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Getting Started with Ajax

I'd like to start working with Ajax in VS 2008 Pro., but it's important that
I not use anything that is not standard with VS 2008 Pro. (with all
installation options selected).

Does anyone have suggestions of good resources I can check out that keep the
extras separate from the standard VS product?

-Scott
Dec 8 '07 #1
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I have not yet moved to Visual Studio 2008 or .NET 3.0, so I have really
done any searching, but here are the three things that I would try:

1. I don't think it is out quite yet, but an author that writes wonderful
ASP.NET books and seems to like AJAX is Stephen Walther
(http://www.superexpert.com/Books/Asp.../Default.aspx). I expect
that in the near future he will be writing a book named ASP.NET 3.0
Unleashed. Or, if you would prefer not to wait, you can buy a different book
on ASP.NET 3.0.

2. Search the MSDN Library using the word AJAX (I'm not sure what this will
return, because Microsoft often refers to what we call AJAX as client
callbacks).

3. I'm guessing you have already tried this, but I would try looking for a
site that lists the changes between ASP.NET 2.0 and ASP.NET 3.0. Somewhere
on one of the pages there you should be able to find the namespaces involved
with the AJAX of ASP.NET 3.0 (I believe Microsoft has a page that lists the
changes between 2.0 and 3.0)
--
Nathan Sokalski
nj********@hotmail.com
http://www.nathansokalski.com/

"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
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I'd like to start working with Ajax in VS 2008 Pro., but it's important
that I not use anything that is not standard with VS 2008 Pro. (with all
installation options selected).

Does anyone have suggestions of good resources I can check out that keep
the extras separate from the standard VS product?

-Scott

Dec 10 '07 #2

"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
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I'd like to start working with Ajax in VS 2008 Pro., but it's important
that I not use anything that is not standard with VS 2008 Pro. (with all
installation options selected).

Does anyone have suggestions of good resources I can check out that keep
the extras separate from the standard VS product?
can't you just stick to what's in your VS08 Pro install? or did you already
install some Ajax "extras" ?

if you need to keep things like this absolutely separated you might consider
using a virtual machine ...

Dec 10 '07 #3
Hi Scott,

The core functions of ASP.NET AJAX is now built-in in .NET Framework 3.5.
To get additional ready-to-use AJAX enabled controls, you might need Ajax
Control Toolkit which is released under Microsoft Permissive License and is
always a separate download.

ScottGu's blog has more information on this:

#ASP.NET AJAX in .NET 3.5 and VS 2008 - ScottGu's Blog
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archi...-in-net-3-5-an
d-vs-2008.aspx

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Walter Wang (wa****@online.microsoft.com, remove 'online.')
Microsoft Online Community Support

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Dec 10 '07 #4
Thanks Nathan, but I am looking for concrete references that meet my needs.
I know where I can search for online stuff and these mostly come back with
references to VS 2005 and the Ajax Toolkit, which is why I posted the
particular question I did.
"Nathan Sokalski" <nj********@hotmail.comwrote in message
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>I have not yet moved to Visual Studio 2008 or .NET 3.0, so I have really
done any searching, but here are the three things that I would try:

1. I don't think it is out quite yet, but an author that writes wonderful
ASP.NET books and seems to like AJAX is Stephen Walther
(http://www.superexpert.com/Books/Asp.../Default.aspx). I expect
that in the near future he will be writing a book named ASP.NET 3.0
Unleashed. Or, if you would prefer not to wait, you can buy a different
book on ASP.NET 3.0.

2. Search the MSDN Library using the word AJAX (I'm not sure what this
will return, because Microsoft often refers to what we call AJAX as client
callbacks).

3. I'm guessing you have already tried this, but I would try looking for a
site that lists the changes between ASP.NET 2.0 and ASP.NET 3.0. Somewhere
on one of the pages there you should be able to find the namespaces
involved with the AJAX of ASP.NET 3.0 (I believe Microsoft has a page that
lists the changes between 2.0 and 3.0)
--
Nathan Sokalski
nj********@hotmail.com
http://www.nathansokalski.com/

"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I'd like to start working with Ajax in VS 2008 Pro., but it's important
that I not use anything that is not standard with VS 2008 Pro. (with all
installation options selected).

Does anyone have suggestions of good resources I can check out that keep
the extras separate from the standard VS product?

