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JJ
I see the new software is 'RTM' but what does that mean in terms of when we
can actually purchase it?

Thanks,
JJ
Nov 21 '07 #1
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I see the new software is 'RTM' but what does that mean in terms of
when we can actually purchase it?
MSDN subscribers can download now

Others can have access to a trial now.

I have heard that it will be available to general retail by about Jan

The trial edition lasts 90 days though so you could reasonably use that until
the retail version was available.

I am not sure if you can upgrade from a Trial to another edition. It might
require that you manually uninstall the trial and then install a full edition.

But either way this gives most people a good way forward.

The express editions are another alternative.

--
Rory
Nov 21 '07 #2

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JJ
Do you know if Visual Studio Professional 2008 has any advantages over
Visual Web Developer Express if you are just using Visual Studio for web
development?

And can you develop .net framework 2.0 site with VS 2008?

Do many hosts now support .net 3.5? I'm concerned about jumping into this
too early and finding I can't use some hosts?

Sorry for all the questions!

Thanks,
JJ

"Rory Becker" <Ro********@newsgroup.nospamwrote in message
news:b0**************************@msnews.microsoft .com...
>I see the new software is 'RTM' but what does that mean in terms of
when we can actually purchase it?

MSDN subscribers can download now

Others can have access to a trial now.

I have heard that it will be available to general retail by about Jan

The trial edition lasts 90 days though so you could reasonably use that
until the retail version was available.

I am not sure if you can upgrade from a Trial to another edition. It might
require that you manually uninstall the trial and then install a full
edition.

But either way this gives most people a good way forward.

The express editions are another alternative.

--
Rory


Nov 21 '07 #3

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JJ
For instance, is it only professional that includes sql server?

I can't find a product comparison page for the different editions which
seems odd?!
"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
news:%2******************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Do you know if Visual Studio Professional 2008 has any advantages over
Visual Web Developer Express if you are just using Visual Studio for web
development?

And can you develop .net framework 2.0 site with VS 2008?

Do many hosts now support .net 3.5? I'm concerned about jumping into this
too early and finding I can't use some hosts?

Sorry for all the questions!

Thanks,
JJ

"Rory Becker" <Ro********@newsgroup.nospamwrote in message
news:b0**************************@msnews.microsoft .com...
>>I see the new software is 'RTM' but what does that mean in terms of
when we can actually purchase it?

MSDN subscribers can download now

Others can have access to a trial now.

I have heard that it will be available to general retail by about Jan

The trial edition lasts 90 days though so you could reasonably use that
until the retail version was available.

I am not sure if you can upgrade from a Trial to another edition. It
might require that you manually uninstall the trial and then install a
full edition.

But either way this gives most people a good way forward.

The express editions are another alternative.

--
Rory



Nov 21 '07 #4

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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
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For instance, is it only professional that includes sql server?

I can't find a product comparison page for the different editions which
seems odd?!
The express editions are for learning and hobbyists. You can connect to a
SQL Express database using the express editions, but not any other SQL
Server edition.
Nov 21 '07 #5

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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
news:%2******************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Do you know if Visual Studio Professional 2008 has any advantages over
Visual Web Developer Express if you are just using Visual Studio for web
development?
Any 'advanced' features are missing from the express edition. If you are
just creating a simple website by yourself using SQL Express then you can
stick with the express edition.
And can you develop .net framework 2.0 site with VS 2008?
Yes, you can now pick which framework version you want to create a project
against
Do many hosts now support .net 3.5? I'm concerned about jumping into this
too early and finding I can't use some hosts?
Probably not yet, but I guess they'll install it soon to keep up to date
Nov 21 '07 #6

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JJ
Really? So I cannot connect to my SQL Server 2005 developer edition with
Visual Studio 2008 Web Express?
"Leon Mayne" <no*@available.comwrote in message
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>
"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>For instance, is it only professional that includes sql server?

I can't find a product comparison page for the different editions which
seems odd?!

The express editions are for learning and hobbyists. You can connect to a
SQL Express database using the express editions, but not any other SQL
Server edition.

