What's the new thing after ActiveX?

[ThunderMusic]

Hi,
I need to do some graphics work from my ASP.NET 2.0 Website (can upgrade to
3.0 if really needed). Actually, I need the user to be able to draw some
things in a rectangle. Some years ago I would have do it using ActiveX, but
now I know MS has a new philosophy about this, probably driven to more and
more security.

What I want to know is : What's the new thing now? Is "the new thing"
working on Windows, Mac and Linux? What about IE, Netscape, Firefox and
Opera? Should I resolve to use Java (I'd really appreciate if I could avoid
it)? Would the installation of the .NET Framework be required on the client
machine?

Actually, I don't need the control (or whatever it's called) to work on
everything, but the most would be the better... The bare minumum would be
Windows and Mac, IE and Netscape (and Firefox for instance)

Thanks

ThunderMusic

[Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]]

WPF/E

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/asp.net/bb187358.aspx

"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

Hi,
I need to do some graphics work from my ASP.NET 2.0 Website (can upgrade
to 3.0 if really needed). Actually, I need the user to be able to draw
some things in a rectangle. Some years ago I would have do it using
ActiveX, but now I know MS has a new philosophy about this, probably
driven to more and more security.

What I want to know is : What's the new thing now? Is "the new thing"
working on Windows, Mac and Linux? What about IE, Netscape, Firefox and
Opera? Should I resolve to use Java (I'd really appreciate if I could
avoid it)? Would the installation of the .NET Framework be required on the
client machine?

Actually, I don't need the control (or whatever it's called) to work on
everything, but the most would be the better... The bare minumum would be
Windows and Mac, IE and Netscape (and Firefox for instance)

Thanks

ThunderMusic

[ThunderMusic]

great it's exactly what I need... does it require .NET framework? if it does
which one does it require? is 2.0 enough? (I can't find those answers on the
site even with a quick look at the FAQ)

thanks a lot

ThunderMusic
"Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" <BA**********@newsgroups.nospamwrote in message
news:eV**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

WPF/E

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/asp.net/bb187358.aspx

"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>Hi,
I need to do some graphics work from my ASP.NET 2.0 Website (can upgrade
to 3.0 if really needed). Actually, I need the user to be able to draw
some things in a rectangle. Some years ago I would have do it using
ActiveX, but now I know MS has a new philosophy about this, probably
driven to more and more security.

What I want to know is : What's the new thing now? Is "the new thing"
working on Windows, Mac and Linux? What about IE, Netscape, Firefox and
Opera? Should I resolve to use Java (I'd really appreciate if I could
avoid it)? Would the installation of the .NET Framework be required on
the client machine?

Actually, I don't need the control (or whatever it's called) to work on
everything, but the most would be the better... The bare minumum would
be Windows and Mac, IE and Netscape (and Firefox for instance)

Thanks

ThunderMusic

[ThunderMusic]

ok, I found it... it's shipped with .NET 3.0... I hope my host will upgrade
soon... ;)

thanks a lot

ThunderMusic

"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:up**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

great it's exactly what I need... does it require .NET framework? if it
does which one does it require? is 2.0 enough? (I can't find those answers
on the site even with a quick look at the FAQ)

thanks a lot

ThunderMusic
"Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" <BA**********@newsgroups.nospamwrote in
message news:eV**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>WPF/E

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/asp.net/bb187358.aspx

"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>Hi,
I need to do some graphics work from my ASP.NET 2.0 Website (can upgrade
to 3.0 if really needed). Actually, I need the user to be able to draw
some things in a rectangle. Some years ago I would have do it using
ActiveX, but now I know MS has a new philosophy about this, probably
driven to more and more security.

What I want to know is : What's the new thing now? Is "the new thing"
working on Windows, Mac and Linux? What about IE, Netscape, Firefox and
Opera? Should I resolve to use Java (I'd really appreciate if I could
avoid it)? Would the installation of the .NET Framework be required on
the client machine?

