Dear MICROSOFT, more details on Partial Types, PLEASE.....

[nospam]

Ok, I asked this question before and I also looked at the book "First Look
at ASP.NET 2.0"
I also read Paul wilson's web page explanation. HOWEVER......

The book and that web page talks about partial types and that IF you have a
Extends keyword, I think, before the class name AND the same Namespace, .NET
will automatically compile the rest of the class that is located in another
file.

However, I want to know just exactly how is .NET going to find that OTHER
file......

There is the .aspx page that has the complieswith attribute and some other
attribute that can as before look for the CodeBehind file.

However, just exactly how does .NET find the other FILE????????

Does it search first and READ every single FILE in the same directory and
work it's way out to the other files within the application to find a class
name and namespace that matches?

[Cor]

Hi Nospam,

First of all, this Public newsgroups is not Microsoft. There are Microsoft
people participating and Microsoft people checks themself for intresting
things and totaly bad behaviour in this Newsgroups, but it is never
Microsoft who answers, it are always individuals, even if they are from
Microsoft.

But to help you, maybe this first row from the aspx page will tell you
something

<%@ Page Language="vb" AutoEventWireup="false" Codebehind="WebForm1.aspx.vb"
Inherits="WebApplication1.WebForm1"%>

The code behind is clear I think and it Inherits the WebForm1 class, which
itself inherits the System.Web.UI.page when you see that.

The user does not see it, because when it is send, this information is not
sended.

I hope this helps you a little bit.

Cor

[Ron McNulty]

Hi nospam

Considering your apparent dislike of OO techniques, and your embracement of
the KISS principle, why would you be using partial types?

Personally I have NEVER found the NEED for them (or capitals in every line)
:)

Regards

Ron

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:O6**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

Ok, I asked this question before and I also looked at the book "First Look at ASP.NET 2.0"
I also read Paul wilson's web page explanation. HOWEVER......

The book and that web page talks about partial types and that IF you have a Extends keyword, I think, before the class name AND the same Namespace, ..NET will automatically compile the rest of the class that is located in another file.

However, I want to know just exactly how is .NET going to find that OTHER
file......

There is the .aspx page that has the complieswith attribute and some other
attribute that can as before look for the CodeBehind file.

However, just exactly how does .NET find the other FILE????????

Does it search first and READ every single FILE in the same directory and
work it's way out to the other files within the application to find a class name and namespace that matches?

[Cor]

Hi Nospam,
Do you use build code, made by Visual.studio Net?
Cor

(1) MyPartialType.aspx file <-- .aspx web page

(2) MyPartialType.aspx.cs file <-- standard code behind already referenced
in the (1) above

(3) MyPartialTypeWhereAmI.aspx.cs <----- file that I don't know how .NET
knows where it's at????????

[nospam]

"Build Code"? or do you mean, "Do I build code with VS.NET?"

All I want to know is how does .NET find #3.

"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:O9*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Hi Nospam,
Do you use build code, made by Visual.studio Net?
Cor

(1) MyPartialType.aspx file <-- .aspx web page

(2) MyPartialType.aspx.cs file <-- standard code behind already referenced in the (1) above

(3) MyPartialTypeWhereAmI.aspx.cs <----- file that I don't know how .NET
knows where it's at????????

[nospam]

Partial Types are needed when you want to do a LOT of STUFF

I just want to know how .NET find the third file #3( the one that's who's
path is not given on the .aspx or code behind file, that's all.

"Ron McNulty" <rm******@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Hi nospam

Considering your apparent dislike of OO techniques, and your embracement of the KISS principle, why would you be using partial types?

Personally I have NEVER found the NEED for them (or capitals in every line) :)

Regards

Ron

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:O6**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

Ok, I asked this question before and I also looked at the book "First Look

at ASP.NET 2.0"
I also read Paul wilson's web page explanation. HOWEVER......

The book and that web page talks about partial types and that IF you have a

Extends keyword, I think, before the class name AND the same Namespace,

.NET

will automatically compile the rest of the class that is located in

another

file.

However, I want to know just exactly how is .NET going to find that

OTHER file......

There is the .aspx page that has the complieswith attribute and some other attribute that can as before look for the CodeBehind file.

However, just exactly how does .NET find the other FILE????????

Does it search first and READ every single FILE in the same directory and work it's way out to the other files within the application to find a

class

name and namespace that matches?

[Nick Wienholt]

> However, I want to know just exactly how is .NET going to find that OTHER

file......

It has to be part of the same project.