Nov 21 '07 #7

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JJ
Its difficult to know what 'advanced' means here. I certainly want to
connect to sql 2005 (or later) databases as a minimum.
I also want to target an individual framework - not sure if that is possible
in the express edition either

I am not sure what features are missing from the express edition (regarding
web sites), due to lack of information on the microsoft site. A simple table
of comparitive features would be useful !!
"Leon Mayne" <no*@available.comwrote in message
news:eZ**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
news:%2******************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>Do you know if Visual Studio Professional 2008 has any advantages over
Visual Web Developer Express if you are just using Visual Studio for web
development?

Any 'advanced' features are missing from the express edition. If you are
just creating a simple website by yourself using SQL Express then you can
stick with the express edition.
>And can you develop .net framework 2.0 site with VS 2008?

Yes, you can now pick which framework version you want to create a project
against
>Do many hosts now support .net 3.5? I'm concerned about jumping into this
too early and finding I can't use some hosts?

Probably not yet, but I guess they'll install it soon to keep up to date

Nov 21 '07 #8

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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
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Really? So I cannot connect to my SQL Server 2005 developer edition with
Visual Studio 2008 Web Express?
I don't think so, unless this has changed in 2008.
Nov 21 '07 #9

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"Leon Mayne" <no*@available.comwrote in message
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The express editions are for learning and hobbyists. You can connect to a
SQL Express database using the express editions, but not any other SQL
Server edition.

http://forums.asp.net/p/1085034/1633160.aspx
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Nov 21 '07 #10

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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
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>The express editions are for learning and hobbyists. You can connect to a
SQL Express database using the express editions, but not any other SQL
Server edition.

Really? So I cannot connect to my SQL Server 2005 developer edition with
Visual Studio 2008 Web Express?
No - VWDE can connect to any version of SQL Server...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Nov 21 '07 #11

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JJ
Thanks - do you know what other features are missing in the express editions
regarding web development?
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
news:uW**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>The express editions are for learning and hobbyists. You can connect to
a SQL Express database using the express editions, but not any other SQL
Server edition.

Really? So I cannot connect to my SQL Server 2005 developer edition with
Visual Studio 2008 Web Express?

No - VWDE can connect to any version of SQL Server...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Nov 21 '07 #12

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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
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>>>The express editions are for learning and hobbyists. You can connect to
a SQL Express database using the express editions, but not any other
SQL Server edition.

Really? So I cannot connect to my SQL Server 2005 developer edition with
Visual Studio 2008 Web Express?

No - VWDE can connect to any version of SQL Server...

Thanks - do you know what other features are missing in the express
editions regarding web development?
No, sorry - I've never had any occasion to use it...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Nov 21 '07 #13

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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
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Its difficult to know what 'advanced' means here. I certainly want to
connect to sql 2005 (or later) databases as a minimum.
I also want to target an individual framework - not sure if that is
possible in the express edition either

I am not sure what features are missing from the express edition
(regarding web sites), due to lack of information on the microsoft site. A
simple table of comparitive features would be useful !!
Found this, but it refers to the 2005 express edition:

http://blogs.msdn.com/mikhailarkhipo...26/647516.aspx
Nov 21 '07 #14

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JJ
Thanks. Well, deployment projects are a must to deploy as dll and embed
resources, as is creating a solution with class libraries.

So I guess I'll have to wait until VS 2008 Pro becomes available. I wonder
what the upgrade cost will be and if the upgrade will disable my VS 2005
install.....

Hopefully miscrosoft will update their Visual Studio pages to give this sort
of basic information prior to the release to the public (i.e. non msdn
users)(!)

"Leon Mayne" <no*@available.comwrote in message
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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
news:un**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>Its difficult to know what 'advanced' means here. I certainly want to
connect to sql 2005 (or later) databases as a minimum.
I also want to target an individual framework - not sure if that is
possible in the express edition either

I am not sure what features are missing from the express edition
(regarding web sites), due to lack of information on the microsoft site.
A simple table of comparitive features would be useful !!

