Visual Studio.NET 2005 Service Pack 1

[Mark Rae]

http://msdn.microsoft.com:80/vstudio...1/default.aspx

1) This is big - nearly 500Mb

2) If you have WAP installed, you must uninstall it first - WDP doesn't need
to be uninstalled

3) It will almost certainly take over an hour to install!!!

[Laurent Bugnion]

Hi Mark,

Mark Rae wrote:

http://msdn.microsoft.com:80/vstudio...1/default.aspx

1) This is big - nearly 500Mb

Having had to download the 1.16 GB big Windows SDK for .NET 3.0 at least
once every month since March, I don't feel that 430 MB or so are that
big ;-) It took me 3 minutes to download the SP1.

Greetings,
Laurent
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[Mark Rae]

"Laurent Bugnion" <ga*********@bluewin.chwrote in message
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It took me 3 minutes to download the SP1.

And how long to install it...?

[Stuart]

>
3) It will almost certainly take over an hour to install!!!

Possibly longer:

"The download you requested is unavailable. If you continue to see this
message when trying to access this download, go to the "Search for a
Download" area on the Download Center home page."

[Mark Rae]

"Stuart" <[e-mail] in message
news:0F**********************************@microsof t.com...

>3) It will almost certainly take over an hour to install!!!

Possibly longer:

"The download you requested is unavailable. If you continue to see this
message when trying to access this download, go to the "Search for a
Download" area on the Download Center home page."

I guess the site is getting hammered...

[Juan T. Llibre]

I downloaded VS 2005 SP1 + all the Express products SP's
before the site started getting hammered.

;-)

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"Stuart" <[e-mail] in message
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>>3) It will almost certainly take over an hour to install!!!

Possibly longer:

"The download you requested is unavailable. If you continue to see this message when trying to
access this download, go to the "Search for a Download" area on the Download Center home page."

I guess the site is getting hammered...

[Laurent Bugnion]

Hi,

Mark Rae wrote:

"Laurent Bugnion" <ga*********@bluewin.chwrote in message
news:O1**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>It took me 3 minutes to download the SP1.

And how long to install it...?

Didn't do it yet. Your word of caution (as well as others I read) made
me decide to wait until I find a good time.

Greetings,
Laurent
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[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

Didn't do it yet. Your word of caution (as well as others I read) made me decide to wait until I
find a good time.

I figure we're headed for there anyway, so I installed it right away.
No problem so far.


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"Laurent Bugnion" <ga*********@bluewin.chwrote in message
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Hi,

Mark Rae wrote:

>"Laurent Bugnion" <ga*********@bluewin.chwrote in message
news:O1**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>It took me 3 minutes to download the SP1.

And how long to install it...?

Didn't do it yet. Your word of caution (as well as others I read) made me decide to wait until I
find a good time.

Greetings,
Laurent
--
Laurent Bugnion, GalaSoft
Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch
PhotoAlbum: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch/pictures
Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch

[Mark Rae]

"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message
news:uw**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

http://msdn.microsoft.com:80/vstudio...1/default.aspx

Hmm - interesting...

1) Uninstalled "old" WAP.

2) Started installation of SP1

3) Went to the pub to watch the match

4) After installation of SP1, rebooted machine - it didn't ask me too, but
this isn't my first day... ;-)

5) Opened all my existing web application projects - all recompiled without
error in both Debug and Release mode

Smile - relief... etc

However, now I need to make a change to one of the existing web app
projects, so I open the aspx in question, and immediately get the following
error:

Error 3 C:\Documents and Settings\MarkRae\My Documents\Visual Studio
2005\Projects\xxxxxxxx\xxxxxxxx_app\Global.asax: ASP.NET runtime error:
There is no build provider registered for the extension ''. You can register
one in the <compilation><buildProviderssection in machine.config or
web.config. Make sure is has a BuildProviderAppliesToAttribute attribute
which includes the value 'Web' or 'All'. C:\Documents and
Settings\MarkRae\My Documents\Visual Studio
2005\Projects\xxxxxxxx\xxxxxxxx_app\Global.asax 1 1 xxxxxxxx_app

[Obviously, I've replaced the actual name of the solution and project with
xxxxxxxx because it's a very well-known company and I've signed an NDA
etc...]