Actually, I don't need the control (or whatever it's called) to work on
everything, but the most would be the better... The bare minumum would
be Windows and Mac, IE and Netscape (and Firefox for instance)

Thanks

ThunderMusic

[bruce barker]

wpf/e is a browser plugin and which downloads a xml content file and
support javascript. ms has tools coming out that will help create these
content files.

you just need your users to install the plugin, and host the xml files
and addition content files on you host. no new host software required.

to develop an mpf/e application all you need is notepad.
-- bruce (sqlwork.com)

ThunderMusic wrote:

ok, I found it... it's shipped with .NET 3.0... I hope my host will upgrade
soon... ;)

thanks a lot

ThunderMusic

"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:up**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>great it's exactly what I need... does it require .NET framework? if it
does which one does it require? is 2.0 enough? (I can't find those answers
on the site even with a quick look at the FAQ)

thanks a lot

ThunderMusic
"Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" <BA**********@newsgroups.nospamwrote in
message news:eV**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>WPF/E

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/asp.net/bb187358.aspx

"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi,
I need to do some graphics work from my ASP.NET 2.0 Website (can upgrade
to 3.0 if really needed). Actually, I need the user to be able to draw
some things in a rectangle. Some years ago I would have do it using
ActiveX, but now I know MS has a new philosophy about this, probably
driven to more and more security.

What I want to know is : What's the new thing now? Is "the new thing"
working on Windows, Mac and Linux? What about IE, Netscape, Firefox and
Opera? Should I resolve to use Java (I'd really appreciate if I could
avoid it)? Would the installation of the .NET Framework be required on
the client machine?

Actually, I don't need the control (or whatever it's called) to work on
everything, but the most would be the better... The bare minumum would
be Windows and Mac, IE and Netscape (and Firefox for instance)

Thanks

ThunderMusic

[William Stacey [C# MVP]]

I also just heard wpf/e is working on being able to use c# as well as script
(on the client) and it will work with different platforms. Now if that is
not some neat news, not sure what is.

--
William Stacey [C# MVP]

"bruce barker" <no****@nospam.comwrote in message
news:u9*************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| wpf/e is a browser plugin and which downloads a xml content file and
| support javascript. ms has tools coming out that will help create these
| content files.
|
| you just need your users to install the plugin, and host the xml files
| and addition content files on you host. no new host software required.
|
| to develop an mpf/e application all you need is notepad.
|
|
| -- bruce (sqlwork.com)
|
| ThunderMusic wrote:
| ok, I found it... it's shipped with .NET 3.0... I hope my host will
upgrade
| soon... ;)
| >
| thanks a lot
| >
| ThunderMusic
| >
| >
| >
| "ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
| news:up**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| >great it's exactly what I need... does it require .NET framework? if it
| >does which one does it require? is 2.0 enough? (I can't find those
answers
| >on the site even with a quick look at the FAQ)
| >>
| >thanks a lot
| >>
| >ThunderMusic
| >>
| >>
| >"Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" <BA**********@newsgroups.nospamwrote in
| >message news:eV**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| >>WPF/E
| >>>
| >>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/asp.net/bb187358.aspx
| >>>
| >>"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in
message
| >>news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| >>>Hi,
| >>>I need to do some graphics work from my ASP.NET 2.0 Website (can
upgrade
| >>>to 3.0 if really needed). Actually, I need the user to be able to
draw
| >>>some things in a rectangle. Some years ago I would have do it using
| >>>ActiveX, but now I know MS has a new philosophy about this, probably
| >>>driven to more and more security.
| >>>>
| >>>What I want to know is : What's the new thing now? Is "the new thing"
| >>>working on Windows, Mac and Linux? What about IE, Netscape, Firefox
and
| >>>Opera? Should I resolve to use Java (I'd really appreciate if I
could
| >>>avoid it)? Would the installation of the .NET Framework be required
on
| >>>the client machine?
| >>>>
| >>>Actually, I don't need the control (or whatever it's called) to work
on
| >>>everything, but the most would be the better... The bare minumum
would
| >>>be Windows and Mac, IE and Netscape (and Firefox for instance)
| >>>>
| >>>Thanks
| >>>>
| >>>ThunderMusic
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>
| >
| >

[Laurent Bugnion [MVP]]

Hi,

William Stacey [C# MVP] wrote:

I also just heard wpf/e is working on being able to use c# as well as script
(on the client) and it will work with different platforms. Now if that is
not some neat news, not sure what is.

That's correct. The current WPF/E version is a (first) CTP, which
supports only JavaScript "code-behind". However it's quite neat already,
because the XAML DOM is fully accessible to the script, so you can
actually change it on the client.

Currently, WPF/E plug-in is available for IE, Firefox, Safari (yes,
that's Mac). Normally, a Linux version should be in preparation.

In the V1 (which is announced for MIX07, end of April), you will also be
able to write C# code-behind. A subset of the framework only will be
supported, but it's not clear yet which functionalities will be removed.

HTH,
Laurent
--
Laurent Bugnion [MVP ASP.NET]
Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch
PhotoAlbum: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch/pictures
Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch

[ThunderMusic]

ok, so if I want to do a new drawing program, it will be possible with that?
right?