Found this, but it refers to the 2005 express edition:

http://blogs.msdn.com/mikhailarkhipo...26/647516.aspx


Nov 21 '07 #15

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So I guess I'll have to wait until VS 2008 Pro becomes available. I
wonder what the upgrade cost will be and if the upgrade will disable
my VS 2005 install.....
VS2008 should not change VS2005 in any way. With 1 minor exception.
VS2008 installs the .Net framework 3.5 which includes sp1 of .Net 2.0 framework
and therefore there may be minor internal changes to the copy of .Net 2.0
which will reside on the box.

This means you should make sure that any 2.0 apps you distribute check the
sp status of the destination machine and install sp1 of .Net 2.0 at a minimum
for maximum compatability.
--
Rory
Nov 21 '07 #16

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The following product comparison guide, for VS 2005 and VWD, should serve as a guide.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/aa700921.aspx

In general, the products will have roughly the same limitations.

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Thanks - do you know what other features are missing in the express editions regarding web development?
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message news:uW**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>The express editions are for learning and hobbyists. You can connect to a SQL Express database using the express
editions, but not any other SQL Server edition.

Really? So I cannot connect to my SQL Server 2005 developer edition with Visual Studio 2008 Web Express?

No - VWDE can connect to any version of SQL Server...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net


Nov 21 '07 #17

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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Thanks. Well, deployment projects are a must to deploy as dll and embed
resources, as is creating a solution with class libraries.

So I guess I'll have to wait until VS 2008 Pro becomes available. I wonder
what the upgrade cost will be and if the upgrade will disable my VS 2005
install.....
The best way to get Visual Studio is through an MSDN subscription anyway. If
you buy a Visual Studio Professional with MSDN Professional subscription for
about $1,100 then you can get Visual Studio 2008 Pro now, as well as all the
other programs that come with the subscription:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/vstudio/aa718657.aspx
Nov 21 '07 #18

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"Leon Mayne" <no*@available.comwrote in message
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The best way to get Visual Studio is through an MSDN subscription anyway.
Absolutely! I couldn't agree more...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Nov 21 '07 #19

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JJ
Perhaps its the best way, but not the cheapest, assuming that the final
product will cost about half that (and that I can upgrade so it'll be
cheaper again I hope).

With MSDN do you get operating systems (e.g. Vista) that are not time
limited? Could be handy for testing, but I'm not going to the effort of
installing vista if it expires in 120 days.....
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
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"Leon Mayne" <no*@available.comwrote in message
news:e2**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>The best way to get Visual Studio is through an MSDN subscription anyway.

Absolutely! I couldn't agree more...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Nov 21 '07 #20

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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
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Perhaps its the best way, but not the cheapest, assuming that the final
product will cost about half that (and that I can upgrade so it'll be
cheaper again I hope).

With MSDN do you get operating systems (e.g. Vista) that are not time
limited? Could be handy for testing, but I'm not going to the effort of
installing vista if it expires in 120 days.....
Check the page I posted:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/vstudio/aa718657.aspx
The extra tools you get are well worth the money. Nothing is time limited.
You do get operating systems, but you'll have to check the licencing terms,
as I believe you are only allowed to use them for development purposes. You
can use one set of certain programs for general use (like office apps) but
I'm not too sure about Windows. Have a look at:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/sub.../aa948864.aspx

The other benefit is that you'll get new versions of all applications for
the life of the subscription, so people who bought an MSDN subscription
earlier this year to use VS2005 automatically got VS2008 without any
additional cost.
Nov 21 '07 #21

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re:
!as well as all the other programs that come with the subscription

Remember that there are important limitations on the MSDN licenses.

From the EULA :

---000---
For each license you acquire, the licensed user may also install and use
one copy of the following desktop applications on one device for any purpose.

Office 2007 Ultimate: Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Publisher, Access, OneNote, InfoPath,
Groove, Visio Professional, Project Standard, SharePoint Portal Designer, and Office Communicator.

This Desktop Applications section of these product use rights applies to the
licensed user’s use of the Desktop Application components of the software.

These rights are in addition to the right to install supplied products for the
purpose of design, development, testing and demonstration of your programs.
---000---

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Leon Mayne" <no*@available.comwrote in message news:e2**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>Thanks. Well, deployment projects are a must to deploy as dll and embed resources, as is creating a solution with
class libraries.