The entire first line of the aspx file has the blue squiggly line underneath
it...
<%@ Application Codebehind="Global.asax.cs" Inherits="xxxxxxxx_app.Global"
Language="C#" %>

What is even stranger is that this shows up as an error, not a warning or a
message, but the app still compiles and runs...???

Anybody else experiencing this? Any ideas on what to do about it?

There is a mention of it on Scott Guthrie's blog as relates to the "old"
WAP, but no mention on what causes it or how to get rid of it...

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

The entire first line of the aspx file has the blue squiggly line underneath it...
<%@ Application Codebehind="Global.asax.cs" Inherits="xxxxxxxx_app.Global" Language="C#" %>

1. Where's the "codefile" property ???
2. Why are you using "codebehind" in an ASP.NET 2.0 global.asax ?

3. Why are you using Inherits="xxxxxxxx_app.Global" in an ASP.NET 2.0 app ?
Is your ASP.NET 2.0 app named "Global" ?

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/wa20t577.aspx

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"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message news:uw**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>http://msdn.microsoft.com:80/vstudio...1/default.aspx

Hmm - interesting...

1) Uninstalled "old" WAP.

2) Started installation of SP1

3) Went to the pub to watch the match

4) After installation of SP1, rebooted machine - it didn't ask me too, but this isn't my first
day... ;-)

5) Opened all my existing web application projects - all recompiled without error in both Debug
and Release mode

Smile - relief... etc

However, now I need to make a change to one of the existing web app projects, so I open the aspx
in question, and immediately get the following error:

Error 3 C:\Documents and Settings\MarkRae\My Documents\Visual Studio
2005\Projects\xxxxxxxx\xxxxxxxx_app\Global.asax: ASP.NET runtime error: There is no build provider
registered for the extension ''. You can register one in the <compilation><buildProviderssection
in machine.config or web.config. Make sure is has a BuildProviderAppliesToAttribute attribute
which includes the value 'Web' or 'All'. C:\Documents and Settings\MarkRae\My Documents\Visual
Studio 2005\Projects\xxxxxxxx\xxxxxxxx_app\Global.asax 1 1 xxxxxxxx_app

[Obviously, I've replaced the actual name of the solution and project with xxxxxxxx because it's a
very well-known company and I've signed an NDA etc...]

The entire first line of the aspx file has the blue squiggly line underneath it...
<%@ Application Codebehind="Global.asax.cs" Inherits="xxxxxxxx_app.Global" Language="C#" %>

What is even stranger is that this shows up as an error, not a warning or a message, but the app
still compiles and runs...???

Anybody else experiencing this? Any ideas on what to do about it?

There is a mention of it on Scott Guthrie's blog as relates to the "old" WAP, but no mention on
what causes it or how to get rid of it...

[Mark Rae]

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:uM**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>The entire first line of the aspx file has the blue squiggly line
underneath it...
<%@ Application Codebehind="Global.asax.cs"
Inherits="xxxxxxxx_app.Global" Language="C#" %>

1. Where's the "codefile" property ???

It's nowhere, obviously, because it's not needed here - where would you like
it to be...? This is a web application, not a web site...

2. Why are you using "codebehind" in an ASP.NET 2.0 global.asax ?

Why not?

3. Why are you using Inherits="xxxxxxxx_app.Global" in an ASP.NET 2.0 app
?

Why not?

Is your ASP.NET 2.0 app named "Global" ?

No of course it isn't - why would you think it is...?

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

It's nowhere, obviously, because it's not needed here

ASP.NET 2.0 has gone away from the code behind model
to the inline script model for its Global.asax pages.

Here's an alternate way to switch back to the global.asax codebehind model:

<%@ Application Language="C#" Inherits="Global" %>

Look, ma, no ' Codebehind="Global.asax.cs" ' !

The only other step is to write your code to a class file called Global.cs.

public partial class Global : System.Web.HttpApplication
void Application_Start(object sender, EventArgs e)
{
// Code that runs on application startup
}

etc...

You must move global.asax.cs to the App_Code directory, too.

