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Ask a Language Designer: boolean: C# vs. Xml

Why is the default text representation for booleans in C# 'True' and 'False'
whereas in xml it is 'true' and 'false'?

It seems like it would make sense to have them both the same.

Metro T. Sauper, Jr.
President
Sauper Associates, Inc.
Nov 15 '05 #1
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Metro, I'm not sure what you mean by the default text representation of a
boolean. In C# code booleans appear as true and false. WRT to making them
the same as XML, there is no connection between XML and C# other than C# can
read, write and process XML. One could ask the same thing as to why in
VB.Net they are True and False vs true and false, or C++, or probably many
different languages. I'm curious why you would think that C# syntax or
defaults should be driven by one standard (xml) over any other.

What are you doing that brought this up?

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http://www.citidc.com/


"Metro Sauper" <ms*****@sauper .com> wrote in message
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Why is the default text representation for booleans in C# 'True' and 'False' whereas in xml it is 'true' and 'false'?

It seems like it would make sense to have them both the same.

Metro T. Sauper, Jr.
President
Sauper Associates, Inc.

Nov 15 '05 #2
Greg Ewing [MVP] <gewing@_NO_SPA M_citidc.com> wrote:
Metro, I'm not sure what you mean by the default text representation of a
boolean.


Try this:

using System;

public class Test
{
static void Main()
{
Console.WriteLi ne (true.ToString( ));
Console.WriteLi ne (false.ToString ());
}
}

That prints:

True
False

I'm pretty sure that's what the OP was talking about.

It's not C# that does this, of course, but .NET itself.

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.co m>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
Nov 15 '05 #3
Ah, I see. Metro, is that what you are talking about?

--
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http://www.citidc.com/

"Jon Skeet [C# MVP]" <sk***@pobox.co m> wrote in message
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Greg Ewing [MVP] <gewing@_NO_SPA M_citidc.com> wrote:
Metro, I'm not sure what you mean by the default text representation of a boolean.


Try this:

using System;

public class Test
{
static void Main()
{
Console.WriteLi ne (true.ToString( ));
Console.WriteLi ne (false.ToString ());
}
}

That prints:

True
False

I'm pretty sure that's what the OP was talking about.

It's not C# that does this, of course, but .NET itself.

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.co m>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

Nov 15 '05 #4
In .NET, they are (I think) Boolean.True and Boolean.False. In C#, they are
true and false. .NET isn't C#.
Nov 15 '05 #5

Hi,

I think the true, false in C# are the type value of C#, and it is the
mapping of .Net Framework type value. While in .Net, this type value is
True and False.
This is similiar as the int vs Int32, string vs String type mapping
relationship.

Hope this help,

Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.

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| From: Jon Skeet [C# MVP] <sk***@pobox.co m>
| Subject: Re: Ask a Language Designer: boolean: C# vs. Xml
| Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:55:27 +0100
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|
| Greg Ewing [MVP] <gewing@_NO_SPA M_citidc.com> wrote:
| > Metro, I'm not sure what you mean by the default text representation of
a
| > boolean.
|
| Try this:
|
| using System;
|
| public class Test
| {
| static void Main()
| {
| Console.WriteLi ne (true.ToString( ));
| Console.WriteLi ne (false.ToString ());
| }
| }
|
| That prints:
|
| True
| False
|
| I'm pretty sure that's what the OP was talking about.
|
| It's not C# that does this, of course, but .NET itself.
|
| --
| Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.co m>
| http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
| If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
|

Nov 15 '05 #6
The specific issue that brought this to mind is as follows:

We are using xml to store some default configuration for reports. An xml
entry might appear as follows:

<Parameter Name="ShowDetai l" Type="System.Bo olean" Value="true" />

Now normally with xml, we use "XmlConvert.ToB oolean(string)" to convert
values from xml to the specific datatype, in this case boolean.

However, because the datatype is defined in the entry and not predefined, I
wanted to use the Convert.ChangeT ype() method to evaluate the entry.
Somthing like:

object parameterValue = Convert.Chanage Type(node.Attri butes["Value"].Value,
System.GetType( node.Attributes[Type].Value));

However, this did not work because we configured the value as "true" rather
than "True". So now our configuration xml has "true/false" everywhere there
are boolean values EXCEPT for the parameter values where the value is
"True/False" since we use the XmlConvert for all values other than the ones
where we would like to use Convert.ChangeT ype().

Now, I know how to solve the problem. There are lots of ways to solve it.
That is not the question. I posed the question after reading the other "Ask
a Language Designer" questions and responded to the offer to post a question
here.

The question is "Why are the default text representations for boolean
different in .Net and XML?"

Thank you for you consideration of this question.