I've read on the site the 3D support can be expected soon... Will it use
XNA, OpenGL or some other type of API?

thanks

ThunderMusic

"Laurent Bugnion [MVP]" <ga*********@bluewin.chwrote in message
news:uA**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

Hi,

William Stacey [C# MVP] wrote:

>I also just heard wpf/e is working on being able to use c# as well as
script (on the client) and it will work with different platforms. Now if
that is not some neat news, not sure what is.

That's correct. The current WPF/E version is a (first) CTP, which supports
only JavaScript "code-behind". However it's quite neat already, because
the XAML DOM is fully accessible to the script, so you can actually change
it on the client.

Currently, WPF/E plug-in is available for IE, Firefox, Safari (yes, that's
Mac). Normally, a Linux version should be in preparation.

In the V1 (which is announced for MIX07, end of April), you will also be
able to write C# code-behind. A subset of the framework only will be
supported, but it's not clear yet which functionalities will be removed.

HTH,
Laurent
--
Laurent Bugnion [MVP ASP.NET]
Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch
PhotoAlbum: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch/pictures
Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch

[Laurent Bugnion [MVP]]

Hi,

ThunderMusic wrote:

ok, so if I want to do a new drawing program, it will be possible with that?
right?

I've read on the site the 3D support can be expected soon... Will it use
XNA, OpenGL or some other type of API?

thanks

WPF (not E) currently uses DirectX 10 for 3D. It is optimized for Vista,
and relies on hardware acceleration (on cards supporting it) for
smoother animations.

What WPF/E will (would) use for 3D is not clear yet. Note that using
JavaScript matrix transformations, some 3D effects can be done already
in WPF/E, and are surprisingly smooth. For more info, see this video:
http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=263358
(JavaScript 3D animations after 19:30)

For more info about 3D in general (and probably about 3D in WPF/E too),
try talking to Daniel Lehenbauer.
http://blogs.msdn.com/danlehen/default.aspx

Greetings,
Laurent
--
Laurent Bugnion [MVP ASP.NET]
Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch
PhotoAlbum: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch/pictures
Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch

[Steve C. Orr [MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASP Insider]]

You could use an embedded windows forms control.
Here are the details:
http://SteveOrr.net/articles/WinformControls.aspx

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr,
MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASPInsider
http://SteveOrr.net
"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

Hi,
I need to do some graphics work from my ASP.NET 2.0 Website (can upgrade
to 3.0 if really needed). Actually, I need the user to be able to draw
some things in a rectangle. Some years ago I would have do it using
ActiveX, but now I know MS has a new philosophy about this, probably
driven to more and more security.

What I want to know is : What's the new thing now? Is "the new thing"
working on Windows, Mac and Linux? What about IE, Netscape, Firefox and
Opera? Should I resolve to use Java (I'd really appreciate if I could
avoid it)? Would the installation of the .NET Framework be required on the
client machine?

Actually, I don't need the control (or whatever it's called) to work on
everything, but the most would be the better... The bare minumum would be
Windows and Mac, IE and Netscape (and Firefox for instance)

Thanks

ThunderMusic

[ThunderMusic]

is it limited to Windows or will it work on Mac too?

thanks

ThunderMusic

"Steve C. Orr [MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASP Insider]" <St***@Orr.netwrote in
message news:75**********************************@microsof t.com...

You could use an embedded windows forms control.
Here are the details:
http://SteveOrr.net/articles/WinformControls.aspx

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr,
MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASPInsider
http://SteveOrr.net
"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>Hi,
I need to do some graphics work from my ASP.NET 2.0 Website (can upgrade
to 3.0 if really needed). Actually, I need the user to be able to draw
some things in a rectangle. Some years ago I would have do it using
ActiveX, but now I know MS has a new philosophy about this, probably
driven to more and more security.

What I want to know is : What's the new thing now? Is "the new thing"
working on Windows, Mac and Linux? What about IE, Netscape, Firefox and
Opera? Should I resolve to use Java (I'd really appreciate if I could
avoid it)? Would the installation of the .NET Framework be required on
the client machine?

Actually, I don't need the control (or whatever it's called) to work on
everything, but the most would be the better... The bare minumum would
be Windows and Mac, IE and Netscape (and Firefox for instance)

Thanks

ThunderMusic

[Steve C. Orr [MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASP Insider]]

It's limited to windows and the windows user must have the .NET framework
installed.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr,
MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASPInsider
http://SteveOrr.net
"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:ux**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

is it limited to Windows or will it work on Mac too?

thanks

ThunderMusic

"Steve C. Orr [MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASP Insider]" <St***@Orr.netwrote in
message news:75**********************************@microsof t.com...