Nick Wienholt, MVP
Maximizing .NET Performance
http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=217
Sydney Deep .NET User Group www.sdnug.org

[Cor]

Hi Nospam,
It is one package in your build dll
Cor

[Willy Denoyette [MVP]]

Please post Whidbey related posts to the Whitbey NG's

http://communities.microsoft.com/new...idbey&slcid=us.

Willy.

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message news:O6**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

Ok, I asked this question before and I also looked at the book "First Look
at ASP.NET 2.0"
I also read Paul wilson's web page explanation. HOWEVER......

The book and that web page talks about partial types and that IF you have a
Extends keyword, I think, before the class name AND the same Namespace, .NET
will automatically compile the rest of the class that is located in another
file.

However, I want to know just exactly how is .NET going to find that OTHER
file......

There is the .aspx page that has the complieswith attribute and some other
attribute that can as before look for the CodeBehind file.

However, just exactly how does .NET find the other FILE????????

Does it search first and READ every single FILE in the same directory and
work it's way out to the other files within the application to find a class
name and namespace that matches?

[Steve - DND]

> However, just exactly how does .NET find the other FILE????????

Does it search first and READ every single FILE in the same directory and
work it's way out to the other files within the application to find a class name and namespace that matches?

Have you ever used csc.exe(the C# compiler), or do you only build with
VS.Net? You specify the files that you want compiled, and the compiler
compiles them, VS.Net is just wraps up the process of calling the compilers.

How partials will be compiled exactly I don't know, but I would guess that
the compiler will make multiple passes over the files to be compiled, and
look for partials, then attempt to compile them together. Of course it could
probably be ten different ways. Why does it really matter? If it compiles
your partials so that you have one nice class, then isn't that what matters?

It would be cool if you could trick the compiler into letting you use
multiple inheritance this way, but I'm sure that that won't be allowed.

Steve

[Michael Giagnocavo [MVP]]

".NET" doesn't find them. The compilers / environment will find them and
compile them into one class. Rather simple.
-mike
MVP

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:O6**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

Ok, I asked this question before and I also looked at the book "First Look at ASP.NET 2.0"
I also read Paul wilson's web page explanation. HOWEVER......

The book and that web page talks about partial types and that IF you have a Extends keyword, I think, before the class name AND the same Namespace, ..NET will automatically compile the rest of the class that is located in another file.

However, I want to know just exactly how is .NET going to find that OTHER
file......

There is the .aspx page that has the complieswith attribute and some other
attribute that can as before look for the CodeBehind file.

However, just exactly how does .NET find the other FILE????????

Does it search first and READ every single FILE in the same directory and
work it's way out to the other files within the application to find a class name and namespace that matches?

[Eric Gunnerson [MS]]

All files that make up a partial type must be built at the same time, so
there's no lookup required.

--
Eric Gunnerson

Visit the C# product team at http://www.csharp.net
Eric's blog is at http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/ericgu/

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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"Build Code"? or do you mean, "Do I build code with VS.NET?"

All I want to know is how does .NET find #3.

"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:O9*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Hi Nospam,
Do you use build code, made by Visual.studio Net?
Cor

(1) MyPartialType.aspx file <-- .aspx web page

(2) MyPartialType.aspx.cs file <-- standard code behind already referenced in the (1) above

(3) MyPartialTypeWhereAmI.aspx.cs <----- file that I don't know how ..NET knows where it's at????????

[nospam]

What about J.I.T. then?

Say if I hit F5(Refresh) within Internet Explorer for a single .aspx page
that has 2 .cs files as it's code behind files using compilesWith=
attribute, now what?

See what I am getting at? JIT is what I want to know....
"Eric Gunnerson [MS]" <er****@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eh**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

All files that make up a partial type must be built at the same time, so
there's no lookup required.

--
Eric Gunnerson

Visit the C# product team at http://www.csharp.net
Eric's blog is at http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/ericgu/

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. "nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:uu*************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

"Build Code"? or do you mean, "Do I build code with VS.NET?"

All I want to know is how does .NET find #3.

"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:O9*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Hi Nospam,
Do you use build code, made by Visual.studio Net?
Cor

> (1) MyPartialType.aspx file <-- .aspx web page
>
> (2) MyPartialType.aspx.cs file <-- standard code behind already

referenced

> in the (1) above
>
> (3) MyPartialTypeWhereAmI.aspx.cs <----- file that I don't know how .NET > knows where it's at????????

[nospam]

What about J.I.T. then?

See what I am getting at? JIT is what I want to know when the users hit the
..aspx page for the first time....