Metro T. Sauper, Jr.
President
Sauper Associates, Inc.

""Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]"" <v-*****@online.mi crosoft.com> wrote in message
news:NF******** ******@cpmsftng xa06.phx.gbl...

Hi,

I think the true, false in C# are the type value of C#, and it is the
mapping of .Net Framework type value. While in .Net, this type value is
True and False.
This is similiar as the int vs Int32, string vs String type mapping
relationship.

Hope this help,

Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.

--------------------
| From: Jon Skeet [C# MVP] <sk***@pobox.co m>
| Subject: Re: Ask a Language Designer: boolean: C# vs. Xml
| Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:55:27 +0100
| Message-ID: <MP************ ************@ms news.microsoft. com>
| References: <O2************ **@TK2MSFTNGP09 .phx.gbl>
<uL************ **@TK2MSFTNGP12 .phx.gbl>
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|
| Greg Ewing [MVP] <gewing@_NO_SPA M_citidc.com> wrote:
| > Metro, I'm not sure what you mean by the default text representation of a
| > boolean.
|
| Try this:
|
| using System;
|
| public class Test
| {
| static void Main()
| {
| Console.WriteLi ne (true.ToString( ));
| Console.WriteLi ne (false.ToString ());
| }
| }
|
| That prints:
|
| True
| False
|
| I'm pretty sure that's what the OP was talking about.
|
| It's not C# that does this, of course, but .NET itself.
|
| --
| Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.co m>
| http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
| If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
|

Nov 15 '05 #7

Hi Metro,

Thanks for your feedback.
I think our discussion already shows that in C# the bool type's value are
true and false, while the bool type is mapping to the .Net Framework
Boolean type and its value are True and False.

Does this answer your question?

Best regards,
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.

--------------------
| From: "Metro Sauper" <ms*****@sauper .com>
| References: <O2************ **@TK2MSFTNGP09 .phx.gbl>
<uL************ **@TK2MSFTNGP12 .phx.gbl>
<MP************ ************@ms news.microsoft. com>
<NF************ **@cpmsftngxa06 .phx.gbl>
| Subject: Re: Ask a Language Designer: boolean: C# vs. Xml
| Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:19:47 -0400
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| X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.publi c.dotnet.langua ges.csharp
|
| The specific issue that brought this to mind is as follows:
|
| We are using xml to store some default configuration for reports. An xml
| entry might appear as follows:
|
| <Parameter Name="ShowDetai l" Type="System.Bo olean" Value="true" />
|
| Now normally with xml, we use "XmlConvert.ToB oolean(string)" to convert
| values from xml to the specific datatype, in this case boolean.
|
| However, because the datatype is defined in the entry and not predefined,
I
| wanted to use the Convert.ChangeT ype() method to evaluate the entry.
| Somthing like:
|
| object parameterValue =
Convert.Chanage Type(node.Attri butes["Value"].Value,
| System.GetType( node.Attributes[Type].Value));
|
| However, this did not work because we configured the value as "true"
rather
| than "True". So now our configuration xml has "true/false" everywhere
there
| are boolean values EXCEPT for the parameter values where the value is
| "True/False" since we use the XmlConvert for all values other than the
ones
| where we would like to use Convert.ChangeT ype().
|
| Now, I know how to solve the problem. There are lots of ways to solve it.
| That is not the question. I posed the question after reading the other
"Ask
| a Language Designer" questions and responded to the offer to post a
question
| here.
|
| The question is "Why are the default text representations for boolean
| different in .Net and XML?"
|
| Thank you for you consideration of this question.
|
| Metro T. Sauper, Jr.
| President
| Sauper Associates, Inc.
|
| ""Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]"" <v-*****@online.mi crosoft.com> wrote in message
| news:NF******** ******@cpmsftng xa06.phx.gbl...
| >
| > Hi,
| >
| > I think the true, false in C# are the type value of C#, and it is the
| > mapping of .Net Framework type value. While in .Net, this type value is
| > True and False.
| > This is similiar as the int vs Int32, string vs String type mapping
| > relationship.
| >
| > Hope this help,
| >
| > Jeffrey Tan
| > Microsoft Online Partner Support
| > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
| > This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no
rights.
| >
| > --------------------
| > | From: Jon Skeet [C# MVP] <sk***@pobox.co m>
| > | Subject: Re: Ask a Language Designer: boolean: C# vs. Xml
| > | Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:55:27 +0100
| > | Message-ID: <MP************ ************@ms news.microsoft. com>
| > | References: <O2************ **@TK2MSFTNGP09 .phx.gbl>
| > <uL************ **@TK2MSFTNGP12 .phx.gbl>
| > | MIME-Version: 1.0
| > | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
| > | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
| > | X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60
| > | Newsgroups: microsoft.publi c.dotnet.langua ges.csharp
| > | NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-rdng5-6-0-cust143.winn.ca ble.ntl.com
| > 81.103.154.143
| > | Lines: 1
| > | Path: cpmsftngxa06.ph x.gbl!TK2MSFTNG P08.phx.gbl!TK2 MSFTNGP12.phx.g bl
| > | Xref: cpmsftngxa06.ph x.gbl
| microsoft.publi c.dotnet.langua ges.csharp:1938 68
| > | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.publi c.dotnet.langua ges.csharp
| > |
| > | Greg Ewing [MVP] <gewing@_NO_SPA M_citidc.com> wrote:
| > | > Metro, I'm not sure what you mean by the default text representation
| of
| > a
| > | > boolean.
| > |
| > | Try this:
| > |
| > | using System;
| > |
| > | public class Test
| > | {
| > | static void Main()
| > | {
| > | Console.WriteLi ne (true.ToString( ));
| > | Console.WriteLi ne (false.ToString ());
| > | }
| > | }
| > |
| > | That prints:
| > |
| > | True
| > | False
| > |
| > | I'm pretty sure that's what the OP was talking about.
| > |
| > | It's not C# that does this, of course, but .NET itself.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.co m>
| > | http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
| > | If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
| > |
| >
|
|
|