Of course, you may use :

<%@ Application Codebehind="Global.asax.cs" Inherits="YourNamespace.Global" %>

( notice : "YourNamespace.Global", not "YourApplicationName.Global" )

....but why would you ? ( since it entails additional work... )
( and why would you use the alternate method I suggest ? )

I have changed over to the inline, default, no codebehind, model.

re:

- where would you like it to be...? This is a web application, not a web site...
Why not?
No of course it isn't - why would you think it is...?

If you change to the inline model for global.asax ( which is now the default in
ASP.NET 2.0) you won't have any of the problems you seem to be having.

Using the CodeBehind and Inherits attributes and putting the .cs file in App_Code does work.

There is not much of a benefit in doing so, though.
There's nothing you can do in global.asax codebehind which you can't do inline.

Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?


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"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
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>>The entire first line of the aspx file has the blue squiggly line underneath it...
<%@ Application Codebehind="Global.asax.cs" Inherits="xxxxxxxx_app.Global" Language="C#" %>

1. Where's the "codefile" property ???

It's nowhere, obviously, because it's not needed here - where would you like it to be...? This is
a web application, not a web site...

>2. Why are you using "codebehind" in an ASP.NET 2.0 global.asax ?

Why not?

>3. Why are you using Inherits="xxxxxxxx_app.Global" in an ASP.NET 2.0 app ?

Why not?

>Is your ASP.NET 2.0 app named "Global" ?

No of course it isn't - why would you think it is...?

[Mark Rae]

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
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re:

>It's nowhere, obviously, because it's not needed here

ASP.NET 2.0 has gone away from the code behind model
to the inline script model for its Global.asax pages.

1) Create a new web application project

2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer

3) Click Add, New Item

4) Select Global Application Class

5) Click Add

What do you get...?

Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?

So why doesn't one get created by default, or by adding a new Global
file...?

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

1) Create a new web application project
2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer
3) Click Add, New Item
4) Select Global Application Class
5) Click Add
What do you get...?

A global.asax *without* a codebehind file.
What do you get ?

re:

>Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?

So why doesn't one get created by default, or by adding a new Global file...?

Not all applications need a global.asax file.
Why add a global.asax file by default to applications which don't need it ?

To those that do need it, as determined by the developer,
one can be added although, as noted, it won't have a codebehind file.

The key, Mark, is that ASP.NET 2.0's (and, therefore VS 2005's)
default global.asax file does *not* use codebehind because you
can do anything inline, in a global.asax file, which you can do in
a global.asax codebehind file, so why go to the extra trouble ?

To top it all, if you use a codebehind file, which you can still do,
as the procedure I outlined proves, you will be compiling the code twice.

Once to compile global.asax.cs's codebehind and another time to merge
global.asax.cs's compilation with the compilation which global.asax will require anyway.

That seems more than a bit wasteful.


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"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message news:uX**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>re:

>>It's nowhere, obviously, because it's not needed here

ASP.NET 2.0 has gone away from the code behind model
to the inline script model for its Global.asax pages.

1) Create a new web application project

2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer

3) Click Add, New Item

4) Select Global Application Class

5) Click Add

What do you get...?

>Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?

So why doesn't one get created by default, or by adding a new Global file...?

[Mark Rae]

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2******************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

re:

>1) Create a new web application project
2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer
3) Click Add, New Item
4) Select Global Application Class
5) Click Add
What do you get...?

A global.asax *without* a codebehind file.
What do you get ?

A global.asax *with* a codebehind file...honest :-)

[=?Utf-8?B?UGV0ZXIgQnJvbWJlcmcgW0MjIE1WUF0=?=]

Guys,
I don't understand what this little diatribe is all about. I have no trouble
creating Global.asax with matching codebehind in the WAP model. That's the
way I prefer it.
And yes, not every project "needs" to have a Global class.
Peter

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"Mark Rae" wrote:

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
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re:

1) Create a new web application project
2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer
3) Click Add, New Item
4) Select Global Application Class
5) Click Add
What do you get...?

A global.asax *without* a codebehind file.
What do you get ?

A global.asax *with* a codebehind file...honest :-)

[Juan T. Llibre]

Peter,

do you think that, perhaps, my not using WAP makes a difference ?


