Amazon wins patent for ordering HTML forms; Minimizing and Maximizing

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Amazon wins patent for ordering forms
# 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8
http://news.com.com/2100-1017-5070569.html

In its latest patent, the online retailing giant outlined a method for
expanding portions of the ordering form, then collapsing that portion of the
form and removing the data fields. The content for that particular section
of the form would then be displayed again.
The patent, filed in September 1997 with the U.S. Patent and Trademark
Office, also described a method for editing content on the order form and
redisplaying the information in the section after the changes have been
made, according to a copy of the patent.

Does this minimize and maximize is threatened? As say if two windows are
pointing to the same application.....

Or what about opening up the Printing Window using the old Windows 3.1?

What about that networking company of long ago with the tree view
explorer...wasn't that expanding and collapsing?

[Mark Fitzpatrick]

Things like a treeview probably don't apply. What the patents is directed at
is forms, not things like printing windows. Minimize and maximize is not
threatened. What they have patented is the concept that if you have a form
with multiple sections and the selection of a form field in one section will
cause the expansion of another section (such as checking a box for "ship to
a different address" will cause a section to open with the fields needed for
the different shipping address). The claims also specifically state that
this must be an HTML document so that leaves out a lot of other
applications. You have to really sift through the individual claims in it to
get a good enough feel of how restrictive it is, and with almost 40 claims I
fell asleep on 10. The key items though are a plurality (multiple) section
form rendered in HTML where a single section at a time can be activated by
the selection of a data field in one of the other sections.

Hope this helps,
Mark Fitzpatrick
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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NEWS.COM

Amazon wins patent for ordering forms
# 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8
http://news.com.com/2100-1017-5070569.html

In its latest patent, the online retailing giant outlined a method for
expanding portions of the ordering form, then collapsing that portion of the form and removing the data fields. The content for that particular section
of the form would then be displayed again.
The patent, filed in September 1997 with the U.S. Patent and Trademark
Office, also described a method for editing content on the order form and
redisplaying the information in the section after the changes have been
made, according to a copy of the patent.

Does this minimize and maximize is threatened? As say if two windows are
pointing to the same application.....

Or what about opening up the Printing Window using the old Windows 3.1?

What about that networking company of long ago with the tree view
explorer...wasn't that expanding and collapsing?

[nospam]

You are not reading the patent correctly.

You only need to look at Claim #1...It mentions nothing about HTML. Claim
#6 uses Claim #1, but Claim #1 doesn't need Claim #6 whatsoever.....
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
1. A method for displaying a form at a client system, the method comprising:

providing a document describing the form, the form having a plurality of
sections, each section having descriptive information and a plurality of
data entry fields;

displaying the descriptive information for each section;

in response to a user selecting descriptive information of a section,
expanding that section by displaying the data entry fields associated with
that section; and

when the user indicates to collapse the expanded section, collapsing that
section by removing the displayed data entry field and redisplaying the
descriptive information for that section.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

So CLAIM #1, can mean Windows OR any FORM practically.....heck what's a
FORM..any window with a Textbox......

"Mark Fitzpatrick" <ma******@fitzme.com> wrote in message
news:OY**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

Things like a treeview probably don't apply. What the patents is directed at is forms, not things like printing windows. Minimize and maximize is not
threatened. What they have patented is the concept that if you have a form
with multiple sections and the selection of a form field in one section will cause the expansion of another section (such as checking a box for "ship to a different address" will cause a section to open with the fields needed for the different shipping address). The claims also specifically state that
this must be an HTML document so that leaves out a lot of other
applications. You have to really sift through the individual claims in it to get a good enough feel of how restrictive it is, and with almost 40 claims I fell asleep on 10. The key items though are a plurality (multiple) section
form rendered in HTML where a single section at a time can be activated by
the selection of a data field in one of the other sections.

Hope this helps,
Mark Fitzpatrick
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:ef**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

NEWS.COM

Amazon wins patent for ordering forms
# 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8
http://news.com.com/2100-1017-5070569.html

In its latest patent, the online retailing giant outlined a method for
expanding portions of the ordering form, then collapsing that portion of

the

form and removing the data fields. The content for that particular section of the form would then be displayed again.
The patent, filed in September 1997 with the U.S. Patent and Trademark
Office, also described a method for editing content on the order form and redisplaying the information in the section after the changes have been
made, according to a copy of the patent.

Does this minimize and maximize is threatened? As say if two windows are pointing to the same application.....

Or what about opening up the Printing Window using the old Windows 3.1?

What about that networking company of long ago with the tree view
explorer...wasn't that expanding and collapsing?

[nospam]

Reading more.....LOOK at claim #10.....

________________________________________
10. A method in a computer system for editing fields comprising:

displaying the content of the fields;

receiving a selection of a field whose content is displayed;

in response to receiving the selection, displaying an editing window in
which the content of the selected field is edited; and

after the content of the field is edited, removing the displayed editing
window and displaying the selected field with the edited content.
_________________________________________

That sounds just like editing a datagrid.......