Say if I hit F5(Refresh) within Internet Explorer for a single .aspx page
that has 2 .cs files as it's code behind files using compilesWith=
attribute, now what?
"Steve - DND" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:ue**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

However, just exactly how does .NET find the other FILE????????

Does it search first and READ every single FILE in the same directory and work it's way out to the other files within the application to find a class

name and namespace that matches?

Have you ever used csc.exe(the C# compiler), or do you only build with
VS.Net? You specify the files that you want compiled, and the compiler
compiles them, VS.Net is just wraps up the process of calling the

compilers.
How partials will be compiled exactly I don't know, but I would guess that
the compiler will make multiple passes over the files to be compiled, and
look for partials, then attempt to compile them together. Of course it could probably be ten different ways. Why does it really matter? If it compiles
your partials so that you have one nice class, then isn't that what matters?
It would be cool if you could trick the compiler into letting you use
multiple inheritance this way, but I'm sure that that won't be allowed.

Steve

[Cor]

Hi Nospan,

Aspx returns no server side aspx page and either aspx.cs but a created HTML
page with an extention ASPX.

Therefore client side debugging is not the same as serverside debugging.

I hope this helps a little bit.

Cor

[nospam]

Sorry that doesn't help.
Here is the question again.

What about J.I.T. then?

Say if I hit F5(Refresh) within Internet Explorer for a single .aspx page
that has 2 .cs files as it's code behind files using compilesWith=
attribute, now what?

See what I am getting at? JIT is what I want to know....

When I hit F5, how is .NET going to know where that OTHER
"MyPage_FIND_ME.aspx.cs" file is going to be
in other to fully compile the .aspx page..

Understand....there are 3 pages, 1 aspx page, and 2 .cs pages


"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:e0**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

Hi Nospan,

Aspx returns no server side aspx page and either aspx.cs but a created HTML page with an extention ASPX.

Therefore client side debugging is not the same as serverside debugging.

I hope this helps a little bit.

Cor

[Steve - DND]

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:OB**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

What about J.I.T. then?

See what I am getting at? JIT is what I want to know when the users hit the .aspx page for the first time....

Say if I hit F5(Refresh) within Internet Explorer for a single .aspx page
that has 2 .cs files as it's code behind files using compilesWith=
attribute, now what?

This article may answer your questions. It really brings to light the new
changes in ASP.Net, and how the new ASPX/code-behind model operates(it's
very different than the current).

http://tinyurl.com/swgc

Steve

[Michael Giagnocavo [MVP]]

The compiler looks for them when it recompiles (if it's working for you).

And what JIT are you talking about? By itself, J.I.T. means "just in time".
The JIT compiler? That acts upon the compiled CS (MSIL), and happens at a
much later stage.
-mike
MVP

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:eX**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Sorry that doesn't help.
Here is the question again.

What about J.I.T. then?

Say if I hit F5(Refresh) within Internet Explorer for a single .aspx page
that has 2 .cs files as it's code behind files using compilesWith=
attribute, now what?

See what I am getting at? JIT is what I want to know....

When I hit F5, how is .NET going to know where that OTHER
"MyPage_FIND_ME.aspx.cs" file is going to be
in other to fully compile the .aspx page..

Understand....there are 3 pages, 1 aspx page, and 2 .cs pages


"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:e0**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

Hi Nospan,

Aspx returns no server side aspx page and either aspx.cs but a created

HTML

page with an extention ASPX.

Therefore client side debugging is not the same as serverside debugging.

I hope this helps a little bit.

Cor

[nospam]

When you hit the .aspx page the FIRST time, it's JIT'ed, right? Compiled
right?

That's what I am talking about. I got 3 files, 1 .aspx and 2 .cs files that
make up the code behind for that single .aspx page.

Understand now?

I don't see why people are so confused on what I am asking. It's real
simple.

A single .aspx and single code behind page is NOW a single .aspx page and
TWO code behind pages.

What's so difficult on that one???
"Michael Giagnocavo [MVP]" <mg*******@Atrevido.net> wrote in message
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

The compiler looks for them when it recompiles (if it's working for you).

And what JIT are you talking about? By itself, J.I.T. means "just in time". The JIT compiler? That acts upon the compiled CS (MSIL), and happens at a
much later stage.
-mike
MVP

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:eX**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Sorry that doesn't help.
Here is the question again.

What about J.I.T. then?

Say if I hit F5(Refresh) within Internet Explorer for a single .aspx page that has 2 .cs files as it's code behind files using compilesWith=
attribute, now what?

See what I am getting at? JIT is what I want to know....