So I guess I'll have to wait until VS 2008 Pro becomes available. I wonder what the upgrade cost will be and if the
upgrade will disable my VS 2005 install.....

The best way to get Visual Studio is through an MSDN subscription anyway. If you buy a Visual Studio Professional with
MSDN Professional subscription for about $1,100 then you can get Visual Studio 2008 Pro now, as well as all the other
programs that come with the subscription:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/vstudio/aa718657.aspx



Nov 21 '07 #22

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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
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"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
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>"Leon Mayne" <no*@available.comwrote in message
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>>The best way to get Visual Studio is through an MSDN subscription
anyway.

Absolutely! I couldn't agree more...

Perhaps its the best way, but not the cheapest, assuming that the final
product will cost about half that (and that I can upgrade so it'll be
cheaper again I hope).
Depends on your requirements, I suppose...
With MSDN do you get operating systems (e.g. Vista) that are not time
limited?
Yes. An MSDN subscription gives you unlimited licences for all of the
software in the level of subscription that you choose so long as it is used
for development, testing and demonstration purposes:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/sub.../aa718657.aspx

Also, you are allowed to use one copy of Windows (of your choice) and one
copy of Office to run your business...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Nov 21 '07 #23

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JJ
Thanks Mark. That helps.

If it was a case of having to buy vista aswell as msdn then its definately a
no.

However, now I have to balance the cost of:
Vista (ultimate for disk encrypt) + Office 2007 Pro + Visual Studio 2008 Pro
against:
MSDN

Not sure how that will balance out at the moment as I'm still trying to get
all the prices together. This is all used for development so I am not going
against any licensing.



"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
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>"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
news:e%****************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>"Leon Mayne" <no*@available.comwrote in message
news:e2**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

The best way to get Visual Studio is through an MSDN subscription
anyway.

Absolutely! I couldn't agree more...

Perhaps its the best way, but not the cheapest, assuming that the final
product will cost about half that (and that I can upgrade so it'll be
cheaper again I hope).

Depends on your requirements, I suppose...
>With MSDN do you get operating systems (e.g. Vista) that are not time
limited?

Yes. An MSDN subscription gives you unlimited licences for all of the
software in the level of subscription that you choose so long as it is
used for development, testing and demonstration purposes:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/sub.../aa718657.aspx

Also, you are allowed to use one copy of Windows (of your choice) and one
copy of Office to run your business...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Nov 21 '07 #24

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"JJ" <ab*@xyz.comwrote in message
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Thanks Mark. That helps.

If it was a case of having to buy vista aswell as msdn then its definately
a no.

However, now I have to balance the cost of:
Vista (ultimate for disk encrypt) + Office 2007 Pro + Visual Studio 2008
Pro
against: MSDN

Not sure how that will balance out at the moment as I'm still trying to
get all the prices together. This is all used for development so I am not
going against any licensing.
As I said, it depends what sort of work you do...

E.g. I have one main development machine running 64-bit Vista Business,
Visual Studio.NET Pro, Office 2007 Ultimate, SQL Server 2005 Developer
Edition etc - the cost of just that software alone is greater than the
lowest level MSDN subscription...

However, I also have a whole slew of other virtual machines which I use for
testing. E.g. I have two virtual machines (one running WinXPPro and the
other running Vista Home Premium) just for cross-browser testing - they have
FireFox, Netscape, Opera, Safari etc installed which I would not want on my
my main development machine. I have another virtual machine just for beta
software, currently running the latest CTP of SQL Server 2008, Silverlight
1.1 etc.

If I get a new piece of work which involves e.g. BizTalk, or Exchange, or
whatever, I don't have to worry about whether I can afford the software to
do the work or not...

Until recently, I supported an extremely ancient project running on NT4,
IIS3, MTS2 and SQL 6.5 (yes, really!) Again, that was all running on a
virtual machine.

Similarly, if I get a support call, I can very quickly build a machine with
exactly the same software as the client who is experiencing the problem, and
not have to worry about it...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

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