Nov 15 '05 #8
Hi Jeffery,

Well actually no. It doesn't answer my question.

I do understand what you are saying. We realized this the moment we
encountered the problem and changed our program accordingly.

Perhaps I expected too much when posting my original question. I was
looking for someone "in the know" to explain to me why the values were
different in the first place. What the "aha!" answer was that would make me
understand why the values need to be different in the first place -- that
there was more reason than the .Net implementors flipped a coin and
"capital" 'F' and 'T' won.

There is really no reason to continue this thread. I understand the
technical aspects of the issue.

Best regards,

Metro.

--------------------------------

Metro T. Sauper, Jr.
President
Sauper Associates, Inc.
""Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]"" <v-*****@online.mi crosoft.com> wrote in message
news:y2******** *****@cpmsftngx a06.phx.gbl...

Hi Metro,

Thanks for your feedback.
I think our discussion already shows that in C# the bool type's value are
true and false, while the bool type is mapping to the .Net Framework
Boolean type and its value are True and False.

Does this answer your question?

Best regards,
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.

--------------------
| From: "Metro Sauper" <ms*****@sauper .com>
| References: <O2************ **@TK2MSFTNGP09 .phx.gbl>
<uL************ **@TK2MSFTNGP12 .phx.gbl>
<MP************ ************@ms news.microsoft. com>
<NF************ **@cpmsftngxa06 .phx.gbl>
| Subject: Re: Ask a Language Designer: boolean: C# vs. Xml
| Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:19:47 -0400
| Lines: 111
| X-Priority: 3
| X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
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|
| The specific issue that brought this to mind is as follows:
|
| We are using xml to store some default configuration for reports. An xml | entry might appear as follows:
|
| <Parameter Name="ShowDetai l" Type="System.Bo olean" Value="true" />
|
| Now normally with xml, we use "XmlConvert.ToB oolean(string)" to convert
| values from xml to the specific datatype, in this case boolean.
|
| However, because the datatype is defined in the entry and not predefined, I
| wanted to use the Convert.ChangeT ype() method to evaluate the entry.
| Somthing like:
|
| object parameterValue =
Convert.Chanage Type(node.Attri butes["Value"].Value,
| System.GetType( node.Attributes[Type].Value));
|
| However, this did not work because we configured the value as "true"
rather
| than "True". So now our configuration xml has "true/false" everywhere
there
| are boolean values EXCEPT for the parameter values where the value is
| "True/False" since we use the XmlConvert for all values other than the
ones
| where we would like to use Convert.ChangeT ype().
|
| Now, I know how to solve the problem. There are lots of ways to solve it. | That is not the question. I posed the question after reading the other
"Ask
| a Language Designer" questions and responded to the offer to post a
question
| here.
|
| The question is "Why are the default text representations for boolean
| different in .Net and XML?"
|
| Thank you for you consideration of this question.
|
| Metro T. Sauper, Jr.
| President
| Sauper Associates, Inc.
|
| ""Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]"" <v-*****@online.mi crosoft.com> wrote in message
| news:NF******** ******@cpmsftng xa06.phx.gbl...
| >
| > Hi,
| >
| > I think the true, false in C# are the type value of C#, and it is the
| > mapping of .Net Framework type value. While in .Net, this type value is | > True and False.
| > This is similiar as the int vs Int32, string vs String type mapping
| > relationship.
| >
| > Hope this help,
| >
| > Jeffrey Tan
| > Microsoft Online Partner Support
| > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
| > This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no
rights.
| >
| > --------------------
| > | From: Jon Skeet [C# MVP] <sk***@pobox.co m>
| > | Subject: Re: Ask a Language Designer: boolean: C# vs. Xml
| > | Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:55:27 +0100
| > | Message-ID: <MP************ ************@ms news.microsoft. com>
| > | References: <O2************ **@TK2MSFTNGP09 .phx.gbl>
| > <uL************ **@TK2MSFTNGP12 .phx.gbl>
| > | MIME-Version: 1.0
| > | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
| > | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
| > | X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60
| > | Newsgroups: microsoft.publi c.dotnet.langua ges.csharp
| > | NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-rdng5-6-0-cust143.winn.ca ble.ntl.com
| > 81.103.154.143
| > | Lines: 1
| > | Path: cpmsftngxa06.ph x.gbl!TK2MSFTNG P08.phx.gbl!TK2 MSFTNGP12.phx.g bl
| > | Xref: cpmsftngxa06.ph x.gbl
| microsoft.publi c.dotnet.langua ges.csharp:1938 68
| > | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.publi c.dotnet.langua ges.csharp
| > |
| > | Greg Ewing [MVP] <gewing@_NO_SPA M_citidc.com> wrote:
| > | > Metro, I'm not sure what you mean by the default text representation | of
| > a
| > | > boolean.
| > |
| > | Try this:
| > |
| > | using System;
| > |
| > | public class Test
| > | {
| > | static void Main()
| > | {
| > | Console.WriteLi ne (true.ToString( ));
| > | Console.WriteLi ne (false.ToString ());
| > | }
| > | }
| > |
| > | That prints:
| > |
| > | True
| > | False
| > |
| > | I'm pretty sure that's what the OP was talking about.
| > |
| > | It's not C# that does this, of course, but .NET itself.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.co m>
| > | http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
| > | If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
| > |
| >
|
|
|