-Scott


Dec 10 '07 #5
I don't think you've understood my question. I want to just stick to what's
in my 2008 install, that's the whole point of my question. No, I did not
install any Ajax extras and I don't want to do that. It's not a matter of
keeping things separated, I need to find resources on how to use what is
installed by default, as adding extras is not an option in my business
environment.
"Barrie Wilson" <bw*****@nowhere.comwrote in message
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>
"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I'd like to start working with Ajax in VS 2008 Pro., but it's important
that I not use anything that is not standard with VS 2008 Pro. (with all
installation options selected).

Does anyone have suggestions of good resources I can check out that keep
the extras separate from the standard VS product?

can't you just stick to what's in your VS08 Pro install? or did you
already install some Ajax "extras" ?

if you need to keep things like this absolutely separated you might
consider using a virtual machine ...



Dec 10 '07 #6
"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
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as adding extras is not an option in my business environment.
Even if those extras are partially written by (and fully approved by)
Microsoft, and specifically designed to be added into VS.NET...?
http://www.codeplex.com/AtlasControlToolkit
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Dec 10 '07 #7
Yes.
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
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"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:eX**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>as adding extras is not an option in my business environment.

Even if those extras are partially written by (and fully approved by)
Microsoft, and specifically designed to be added into VS.NET...?
http://www.codeplex.com/AtlasControlToolkit
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Dec 10 '07 #8
"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
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"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
news:u$**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:eX**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>as adding extras is not an option in my business environment.

Even if those extras are partially written by (and fully approved by)
Microsoft, and specifically designed to be added into VS.NET...?
http://www.codeplex.com/AtlasControlToolkit

Yes.
Well, best of luck to you, then - you're really going to need it...

Why are you not writing your apps in Notepad, AAMOI...?
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Dec 10 '07 #9
"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
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What is so terribly difficult to understand about that?
Because it's unbelievably short-sighted...

The AJAX Control Toolkit is specifically designed to be an add-on to Visual
Studio.NET to make development of AJAX solutions easier - how on earth can
that possibly be a bad thing...?

What about Web Deployment Projects? Are you not "allowed" to use those
either...?
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Dec 10 '07 #10
Gee thanks for the help Mark. I didn't know that asking a question about
the default features of VS 2008 would warrant such a response. Did it ever
occur to you that sometimes development is done in environments that are
dictated by the Enterprise and that developers are not free to just add new
software because someone in a newsgroup told them to?

"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:uC**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
news:u$**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:eX**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

as adding extras is not an option in my business environment.

Even if those extras are partially written by (and fully approved by)
Microsoft, and specifically designed to be added into VS.NET...?
http://www.codeplex.com/AtlasControlToolkit

Yes.

Well, best of luck to you, then - you're really going to need it...

Why are you not writing your apps in Notepad, AAMOI...?
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Dec 10 '07 #11

"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
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"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
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>What is so terribly difficult to understand about that?

Because it's unbelievably short-sighted...
Perhaps, but it's not my decision to make and it is counter prodcutive to
tell me what I "should" install when I've already told you that I can't.
>
The AJAX Control Toolkit is specifically designed to be an add-on to
Visual Studio.NET to make development of AJAX solutions easier - how on
earth can that possibly be a bad thing...?
I don't know, but as I've said repeatedly, it's not within my control, so
the point is mute.
>
What about Web Deployment Projects? Are you not "allowed" to use those
either...?
No, as a matter of fact, I'm not since all deployment is done via Tivoli
pushes.
>

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Dec 10 '07 #12
"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
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"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
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>"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:OE*************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>What is so terribly difficult to understand about that?

Because it's unbelievably short-sighted...

Perhaps, but it's not my decision to make and it is counter prodcutive to
tell me what I "should" install when I've already told you that I can't.

Then I would respectfully suggest that you find another job ASAP, as whoever
has imposed this laughable restriction on you is seriously hindering your
career...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Dec 10 '07 #13
"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Gee thanks for the help Mark. I didn't know that asking a question about
the default features of VS 2008 would warrant such a response. Did it
ever occur to you that sometimes development is done in environments that
are dictated by the Enterprise and that developers are not free to just
add new software because someone in a newsgroup told them to?
There's a world of difference from installing some 3rd-party add-on that
you've found on tucows and installing a companion toolkit made by Microsoft
specifically to be used in conjunction with another Microsoft product...

