Core (including threading, timers, processes, etc.)
microsoft.public.dotnet.framework
7. Misc.
microsoft.public.dotnet.general
On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:48:37 -0400, "William Ryan eMVP"
<do********@comcast.nospam.net> wrote: I'd have to take issue with the numbers there, from what I've seen there's
no where near that many off topic posts.
You must be looking at this group through a filter then. About half
the posts in this group are about Windows Forms, Web Forms, the IDE,
or general programming topics.
-- http://www.kynosarges.de
I like the fact that this group is active. It means there are plenty
people around to answer so there aren't many messages that never get any
reply. Yes, there are a few posts that might be more appropriate in the
windowsforms, controls, and general groups, but most of those involve C#
code, in which case, this group isn't off topic.
Read the news like a news paper, you read the interesting bits and ignore
the rest.
Happy coding!
Morten Wennevik [C# MVP]
> > I am a newbie. I find this newsgroup is too active and daily there are a lot of postings. What is too active? What's the downside?
As I have said, the downside is that I would need to spend more time than
otherwise necessary to scan the Subject field, to see whether it's something
I can learn as a newbie. If it's already split, it would be easier.
Where do you draw the line with Newbie for instance? newbie really
depends on who you are compared against don't you think?
Most folks would know whether or not he's a newbie. Of course there will be
some cross-posting, but that shouldn't matter too much.
Regards
Skc
As with the documentation there is too much of it all. Split this group into as many sub groups as may be appropriate, but leave the option of viewing them in all in a .csharp supergroup. And make the number of items per page longer. I am spending more time searching for info rather than reading it...
----- Morten Wennevik wrote: -----
I like the fact that this group is active. It means there are plenty
people around to answer so there aren't many messages that never get any
reply. Yes, there are a few posts that might be more appropriate in the
windowsforms, controls, and general groups, but most of those involve C#
code, in which case, this group isn't off topic.
Read the news like a news paper, you read the interesting bits and ignore
the rest.
Happy coding!
Morten Wennevik [C# MVP]
Frosty wrote:
<snip> And make the number of items per page longer.
<snip>
Use an newsreader, instead, to browse the groups, and then you needn't
put up with any such restriction. I am spending more time searching for info rather than reading it...
Yea, that's right on.
OK OK. I get the point :)
"C# Learner" <cs****@learner.here> wrote in message
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... Rob Teixeira [MVP] wrote:
"Vijaye Raji" <no*************@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e3**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
If there is a need for a split, I would suggest splitting based on areas
within C#.
1. C# Language
You're in it :-)
2. UI (WinForms)
microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.windowsforms :-)
3. Security
microsoft.public.dotnet.security
4. Networking
5. Native APIs
microsoft.public.dotnet.interop
6. Core (including threading, timers, processes, etc.)
microsoft.public.dotnet.framework
7. Misc.
microsoft.public.dotnet.general
Hi,
I believe that the norm is, I'm programming in C# , I want to do something
and I don't know how, let's post in the C# group.
And I see nothing wrong with that in the first place; I have came across
problems/solutions just because of this that have helped me a lot.
Cheers,
--
Ignacio Machin,
ignacio.machin AT dot.state.fl.us
Florida Department Of Transportation
"Christoph Nahr" <ch************@kynosarges.de> wrote in message
news:ep********************************@4ax.com... On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:48:37 -0400, "William Ryan eMVP"
<do********@comcast.nospam.net> wrote:
I'd have to take issue with the numbers there, from what I've seen
there'sno where near that many off topic posts.
You must be looking at this group through a filter then. About half
the posts in this group are about Windows Forms, Web Forms, the IDE,
or general programming topics.
--
http://www.kynosarges.de
<"Ignacio Machin \( .NET/ C# MVP \)" <ignacio.machin AT
dot.state.fl.us>> wrote: I believe that the norm is, I'm programming in C# , I want to do something
and I don't know how, let's post in the C# group.
Indeed.
And I see nothing wrong with that in the first place; I have came across
problems/solutions just because of this that have helped me a lot.
Sure - although you could have come across the same posts if they'd
been made to more specific groups and you'd subscribed to those groups
because you were interested in them.
The trouble is that it means there's no group for "C# as a language",
and a lot of posts which actually have *nothing* to do with C# itself
and could easily be answered by people who know the framework but not
C# don't get those answers.
I know there's no way that people are going to start posting in the way
I'd prefer (using the appropriate .framework, .windowsforms etc groups
instead of the C# group when the question is not C#-specific) but I do
think it would be a better situation if they did.
--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com> http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
Ignacio Machin ( .NET/ C# MVP ) wrote: Hi,
I believe that the norm is, I'm programming in C# , I want to do something
and I don't know how, let's post in the C# group.
And I see nothing wrong with that in the first place; I have came across
problems/solutions just because of this that have helped me a lot.