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"Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]" <pb*******@yahoo.nospammin.comwrote in message
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Guys,
I don't understand what this little diatribe is all about. I have no trouble
creating Global.asax with matching codebehind in the WAP model. That's the
way I prefer it.
And yes, not every project "needs" to have a Global class.
Peter

"Mark Rae" wrote:

>"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2******************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl. ..

re:
1) Create a new web application project
2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer
3) Click Add, New Item
4) Select Global Application Class
5) Click Add
What do you get...?
A global.asax *without* a codebehind file.
What do you get ?

>A global.asax *with* a codebehind file...honest :-)

[Mark Rae]

"Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]" <pb*******@yahoo.nospammin.comwrote in message
news:F5**********************************@microsof t.com...

I don't understand what this little diatribe is all about. I have no
trouble
creating Global.asax with matching codebehind in the WAP model. That's the
way I prefer it.

Me too.

And yes, not every project "needs" to have a Global class.

Obviously.

[Mark Rae]

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

do you think that, perhaps, my not using WAP makes a difference ?

Ah - well of course it does!

*Now* I understand your "Where's the CodeFile...?" comment... :-)

[Juan T. Llibre]

Yup. It dawned on me that was the reason.

I don't know why Peter called our exchanges a "diatribe", though.

"Diatribe" means : "a thunderous verbal attack".
Neither of us was doing that, were we ?

;-)


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"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message news:uK*************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>do you think that, perhaps, my not using WAP makes a difference ?

Ah - well of course it does!

*Now* I understand your "Where's the CodeFile...?" comment... :-)

[=?Utf-8?B?UGV0ZXIgQnJvbWJlcmcgW0MjIE1WUF0=?=]

Just poking fun, Juan.
:-)
--
Co-founder, Eggheadcafe.com developer portal:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com
UnBlog:
http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com


"Juan T. Llibre" wrote:

re:

1) Create a new web application project
2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer
3) Click Add, New Item
4) Select Global Application Class
5) Click Add
What do you get...?

A global.asax *without* a codebehind file.
What do you get ?

re:

Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?

So why doesn't one get created by default, or by adding a new Global file...?

Not all applications need a global.asax file.
Why add a global.asax file by default to applications which don't need it ?

To those that do need it, as determined by the developer,
one can be added although, as noted, it won't have a codebehind file.

The key, Mark, is that ASP.NET 2.0's (and, therefore VS 2005's)
default global.asax file does *not* use codebehind because you
can do anything inline, in a global.asax file, which you can do in
a global.asax codebehind file, so why go to the extra trouble ?

To top it all, if you use a codebehind file, which you can still do,
as the procedure I outlined proves, you will be compiling the code twice.

Once to compile global.asax.cs's codebehind and another time to merge
global.asax.cs's compilation with the compilation which global.asax will require anyway.

That seems more than a bit wasteful.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

re:
It's nowhere, obviously, because it's not needed here

ASP.NET 2.0 has gone away from the code behind model
to the inline script model for its Global.asax pages.

1) Create a new web application project

2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer

3) Click Add, New Item

4) Select Global Application Class

5) Click Add

What do you get...?

Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?

So why doesn't one get created by default, or by adding a new Global file...?

[Mark Rae]

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:ur**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

Yup. It dawned on me that was the reason.

:-)

I don't know why Peter called our exchanges a "diatribe", though.

Me neither.

"Diatribe" means : "a thunderous verbal attack".
Neither of us was doing that, were we ?

I don't believe so...

Mr. Barnard: WHADDAYOU WANT?
Man: Well, I was told outside that...
Mr. Barnard: DON'T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT
DROPPINGS!
Man: What?
Mr. Barnard: SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE REALLY MAKES
ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS TOFFEE-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!
Man: Look, I came here for an argument! I'm not just going to stand
here...
Mr. Barnard: OH! Oh! I'm sorry! This is abuse!
Man: Oh I see! Well, that explains it...
Mr. Barnard: Aha! No, you want room 12A, just along the corridor.
Man: Oh...Thank you very much...Sorry...
Mr. Barnard: Not at all!
Man: Thank you. (Leaves)
Mr. Barnard: (under his breath) Stupid git.

[Juan T. Llibre]

I figured as much, Peter.

;-)

When two people go back as far as we do, it's easy
to figure out the intent in almost anything we write.