>You could use an embedded windows forms control.
Here are the details:
http://SteveOrr.net/articles/WinformControls.aspx

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr,
MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASPInsider
http://SteveOrr.net
"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>Hi,
I need to do some graphics work from my ASP.NET 2.0 Website (can upgrade
to 3.0 if really needed). Actually, I need the user to be able to draw
some things in a rectangle. Some years ago I would have do it using
ActiveX, but now I know MS has a new philosophy about this, probably
driven to more and more security.

What I want to know is : What's the new thing now? Is "the new thing"
working on Windows, Mac and Linux? What about IE, Netscape, Firefox and
Opera? Should I resolve to use Java (I'd really appreciate if I could
avoid it)? Would the installation of the .NET Framework be required on
the client machine?

Actually, I don't need the control (or whatever it's called) to work on
everything, but the most would be the better... The bare minumum would
be Windows and Mac, IE and Netscape (and Firefox for instance)

Thanks

ThunderMusic

[Ralph]

Wasn't ActiveX also limited to windows too though?
"Steve C. Orr [MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASP Insider]" <St***@Orr.netwrote in
message news:C8**********************************@microsof t.com...

It's limited to windows and the windows user must have the .NET framework
installed.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr,
MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASPInsider
http://SteveOrr.net
"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:ux**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>is it limited to Windows or will it work on Mac too?

thanks

ThunderMusic

"Steve C. Orr [MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASP Insider]" <St***@Orr.netwrote in
message news:75**********************************@microsof t.com...

>>You could use an embedded windows forms control.
Here are the details:
http://SteveOrr.net/articles/WinformControls.aspx

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr,
MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASPInsider
http://SteveOrr.net
"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi,
I need to do some graphics work from my ASP.NET 2.0 Website (can
upgrade to 3.0 if really needed). Actually, I need the user to be able
to draw some things in a rectangle. Some years ago I would have do it
using ActiveX, but now I know MS has a new philosophy about this,
probably driven to more and more security.

What I want to know is : What's the new thing now? Is "the new thing"
working on Windows, Mac and Linux? What about IE, Netscape, Firefox and
Opera? Should I resolve to use Java (I'd really appreciate if I could
avoid it)? Would the installation of the .NET Framework be required on
the client machine?

Actually, I don't need the control (or whatever it's called) to work on
everything, but the most would be the better... The bare minumum would
be Windows and Mac, IE and Netscape (and Firefox for instance)

Thanks

ThunderMusic

[Alvin Bruney [MVP]]

There are plug-ins for other browsers.
You don't need to post this to every newsgroup you can find btw.

--
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"Ralph" <ra******@hotmail.comwrote in message
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Wasn't ActiveX also limited to windows too though?
"Steve C. Orr [MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASP Insider]" <St***@Orr.netwrote in
message news:C8**********************************@microsof t.com...

>It's limited to windows and the windows user must have the .NET framework
installed.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr,
MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASPInsider
http://SteveOrr.net
"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in message
news:ux**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>is it limited to Windows or will it work on Mac too?

thanks

ThunderMusic

"Steve C. Orr [MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASP Insider]" <St***@Orr.netwrote in
message news:75**********************************@microsof t.com...
You could use an embedded windows forms control.
Here are the details:
http://SteveOrr.net/articles/WinformControls.aspx

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr,
MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASPInsider
http://SteveOrr.net
"ThunderMusic" <No*************************@NoSpAm.comwrote in
message news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi,
I need to do some graphics work from my ASP.NET 2.0 Website (can
upgrade to 3.0 if really needed). Actually, I need the user to be able
to draw some things in a rectangle. Some years ago I would have do it
using ActiveX, but now I know MS has a new philosophy about this,
probably driven to more and more security.
>
What I want to know is : What's the new thing now? Is "the new thing"
working on Windows, Mac and Linux? What about IE, Netscape, Firefox
and Opera? Should I resolve to use Java (I'd really appreciate if I
could avoid it)? Would the installation of the .NET Framework be
required on the client machine?
>
Actually, I don't need the control (or whatever it's called) to work
on everything, but the most would be the better... The bare minumum
would be Windows and Mac, IE and Netscape (and Firefox for instance)
>
Thanks
>
ThunderMusic
>