I mostly check for unanswered postings in the morning and try to answer
them. Today I saw just unanswered postings with questions which are
completely irrelevant for C#. Some are focussed on winforms, some are
remoting, some are soap (!) related some are windows setup related etc.
It is becoming a bit of a problem. Not only is it not that fun to weed
through unanswered postings and discover that almost all of them are in the
wrong newsgroup, it also eats time away from my time that I have to answer
postings. This group is not meant for 'everything .NET related'. It's for C#
related material. I find replies as 'you post in the wrong newsgroup, go
away' not appropriate without answering the question at hand, however I
decided to ignore the completely off-topic questions for now.
For the people with questions some tips:
1) go to google groups (not google web, google groups): http://www.google.com/grphp?hl=en&ta...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
2) type in your question
3) check only threads with 2 or more messages and in newsgroups which are
related to the technique you're working with, i.e. rec.humor is not a
newsgroup likely to have your answer
4) if you can't find the answer, pick the newsgroup related to your PROBLEM:
winforms, asp.net, remoting, framework, ado.net etc. and ask your question
there, provide code if possible.
FB
--
Get LLBLGen Pro, the new O/R mapper for .NET: http://www.llblgen.com
My .NET Blog: http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma
Microsoft C# MVP
Skc wrote: To whoever the Administrator is
BTW is there an Administator? Or am I addressing to nobody?
Regards
Skc <pr*****@singnet.com.sg> wrote: Skc wrote: To whoever the Administrator is
BTW is there an Administator? Or am I addressing to nobody?
There is no particular administrator for this group. There are
administrators for the MS newsgroups in general, but they don't read
every group by a long chalk.
--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com> http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
On Thu, 13 May 2004 02:02:40 -0700, "Frans Bouma [C# MVP]"
<pe******************@xs4all.nl> wrote: I find replies as 'you post in the wrong newsgroup, go
away' not appropriate without answering the question at hand, however I
decided to ignore the completely off-topic questions for now.
If you just ignore the questions they'll come back next week and rant
about how Microsoft is ignoring them. And if you answer their
questions they'll see that their questions do get answered, so why
bother posting somewhere else even if you pointed it out to them?
-- http://www.kynosarges.de
Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote: There is no particular administrator for this group. There are
administrators for the MS newsgroups in general, but they don't read
every group by a long chalk.
Oh...so it's good as making a wish to nobody , sigh... I guess they have
the same problems or worst - there's just too much to browse thru -
unless perhaps there be a group called 'Attention-MS-Administrator'.
:)
Christoph Nahr wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2004 02:02:40 -0700, "Frans Bouma [C# MVP]"
<pe******************@xs4all.nl> wrote:
I find replies as 'you post in the wrong newsgroup, go
away' not appropriate without answering the question at hand, however I
decided to ignore the completely off-topic questions for now.
If you just ignore the questions they'll come back next week and rant
about how Microsoft is ignoring them. And if you answer their
questions they'll see that their questions do get answered, so why
bother posting somewhere else even if you pointed it out to them?
That's the point of ignoring them for now. I mean, questions about
drag/drop, how to measure agp bandwith (come on!), mail merge with word (!)
and other fancy topics... :)
If someone gets annoyed because no-one answers his drag/drop question in the
C# newsgroup, I'm pretty sure no-one can please that fellow/gal enough
anyway..
FB
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Morten Wennevik wrote: I like the fact that this group is active. It means there are plenty
people around to answer so there aren't many messages that never get
any reply. Yes, there are a few posts that might be more appropriate
in the windowsforms, controls, and general groups, but most of those
involve C# code, in which case, this group isn't off topic.
Unless this group has charta -- and I'm afraid there's no such thing, at
least not according to USENET standards -- there is no way of exactly
telling what is OT. That's where we are :-(
--
Joerg Jooss jo*********@gmx.net
C# Learner wrote: Skc wrote:
To whoever the Administrator is
I am a newbie. I find this newsgroup is too active and daily there
are a lot of postings. Does take a lot of time to browse thru the
messages. Can we at least split this newsgroup into 2 or 3 groups
like:
- Newbie (Newbies will post and browse here)
- Programming (More experienced users)
- 3rd Party Tools
- Watercooler (Offtopic)
The most pressing would be to have a NEWBIE group so that we newbies
don't have to look at mind-boggling advance questions and feel
lost...
I think the biggest "problem" here is that most of the posts in this
group are off-topic. This group is, as far as I know, about the C#
programming language only. A lot of people post general .NET
questions here (okay, I've been guilty of this in the past) that
should really be posted in 'microsoft.public.dotnet.general'.
It's a common problem in microsoft.public.dotnet.*. Many people tend to post
to groups according to a problem's "technology domain" (ASP.NET, C#, etc.),
not according to the problem's own domain (XML, Windows Forms, Server
Controls, etc.). IMHO it's plain stupid to post an XML specific question in
an ASP.NET group just because XML parsing is part of an ASP.NET page's
implementation.
Cheers,
--
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