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Overview: Windows 11 and 10 have less user interface control over operating system update behaviour than previous versions of Windows. In Windows 11 and 10, there is no way to turn off the Windows Update option using the Control Panel or Settings app; it automatically checks for updates and installs any it finds, whether you like it or not. For most users, this new feature is actually very convenient. If you want to control the update process,...
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agi2029
by: agi2029 | last post by:
Let's talk about the concept of autonomous AI software engineers and no-code agents. These AIs are designed to manage the entire lifecycle of a software development project—planning, coding, testing, and deployment—without human intervention. Imagine an AI that can take a project description, break it down, write the code, debug it, and then launch it, all on its own.... Now, this would greatly impact the work of software developers. The idea...
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by: isladogs | last post by:
The next Access Europe User Group meeting will be on Wednesday 1 May 2024 starting at 18:00 UK time (6PM UTC+1) and finishing by 19:30 (7.30PM). In this session, we are pleased to welcome a new presenter, Adolph Dupré who will be discussing some powerful techniques for using class modules. He will explain when you may want to use classes instead of User Defined Types (UDT). For example, to manage the data in unbound forms. Adolph will...
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by: conductexam | last post by:
I have .net C# application in which I am extracting data from word file and save it in database particularly. To store word all data as it is I am converting the whole word file firstly in HTML and then checking html paragraph one by one. At the time of converting from word file to html my equations which are in the word document file was convert into image. Globals.ThisAddIn.Application.ActiveDocument.Select();...
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by: TSSRALBI | last post by:
Hello I'm a network technician in training and I need your help. I am currently learning how to create and manage the different types of VPNs and I have a question about LAN-to-LAN VPNs. The last exercise I practiced was to create a LAN-to-LAN VPN between two Pfsense firewalls, by using IPSEC protocols. I succeeded, with both firewalls in the same network. But I'm wondering if it's possible to do the same thing, with 2 Pfsense firewalls...
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by: adsilva | last post by:
A Windows Forms form does not have the event Unload, like VB6. What one acts like?
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by: 6302768590 | last post by:
Hai team i want code for transfer the data from one system to another through IP address by using C# our system has to for every 5mins then we have to update the data what the data is updated we have to send another system
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bsmnconsultancy
by: bsmnconsultancy | last post by:
In today's digital era, a well-designed website is crucial for businesses looking to succeed. Whether you're a small business owner or a large corporation in Toronto, having a strong online presence can significantly impact your brand's success. BSMN Consultancy, a leader in Website Development in Toronto offers valuable insights into creating effective websites that not only look great but also perform exceptionally well. In this comprehensive...

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