To others who don't know that, it might not be as easy.

That's why I sought an explanation : for their benefit.


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"Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]" <pb*******@yahoo.nospammin.comwrote in message
news:6A**********************************@microsof t.com...

Just poking fun, Juan.
:-)
--
Co-founder, Eggheadcafe.com developer portal:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com
UnBlog:
http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com

"Juan T. Llibre" wrote:

>re:

1) Create a new web application project
2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer
3) Click Add, New Item
4) Select Global Application Class
5) Click Add
What do you get...?

A global.asax *without* a codebehind file.
What do you get ?

re:

>Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?

So why doesn't one get created by default, or by adding a new Global file...?

Not all applications need a global.asax file.
Why add a global.asax file by default to applications which don't need it ?

To those that do need it, as determined by the developer,
one can be added although, as noted, it won't have a codebehind file.

The key, Mark, is that ASP.NET 2.0's (and, therefore VS 2005's)
default global.asax file does *not* use codebehind because you
can do anything inline, in a global.asax file, which you can do in
a global.asax codebehind file, so why go to the extra trouble ?

To top it all, if you use a codebehind file, which you can still do,
as the procedure I outlined proves, you will be compiling the code twice.

Once to compile global.asax.cs's codebehind and another time to merge
global.asax.cs's compilation with the compilation which global.asax will require anyway.

That seems more than a bit wasteful.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message
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"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
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re:
It's nowhere, obviously, because it's not needed here

ASP.NET 2.0 has gone away from the code behind model
to the inline script model for its Global.asax pages.

1) Create a new web application project

2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer

3) Click Add, New Item

4) Select Global Application Class

5) Click Add

What do you get...?

Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?

So why doesn't one get created by default, or by adding a new Global file...?

[clintonG]

My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours. It doesn't
like any applications to be open notably IE so you might as well play guitar
for awhile and keep an eye on the progress in case you have to intervene.

I still can't download any of the Expression Suite applications [1] and
msdn2.microsoft.com is still FUBAR.

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[1] http://www.microsoft.com/products/ex...n/default.mspx
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
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re:

>Didn't do it yet. Your word of caution (as well as others I read) made me
decide to wait until I find a good time.

I figure we're headed for there anyway, so I installed it right away.
No problem so far.


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"Laurent Bugnion" <ga*********@bluewin.chwrote in message
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>Hi,

Mark Rae wrote:

>>"Laurent Bugnion" <ga*********@bluewin.chwrote in message
news:O1**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

It took me 3 minutes to download the SP1.

And how long to install it...?

Didn't do it yet. Your word of caution (as well as others I read) made me
decide to wait until I find a good time.

Greetings,
Laurent
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[Mark Rae]

"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.comwro te in message
news:ul**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours.

24 hours!!!!!????? I'm impressed that you managed to install VS.NET 2005 on
a 286... ;-)

That can't be normal, surely...!

Has it hung, perhaps?

Is the progress bar actually moving at all...?

How much processor time / memory is it using...?

[clintonG]

I kid you not and its still gathering required information...noting over
that period of time the installer paused to tell me I had to close certain
applications and then retry after which the progress bar picks right back up
as expected. This installer likes nothing running. Not IE, not WinAmp and I
closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee which will probably cause a
conflict sooner or later itself.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message
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"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.comwro te in message
news:ul**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours.

24 hours!!!!!????? I'm impressed that you managed to install VS.NET 2005
on a 286... ;-)

That can't be normal, surely...!

Has it hung, perhaps?

Is the progress bar actually moving at all...?

How much processor time / memory is it using...?

[Mark Rae]

"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.comwro te in message
news:eh*************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

I kid you not and its still gathering required information...noting over
that period of time the installer paused to tell me I had to close certain
applications and then retry after which the progress bar picks right back
up as expected. This installer likes nothing running. Not IE, not WinAmp
and I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee which will probably
cause a conflict sooner or later itself.

Hmm - I never like advising people to kill a running process, especially a
software patch, but there's clearly something getting in its way...

Have you considered rebooting the machine, switching off everything bar the
bare essentials and then trying again...?

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee

I suspect that's the reason for the slow install.

If every time setup creates a new file McAfee has to scan it,
and since setup creates thousands of new files...