You, as a developer, are being prevented from developing the best solution
because you are not allowed (by someone who clearly hasn't the remotest
understanding of any of this) to use the tools specifically designed for the
job...

That would be akin to preventing XP users from installing the latest service
pack because it didn't come with the original release...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Dec 10 '07 #14

"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
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Please see my replies to Mark. And, please re-read your posts to see who
has been what and to whom.
this is what I see:

-------------------------------

Scott M. -- 12-08-2007 10:27am
Does anyone have suggestions of good resources I can check out that keep the
extras separate from the standard VS product?
Barrie Wilson -- 12-10-2007 11:30am
you wanted to know how to "keep the extras separate from the standard VS
product,"
Scott M -- 12-10-2007 2:00pm
I never said I wanted to "keep the extras separate from the standard VS
product"

-----------------------------

you got the picture yet, Scott? ... that's why I've had enough of this
petulant, self-absorbed nonsense

BW


Dec 11 '07 #15
Then you obviously don't comprehend English Bruce. I did not say that I
wanted to keep the extra features separate, as you say, I said I wanted
resources that keep the extras separate.

Now, you can sling insults all you want, but that doesn't change the simple
question I asked and the fact that you haven't provided anything that
resembles an answer to it.

"Barrie Wilson" <bw*****@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:13*************@corp.supernews.com...
>
"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:uR**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>Please see my replies to Mark. And, please re-read your posts to see who
has been what and to whom.

this is what I see:

-------------------------------

Scott M. -- 12-08-2007 10:27am
Does anyone have suggestions of good resources I can check out that keep
the extras separate from the standard VS product?
Barrie Wilson -- 12-10-2007 11:30am
you wanted to know how to "keep the extras separate from the standard VS
product,"
Scott M -- 12-10-2007 2:00pm
I never said I wanted to "keep the extras separate from the standard VS
product"

-----------------------------

you got the picture yet, Scott? ... that's why I've had enough of this
petulant, self-absorbed nonsense

BW


Dec 11 '07 #16
And, what part of "but it's important that I not use anything that is not
standard with VS 2008 Pro." did you not understand?

It's obvious that you are just going on the offensive here because you have
no defense. You screwed up and posted a reply that has no bearing on the
question and you would rather call people names than be of any genuine help.

It was a simple enough question.

"Barrie Wilson" <bw*****@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:13*************@corp.supernews.com...
>
"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:uR**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>Please see my replies to Mark. And, please re-read your posts to see who
has been what and to whom.

this is what I see:

-------------------------------

Scott M. -- 12-08-2007 10:27am
Does anyone have suggestions of good resources I can check out that keep
the extras separate from the standard VS product?
Barrie Wilson -- 12-10-2007 11:30am
you wanted to know how to "keep the extras separate from the standard VS
product,"
Scott M -- 12-10-2007 2:00pm
I never said I wanted to "keep the extras separate from the standard VS
product"

-----------------------------

you got the picture yet, Scott? ... that's why I've had enough of this
petulant, self-absorbed nonsense

BW


Dec 11 '07 #17
Sorry, got the name wrong. It's Barrie that has not understood English,
been rude, and of no help.

My apologies to the Bruces out there.

"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:uz**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Then you obviously don't comprehend English Bruce. I did not say that I
wanted to keep the extra features separate, as you say, I said I wanted
resources that keep the extras separate.

Now, you can sling insults all you want, but that doesn't change the
simple question I asked and the fact that you haven't provided anything
that resembles an answer to it.

"Barrie Wilson" <bw*****@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:13*************@corp.supernews.com...
>>
"Scott M." <sm**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:uR**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>Please see my replies to Mark. And, please re-read your posts to see
who has been what and to whom.

this is what I see:

-------------------------------

Scott M. -- 12-08-2007 10:27am
Does anyone have suggestions of good resources I can check out that keep
the extras separate from the standard VS product?
Barrie Wilson -- 12-10-2007 11:30am
you wanted to know how to "keep the extras separate from the standard VS
product,"
Scott M -- 12-10-2007 2:00pm
I never said I wanted to "keep the extras separate from the standard VS
product"

-----------------------------

you got the picture yet, Scott? ... that's why I've had enough of this
petulant, self-absorbed nonsense

BW



Dec 11 '07 #18

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