Oh, well, I guess Microsoft is going to stop using the Datagrid/DataSet for
editing.
# 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8

"Mark Fitzpatrick" <ma******@fitzme.com> wrote in message
news:OY**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

Things like a treeview probably don't apply. What the patents is directed at is forms, not things like printing windows. Minimize and maximize is not
threatened. What they have patented is the concept that if you have a form
with multiple sections and the selection of a form field in one section will cause the expansion of another section (such as checking a box for "ship to a different address" will cause a section to open with the fields needed for the different shipping address). The claims also specifically state that
this must be an HTML document so that leaves out a lot of other
applications. You have to really sift through the individual claims in it to get a good enough feel of how restrictive it is, and with almost 40 claims I fell asleep on 10. The key items though are a plurality (multiple) section
form rendered in HTML where a single section at a time can be activated by
the selection of a data field in one of the other sections.

Hope this helps,
Mark Fitzpatrick
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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NEWS.COM

Amazon wins patent for ordering forms
# 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8
http://news.com.com/2100-1017-5070569.html

In its latest patent, the online retailing giant outlined a method for
expanding portions of the ordering form, then collapsing that portion of

the

form and removing the data fields. The content for that particular section of the form would then be displayed again.
The patent, filed in September 1997 with the U.S. Patent and Trademark
Office, also described a method for editing content on the order form and redisplaying the information in the section after the changes have been
made, according to a copy of the patent.

Does this minimize and maximize is threatened? As say if two windows are pointing to the same application.....

Or what about opening up the Printing Window using the old Windows 3.1?

What about that networking company of long ago with the tree view
explorer...wasn't that expanding and collapsing?

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Hello,

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You don't own this newsgroup....so bug off
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[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

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You don't own this newsgroup....so bug off

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[William Ryan]

You are right, Herfried doesn't own the newsgroups, nor does he pretend to .
But in reference to your other post...on
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and too much of a pain in the ass to want you in this newsgroup. While I
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and Granny's restuarant are both on my clientele list. I
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and I will immediately reply "Good A MVP" because that's
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And to all of you that pretend I'm not a real important
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In article <ef**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, [e-mail] says...

NEWS.COM

Amazon wins patent for ordering forms
# 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8
http://news.com.com/2100-1017-5070569.html

In its latest patent, the online retailing giant outlined a method for
expanding portions of the ordering form, then collapsing that portion of the
form and removing the data fields. The content for that particular section
of the form would then be displayed again.
The patent, filed in September 1997 with the U.S. Patent and Trademark
Office, also described a method for editing content on the order form and
redisplaying the information in the section after the changes have been
made, according to a copy of the patent.

Does this minimize and maximize is threatened? As say if two windows are
pointing to the same application.....

Or what about opening up the Printing Window using the old Windows 3.1?

What about that networking company of long ago with the tree view
explorer...wasn't that expanding and collapsing?

I have a tutorial on Java that I wrote before 1997 which used HTML and
provided for expansion to give more details. Yet I did not patent this.
Why should they be allowed to patent such thing?

[Jimmy [Used-Disks]]

> I have a tutorial on Java that I wrote before 1997 which used HTML and

provided for expansion to give more details. Yet I did not patent this.
Why should they be allowed to patent such thing?

If someone can show that they did it first ("prior art"), then the patent
becomes invalid. You can submit prior art to the patent office and ask them
to revoke a patent (or pending patent). Of course, you have to be able to
prove that you did it before the patent was *submitted* (as opposed to
granted).

--
-Jimmy

[Richard K Bethell]

"Jimmy [Used-Disks]" <no*****@used-disks.com> wrote in message
news:uy*************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

I have a tutorial on Java that I wrote before 1997 which used HTML and
provided for expansion to give more details. Yet I did not patent this.
Why should they be allowed to patent such thing?
If someone can show that they did it first ("prior art"), then the patent
becomes invalid. You can submit prior art to the patent office and ask

them to revoke a patent (or pending patent). Of course, you have to be able to
prove that you did it before the patent was *submitted* (as opposed to
granted).

When did they apply for the patent? We have an Intranet back end order
pickup system that has had this implemented for years. (I always thought a
patent on such a thing is ridiculous, because show/hide is a basic, basic
feature of dhtml - how can you patent that?)

R.

[Jerry III]

Why do dogs lick their balls? Because they can.

Jerry

"Richard K Bethell" <so*****@spammingisevil.bad> wrote in message
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"Jimmy [Used-Disks]" <no*****@used-disks.com> wrote in message
news:uy*************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

I have a tutorial on Java that I wrote before 1997 which used HTML and
provided for expansion to give more details. Yet I did not patent this. Why should they be allowed to patent such thing?

If someone can show that they did it first ("prior art"), then the patent becomes invalid. You can submit prior art to the patent office and ask

them

to revoke a patent (or pending patent). Of course, you have to be able to prove that you did it before the patent was *submitted* (as opposed to
granted).

When did they apply for the patent? We have an Intranet back end order
pickup system that has had this implemented for years. (I always thought a
patent on such a thing is ridiculous, because show/hide is a basic, basic
feature of dhtml - how can you patent that?)

R.

[Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]]

"Jerry III" <je******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Why do dogs lick their balls?

[Guinness Mann]

In article <us**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, je******@hotmail.com
says...

Why do dogs lick their balls? Because they can.

That is absolutely not true. It's because they can't make a little
fist.