Have you tried stopping McAffee until setup finishes ?

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.comwro te in message
news:eh*************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>I kid you not and its still gathering required information...noting over that period of time the
installer paused to tell me I had to close certain applications and then retry after which the
progress bar picks right back up as expected. This installer likes nothing running. Not IE, not
WinAmp and I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee which will probably cause a conflict
sooner or later itself.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message news:uU**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.comwro te in message
news:ul**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours.

24 hours!!!!!????? I'm impressed that you managed to install VS.NET 2005 on a 286... ;-)

That can't be normal, surely...!

Has it hung, perhaps?

Is the progress bar actually moving at all...?

How much processor time / memory is it using...?

[clintonG]

My install has finally finished successfully. Disabling the current install
of McAfee is nearly impossible. The UI has turned into a POS and I am going
to write them about this as managing their software has become inaccessible
from the tasktray requiring several manual operations to disable and
re-enable services.

At breakfast this morning I was also thinking about the paging file which I
surmised the VSSP1 installer may be using. I haven't been able to get past
the Continue button to the download page for any of the Expression
applications so in my still unsuccessful attempts to troubleshoot I have
disabled paging on c:\ and relocated the paging file to a second disk set to
a fixed Custom Size. I just reset on to allow System managed size so I have
to go reboot now... :-)

<%= Clinton Gallagher
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:ex**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

re:

>I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee

I suspect that's the reason for the slow install.

If every time setup creates a new file McAfee has to scan it,
and since setup creates thousands of new files...

Have you tried stopping McAffee until setup finishes ?

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
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"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.comwro te in message
news:eh*************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>I kid you not and its still gathering required information...noting over
that period of time the installer paused to tell me I had to close certain
applications and then retry after which the progress bar picks right back
up as expected. This installer likes nothing running. Not IE, not WinAmp
and I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee which will probably
cause a conflict sooner or later itself.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message
news:uU**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.comwro te in
message news:ul**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours.

24 hours!!!!!????? I'm impressed that you managed to install VS.NET 2005
on a 286... ;-)

That can't be normal, surely...!

Has it hung, perhaps?

Is the progress bar actually moving at all...?

How much processor time / memory is it using...?

[Michael D. Ober]

I have installed it on three systems - one W2K SP4, and two XP SP2. On the
W2K and one of the XP boxes, it took about 4 hours. On the other XP box, it
took about 30 minutes. All have VS 2005 Standard. The only thing that was
really different was that the 30 minute install didn't have _ANY_ MS Office
applications started (not running, but simply started and closed). Once
again MS is doing too much integration of applications with the OS.

Mike Ober.

"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.comwro te in message
news:uf**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

My install has finally finished successfully. Disabling the current
install of McAfee is nearly impossible. The UI has turned into a POS and I
am going to write them about this as managing their software has become
inaccessible from the tasktray requiring several manual operations to
disable and re-enable services.

At breakfast this morning I was also thinking about the paging file which
I surmised the VSSP1 installer may be using. I haven't been able to get
past the Continue button to the download page for any of the Expression
applications so in my still unsuccessful attempts to troubleshoot I have
disabled paging on c:\ and relocated the paging file to a second disk set
to a fixed Custom Size. I just reset on to allow System managed size so I
have to go reboot now... :-)

<%= Clinton Gallagher
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:ex**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>re:

>>I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee

I suspect that's the reason for the slow install.

If every time setup creates a new file McAfee has to scan it,
and since setup creates thousands of new files...

Have you tried stopping McAffee until setup finishes ?

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
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"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.comwro te in
message news:eh*************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>I kid you not and its still gathering required information...noting over
that period of time the installer paused to tell me I had to close
certain applications and then retry after which the progress bar picks
right back up as expected. This installer likes nothing running. Not IE,
not WinAmp and I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee which will
probably cause a conflict sooner or later itself.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message
news:uU**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.comwro te in
message news:ul**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours.

24 hours!!!!!????? I'm impressed that you managed to install VS.NET
2005 on a 286... ;-)

That can't be normal, surely...!

Has it hung, perhaps?

Is the progress bar actually moving at all...?

How much processor time / memory is it using...?