When I hit F5, how is .NET going to know where that OTHER
"MyPage_FIND_ME.aspx.cs" file is going to be
in other to fully compile the .aspx page..

Understand....there are 3 pages, 1 aspx page, and 2 .cs pages


"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:e0**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

Hi Nospan,

Aspx returns no server side aspx page and either aspx.cs but a created

HTML

page with an extention ASPX.

Therefore client side debugging is not the same as serverside debugging.
I hope this helps a little bit.

Cor

[nospam]

Thanks, HOWEVER it doesn't seem to answer the question
Untitled.aspx
Untitled.aspx.1.cs
Untitled.aspx.2.cs

These three files must be used together to make Untitled.aspx page work via
JIT when the User first hits Internet Explorer 6.0 on your browser

YES, NO, does anyone understand what I am asking?????????

"Steve - DND" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:OB**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

What about J.I.T. then?

See what I am getting at? JIT is what I want to know when the users hit

the

.aspx page for the first time....

Say if I hit F5(Refresh) within Internet Explorer for a single .aspx page that has 2 .cs files as it's code behind files using compilesWith=
attribute, now what?

This article may answer your questions. It really brings to light the new
changes in ASP.Net, and how the new ASPX/code-behind model operates(it's
very different than the current).

http://tinyurl.com/swgc

Steve

[Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]]

nospam,

These three files must be used together to make Untitled.aspx page work via JIT when the User first hits Internet Explorer 6.0 on your browser Yes! these three files must be compiled together to form an assembly.

No! these three files are not JIT'd, the resultant assembly from the above
compilation is JIT'd to execute.

That's the way I understand ASP.NET works.
does anyone understand what I am asking????????? I believe you are asking how does ASP.NET know where to find the third file
to compile it into an assembly, which will subsequently be JIT'd. I don't
have an answer, however for my own edification I am curious as to how it
works...

Does the following article help?
http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/wh...ompilation.asp

Or one of the articles on the following page?
http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/whidbey/

Hope this helps
Jay

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:u9**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... Thanks, HOWEVER it doesn't seem to answer the question
Untitled.aspx
Untitled.aspx.1.cs
Untitled.aspx.2.cs

These three files must be used together to make Untitled.aspx page work via JIT when the User first hits Internet Explorer 6.0 on your browser

YES, NO, does anyone understand what I am asking?????????

"Steve - DND" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:OB**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

What about J.I.T. then?

See what I am getting at? JIT is what I want to know when the users

hit

the

.aspx page for the first time....

Say if I hit F5(Refresh) within Internet Explorer for a single .aspx page that has 2 .cs files as it's code behind files using compilesWith=
attribute, now what?

This article may answer your questions. It really brings to light the

new changes in ASP.Net, and how the new ASPX/code-behind model operates(it's
very different than the current).

http://tinyurl.com/swgc

Steve

[nospam]

> Does the following article help?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/wh...ompilation.asp
Or one of the articles on the following page?
http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/whidbey/

No these links have already been given and they didn't answer my question.


"Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]" <Ja********@email.msn.com> wrote in message
news:OZ**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... nospam,

These three files must be used together to make Untitled.aspx page work via

JIT when the User first hits Internet Explorer 6.0 on your browser

Yes! these three files must be compiled together to form an assembly.

No! these three files are not JIT'd, the resultant assembly from the above
compilation is JIT'd to execute.

That's the way I understand ASP.NET works.

does anyone understand what I am asking?????????

I believe you are asking how does ASP.NET know where to find the third

file to compile it into an assembly, which will subsequently be JIT'd. I don't
have an answer, however for my own edification I am curious as to how it
works...

Does the following article help?
http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/wh...ompilation.asp
Or one of the articles on the following page?
http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/whidbey/

Hope this helps
Jay

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:u9**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Thanks, HOWEVER it doesn't seem to answer the question
Untitled.aspx
Untitled.aspx.1.cs
Untitled.aspx.2.cs

These three files must be used together to make Untitled.aspx page work

via

JIT when the User first hits Internet Explorer 6.0 on your browser

YES, NO, does anyone understand what I am asking?????????

"Steve - DND" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:OB**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> What about J.I.T. then?
>
> See what I am getting at? JIT is what I want to know when the users hit the
> .aspx page for the first time....
>
> Say if I hit F5(Refresh) within Internet Explorer for a single .aspx

page

> that has 2 .cs files as it's code behind files using compilesWith=
> attribute, now what?

This article may answer your questions. It really brings to light the new changes in ASP.Net, and how the new ASPX/code-behind model operates(it's very different than the current).

http://tinyurl.com/swgc

Steve